Yet another Hillary camp implosion - Rendell calling for Penn to be fired

[ericgtr]

Gotta love how the plot thickens by the day. This campaign is starting to make the Bush administration look good.

Edit: Link http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/06/rendell-criticizes-penn-hints-he-should-be-fired/

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Oh shit! Really? LOL. Got a link?

This is hilarious if true.

[NEDem]

2. link from cnn

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/06/rendell-criticizes-penn-hints-he-should-be-fired/


this is hilarious. Or might that be Hillary-ous

[ericgtr]

9. Thanks for the link I had it copied but forgot to paste

:)

[JayFredMuggs]

3. Did he do that, really?

I hope Hillary comes up with some ZINGERS this week, she's a couple weeks behind in the "truth in campaigning" race.

Maybe she can explain how Mark Penn was AGAINST the Columbia deal before he was working for them?

[Whisp]

33. they are now called TUZLAS! not Zingers! ;)

[Cha]

53. hilary's got a Tuzla of a

nerve lying that she spoke out against the War On Iraq before Obama did.

"HILLARY: NO REGRET ON IRAQ VOTE

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

April has become the deadliest month for U.S. forces in Iraq since the war began more than a year ago. The U.S.-led coalition faces insurrections on several fronts, including the Sunni Muslim stronghold of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, and the militia of a Shiite Muslim cleric in Najaf in the south.

To the disappointment of some antiwar liberals in her Democratic base, Clinton, the former first lady, voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

55. "Non, je ne regrette rien..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFRuLFR91e4

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9eH0nmy0og

[FrenchieCat]

4. Perfect timing! I don't think that the Clinton camp can afford Penn anymore,

in more than one way.

[tammywammy]

5. link?

[Forkboy]

6. Rats on sinking ships tend to squabble.

[Catherina]

7. Rendell is calling for it now?

And Colombia fired Penn recently?

The HRC show gets funnier by the minute.

[hisownpetard]

18. And people wonder how Hillary can talk out of both sides of her mouth?

Looks like Mark Penn does it full-time and charges through the teeth for his services, to boot.
Maybe he should spend less time being a money-grubbing glutton and more time
shopping for a decent wig.:hi:

[Catherina]

32. I gave up wondering how she does it. I think it's her own peculiar gift

He wears a wig? How vain :rofl:

[hisownpetard]

60. He doesn't, but he should. He's got one confused comb-over going on there...

[dkf]

8. Ooh, nice!

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[JayFredMuggs]

10. Mark Penn: Symbol of the HIGH PAID Hillary consultant..who is

totally worthless, and should refund every penny he was paid... so as to give Hillary a fighting chance.

[WillyT]

11. Reported Here Too:

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/06/governor-ed-rendell-hints_n_95292.html

:shrug:

[Faygo Kid]

12. Here's a photo of Penn and Rendell at a recent strategy meeting while Hillary looks on.

[WillyT]

21. LOL !!! - Good One !!!

:bounce:

[Bicoastal]

23. OH! Professor Firefly!

[lisa58]

24. I looooooove the Marx Brothers!

[quantass]

51. Who are the marx brothers

[TTUBatfan2008]

13. That is funny...

but it sounds to me like most of the people in the campaign have been fed up with Penn for quite a while. Lots of "fuck you" exchanges going on between the top advisers in the campaign, and Penn has almost always been at the center of every fight. They now have a pretty good reason to fire his ass, and besides that, as already pointed out in this thread, Penn is an expensive consultant.

[ericgtr]

19. So what does this say about her ability to surround herself with competent staff?

People can rip Obama up and down all they want but that man has run a very clean and efficient campaign and his staff has been fantastic.

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[0007]

14. I watched it this morning. I'll say one thing about Rendell, he danced

the time of his life with Tim Russert. Tim had a hard time pinning down the clever politician, but did get him so mixed up he couldn't keep his thoughts or tongue working together.

I had a mental picture in my mind of the Clinton throwing up on each other at the same time.

It was a gas to watch.

[lisa58]

29. I'll have to watch to replay

[americanstranger]

15. Scapegoat, emerging.

I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve the brunt of the criticism for how badly the Clinton campaign has been run.

But by the time Hillary folds the tent, Mark Penn will be the one and only reason she failed - absolving her for her own screwups and leaving her with a blank slate for 2012.

- as

[C_U_L8R]

45. We should laugh to see such sport.

Scapegoating an accomplished PR guy may not have the result Hillary requires.
At a certain point, Peen will go into survival mode and turn on his master.
That's when this thing really starts to get interesting.

[Major Hogwash]

16. They need to sink Penn quick.

His other job for Columbia was obviously a conflict of interest for him.

They need to depth charge this guy - fast.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

17. Every time I see that photo of Penn, I think of that Blue Boy painting.

[hisownpetard]

25. Maybe, if you add 5 chins and a wrap-around fatty apron any chef would be proud of.

[book_worm]

42. except that blue boy is innocent looking and somewhat good looking

and Penn, to me, always looks like he needs a bath and is trying to surpress a fart.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. Penn tends to project an air of boyish privileged arrogance. But, that's JMO.

[sniffa]

20. Odd, he didn't say that on MTP today

[bunnies]

22. I was just going to say that.

What was it he said? Something like... Thats for the Campaign to deal with. huh. Guess he's had a change of heart.

heh. On edit: They're talking about the MTP interview. Funny. Thats not how I heard it.

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[bunnies]

37. We do agree.

That deserves a toast. :toast:

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[ericgtr]

35. That is what's happening in her campaign

If you don't like it then turn a blind eye to this as well as all of her other gaffes too.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. I saw that show. And no where did he call for him to be fired.

[JayFredMuggs]

31. So you WANT him to stay on with Hillary's campaign? Are you

trying to make Hillary lose?

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. Did you even read my post?

and I suppose when Obama's staff visited Canada to minimize his NAFTA stance, you called for his resignation too?

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[BlueIdaho]

30. And under the bus he goes!

But not before leaving his stain on the campaign and hey, he got his payday so what the fuck?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

34. excerpt from article link

Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell didn't exactly give the longtime Clinton pollster a vote of confidence.

Asked directly if the campaign should cut ties with Penn, Rendell said, "Well there are a lot of issues in which you can raise that question."

"Yeah, I think you've got to make it very clear for someone who is a consultant, who you are representing and who you are not representing and I would hope that Mr. Penn when he talked to the Colombians made that clear," Rendell also said. "And it doesn't sound to me like he did and that's something the campaign should take into question."

[jenmito]

38. I really hope they DON'T fire Penn! He's a great example of what's wrong with the Hillary campaign!

:D

[Adelante]

39. The headline is a big stretch related to the text

But probably 99.9% of the Clinton campaign do want Penn fired.

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[otohara]

43. Big Fat A Flip Flopper - Don't Trust Him

he says one thing one day, month later what ever it takes to get Sen. Clinton nomination.

[Peace Patriot]

46. Your subject line is wrong. Rendell did NOT call for Penn to be fired.

He shoulda. But he didn't. He waffles all around the subject, and sort hints that it maybe oughta be a question or something.

Here's my analysis of his remarks. On the basis of his use of the English language alone, I would guess that he is as corrupt as they come--and, at the least, highly conflicted on this issue (Mark Penn) and trying to position himself to advantage vis a vis a raucous, bloody backroom fight.

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[rainbow4321]

47. Ahem....

[quantass]

49. OMG Hilary is FINISHED!

[Cha]

50. eddie rendell could do

it sooooooo much better.

[tekisui]

52. They have got to can Penn.

No way around it. They may not gain much by losing him, but they lose much each day they keep him on, and keep this story going.

[phrigndumass]

54. Just once, I'd like to see Mark Penn talking to reporters in a wind storm

That bad comb-over coming from his ear hairs would go flying!

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[quantass]

56. Morning news has yet another talking point

[Life Long Dem]

57. No wonder Bush has been all smiles. He enjoys this as much as we do!

:popcorn: :applause:

[Bigleaf]

58. Let's be honest. Does it really matter anymore? It's over. Too late. Why bother now?

[tekisui]

62. I think they feel the same way at Camp Hillary.

[Colobo]

59. Turmoil in the Clinton camp? Great!

[tabasco]

61. Hillary hired a corrupt moron to run her campaign.

Just think what a lousy Cabinet she would pick.

Heckuva Job Cabinet.

[pdxmom]

63. Rendell may not have outright called for Penn's firing, but he certainly

hinted that the Clinton campaign needs to rethink keeping him on. And if Clinton doesn't toss Penn out with the trash, she is not better than Bush keeping Rummy around, when everyone around him wanted Rummy gone and it was obvious he was incompetent.

I don't want anyone else in the WH that holds onto incompetents out of some kind of misplaced loyalty that does harm.

[samsingh]

64. kick