Seriously? Hillary gets a pass for her performance in Memphis?

[me b zola]

I about choked when I got home from work, turned on the news, and saw Senator Clinton giving an unconvincing performance supposed to convey her support for Rev/Dr Martin Luther King Jr. in Memphis. Wow.

No one is going to call her out for her brazen hypocrisy? Please don't tell me that she is so ignorant to believe the sanitized version of Rev King, because she stood there and recounted her memories of the day of King's assassination as though she understood the man. Yet Senator Clinton, and some of her supporters have committed character assassination of Senator Obama for attending a church which seems to have preached Rev King's message.

We should be screaming from the top of our lungs.

[RBInMaine]

1. Not that I want to dump on it too much, but it did seem somewhat contrived, and the choking up?

Give us a break.

[hisownpetard]

34. It was an embarassingly self-conscious display. I've noticed that whenever she's saying something

that been rehearsed to death, she has the same facial mannerism - she sort of purses her lips, raises her eyebrows slightly
and sticks her chin forward - which she does to mark time. In other words, it's like she's reading sheet music and sees a "rest"
where she has to pause for a beat, and that's what she does to fill in the time.

She does it every time she comes out with something that someone's written for her, like the good student who's rehearsed her lines till there's
not a shred of sincerity left, if there ever was to begin with.

[me b zola]

44. I know, makes me want to play poker with her

Can't help but wonder how many of that 100+ million $$ that I couldn't relieve her of. }(

[Voice for Peace]

55. LOL winner! But she reminds me of that actress who does the mattress commercials.

Lindsay somebody. Maybe she is the acting coach.

[AZBlue]

64. HA! So true!!

It's hard to cover your body language - it usually gives a person away. But, she's one of the worst at covering it.

[emilyg]

2. At least she managed to find time to go.

[AX10]

4. True.

[anigbrowl]

10. I much preferred what Obama had to say about it.

He honored both King and Robert Kennedy with his speech. I am not that big on superficial formalities, although I realize most people look at things that way.

[me b zola]

40. From the little bit that I've been able to hear of it, it was apropos

...and just what the Dr ordered.

We need to move forward and heal, but we cannot do that beginning from a premise of falseness as Senator Clinton has done. As the Create a More Perfect Union Speech has instructed, first we must get honest, begin from an honest place.

[goclark]

11. It was very nice that she went

I would have preferred that she led by example and allowed the "content of her character" to be more civil during this campaign.

[me b zola]

21. Yes.

But she really can't have it both ways, unless she apologizes for her and her supporters behavior regarding what they have put Senator Obama through. Straight talk on who Rev King was, and the message that he preached would have went a long way to not only honor Dr King, but to make this a non-issue for the GE. She didn't attempt to make things right.

[Cha]

32. May it come back to bite her in her

hypocritical ass then.

[emilyg]

51. What hate from you - on this day.

[me b zola]

57. Could you address the issue rather than attack zidzi?

:shrug:

[stillcool]

66. what is hateful about..

acknowledging a fake performance for political gain?

[PoliticalAmazon]

99. ITA. For the Clintons to race bait and then for HRC to do her boo-hoo act...

...is blazingly hypocritical, as is her joking with Leno about sniper fire (MLK was killed by sniper fire) the night before MLK death anniversary.

[bellasgrams]

46. Hillary and her supporters have not put BO through anything.

If anyone should apologize it should be BO for his incessant lying. She said nothing about King that needs too be set straight. She said nothing at all to demean the man. There is nothing to make right. Why do you twist everything. St BO is not a real saint and he leads you into darkness.

[me b zola]

61. Follow the bouncy ball...

Hillary smears a Senator for the church he attends for 3 sermons that were performed over the course of a 30+ year career.

The church that Hillary smeared preached the same message as Rev King.

40th anniversary of assassination of Rev King, Hillary shows up all weepy-eyed in an unconvincing performance singing the praises of Rev King.


Is the bell ringing yet? Hello?

[stillcool]

65. I guess it depends on who you are..

and how you look at history. If you are someone who believes that LBJ came along and the skies opened, the sea parted and celestial angels sang "Civil Rights Act", than you might not have any problem with the role Hillary Clinton appointed Martin Luther King Jr. If you however are more in tune to the long struggle of civil rights, and the man who became the leader, organizing and mobilizing different people to demand equal rights...well you might think that Martin Luther King Jr. had a tad more to do with getting the Civil Rights Act passed. I am sick to death of people asserting that Senator Obama is a saint. Is it too much to acknowledge that he is a man?

[Ronnie]

69. You're babbling.

And you don't seem to know much history. Martin Luther King Jr. was not in a position to pass anything. He had a different role. LBJ and MLK worked together. Get a clue. And BTW, Rev. King is a hero to all Americans, not just a certain group of Americans. Both Hillary Clinton and John McCain had a right to be there. And Barack Obama had a right to be elsewhere.

[me b zola]

70. No, you are babbling...and misinformed (I hope that is why you are spreading this)

King was not a hero to all Americans in his day, while he was still alive. King was reviled in the press and among "mainstream" whites. Please, have at least a nominal understanding of what you are speaking about before you post, especially about something as important as this.

[earthlover]

77. Clinton distinctly said it took a president to get the Civil Rights Act passed not MLK's speeches

I suppose Hillary was trying to get the point across that it takes more than speeches to get something done. But she could have used another example. She said this in the leadup to the SC primary and within days of Martin Luther King's birthday. Really poor timing!

Another irony is that Martin Luther King Jr had come to denounce Vietnam because, among other reasons, all of the money spent on Vietnam was drying up funds to help the poor. As we see the trillions of projected dollars spent on Iraq....the war Hillary supported through her vote.....I am sure Martin Luther King would be asking how much money could be spent on the poor that we have spent on Iraq!

[roguevalley]

96. Hillary made her remarks sound like LBJ was the leader and hero

of the whole effort. MLK was just some little pebble in everyone's shoe. LBJ took guts to do the law but it would not have been necessary without the selfless and dangerous actions of MLK and others. They died to free us all. She should have made that more clear and she didn't. I was offended by her phrasing and she sounded awful.

[stillcool]

84. He may be a 'hero' to Americans..

now, but that has taken years, just think of when Martin Luther King day was first enacted. It is your perception of history that is faulty. Now if you think that the Civil Rights Act would have been passed at that time without the leadership and organizational skills of Martin Luther King Jr...well then get a clue yourself. Who said anything about who was entitled to be in Memphis today?

[roguevalley]

94. without the efforts of MLK and others, LBJ would not have had to

work out the civil rights act. It would not have been an issue. Without MLK, we would have Jim Crow to this day in some parts of America. And, I was around then. I remember.

[Emit]

87. he leads you into darkness?

[roguevalley]

92. she has a campaign asshole going around to the SD spewing

about how unelectable Barack Obama is because of Wright. She doesn't say how electable she is. She smears him. This they admitted to. That is demeaning unless you have another meaning for the word. And for the part about leading into darkness, you need professional help. Hillary already has us there. without her vote with the others, we would not be in Iraq. Spin that. Oh, and personal attacks won't change the facts. She is a piece of work. Bosnia. That can't be assuaged. Ever.

[juajen]

78. Do you get paid for that bullshit?

NT

[me b zola]

85. My, I think I hit a nerve with the Clinton camp

But what ever discomfort you and/or Clinton's camp may be feeling over this obvious hypocrisy by Hillary is nothing compared to what I feel for what she has done in order to deserve her discomfort.

I have not heard one, not one response to this OP. I would say that Hillary should feel ashamed, but a) I don't won't to sound like a cliche', and b) I realize that Hillary and her camp are beyond shame.



ps, I'm listening to Louie Armstrong's "Someday You'll Be Sorry". There is no joy in this sentiment, just melancholy. Just like when Hillary sings her swan song.




on edit, removed the word, "it".

[bellasgrams]

42. Hillary has been civil considering the way BO has attacked her.

Don't try to deny it. It's on video day after day.

[earthlover]

73. Then if it has been day after day, you can provide us with a link?

I hate this made up shit. Really stinks.

By the way...Hillary Fantasy Groupie Geraldine Ferrarro said that the only reason Obama was doing well was that he was lucky to be born black. A racist sentiment if ever there was one! So, if obama has been day after day been doing so much....can you give even ONE EXAMPLE of Obama attacking Clinton with such ferocity and racism as Ferrarro?

[me b zola]

16. That's not even an argument

So she showed up to be a hypocrite? After she defiled another US Senator with smears, besmirching his church which shares the same message as Rev King? That doesn't get brownie points from me. What it gets from me is disdain.

[juajen]

83. Give me a break. She didn't besmirch any church or Sen. Obama.

She said "He would not be my pastor." which was an answer to a question, which she answered succinctly. Additionally, Martin Luther King never would have said what Wright said, nor would he have said it in that manner. I know. I lived the fifties and sixties in Birmingham, Alabama and listened to him speak nightly for months at a time. His was a non-violent approach that certainly got his message across. He would never have said "God Damn America", and you know it.

[me b zola]

91. She most certainly crassly besmirched Obama and his church

"He would not have been my pastor". For what, statements that well could have come from King? That is the entire point of my thread.

Here ya go. You want things spoon fed to you:


Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-04-08 08:09 PM
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Heard on NPR: "He worked on his next sermon, titled 'Why America May Go to Hell.'"

I was listening to NPR in my car today, and Michele Norris, host of "All Things Considered," was recounting some of the things that Martin Luther King, Jr., did on the day he was murdered, exactly 40 years ago today. I did a double-take when she said this:

"He worked on his next sermon, titled 'Why America May Go to Hell.'"

Inflammatory? Yes. Anti-American? You decide. But it immediately reminded me of Jeremiah Wright preaching "God Damn America." Just goes to show that you can't form a complete picture of someone based on a few isolated quotes. What would you think of MLK if all you knew about him was that he once wrote a sermon called "Why America May Go to Hell"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5390482




edited to add an 's'

[roguevalley]

100. Oh for godsake. She has. She has a man smearing him with

Wright to the SD. That was admitted. She also has a fascist asshole for her own pastor and study group. MLK would have railed against that. Wright's remarks about "God damn America" are biblical. Read the prophets. They damned Israel for not following the path of justice and humility. they 'God damned' Israel for not being just and for worshipping war and greed. Wright's words ARE biblical. MLK WOULD have understood them.

Anyone who says that Wright's comment is not biblical doesn't know the Bible. Read the prophets and you will find his words there. Read Isaiah and Deuteronomy and you will find them there. It IS biblical and MLK would have said it. He was going towards economic and social justice and it would have been not only Biblical but just to do so. So what if people are offended? Wright spoke out about injustice, war, economic slavery and racism. What in the living hell is wrong with that? If you don't like his words, don't like them for the right reasons but don't say they aren't Biblical and have a HUGE LONG HISTORY in this world. Don't say that MLK wouldn't have understood his point. He would have and would have agreed with it. Perhaps he would have been more eloquent but he would have agreed with the point of his words. The prophets said them. Wright said them. Spin that. (Analyse what they mean and Jesus said them.)

EDIT: what Wright is truly saying is God will damn America for what she has done and stands for now. If history is any tip off to the future, he is probably right unless we change things right away.

[not_too_L8]

20. Do you have to be in Memphis to honor Dr. King?

He honored him in a speech in Indiana

a snip of that speech

"I spoke at Dr. King's church on his birthday. I was with the King family then. I obviously gave a fairly fulsome speech on the state of race relations just two weeks ago. And I think it's important to spread the message that Dr. King's work is unfinished in places like Indiana and North Dakota," he said.

Which other candidate took the time to honor him on King's birthday

[RBInMaine]

23. He gave a great Indianapolis speech, called the family, and will speak again on it.

[0007]

28. It was a geat wholesome speech. Better than the other two senators.

[goclark]

3. I am numb from watching her Bettie Davis

performances.

She reminds me of a self absorbed friend that I can only handle for a few minutes.

[maryallen]

12. I was going to say Katherine Hepburn ...

But Bettie Davis works, too.

Only thing is, they could really act; Hillary can't.

[goclark]

24. Good point ~ HC watched their movies

and keeps thinking she is giving Oscar performances.

[tabasco]

17. Bettie Davis!? Like hell! B-movie actress at best!

Leave Bette out of this.

[TexasObserver]

18. She's got Bette Davis' eyes ... from Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte!

Sea bass eyes!!

Totally unreal performance. Who has to consult their notes to make sure they use the right lines, when "remembering?" Phony.

[Erin Elizabeth]

30. This place is a DUMP!

Starring Hillary Clinton and Angelina Jolie.

[Az]

5. The story the media wants to pitch

Seems to be the Dems in a deadlock. If one or the other candidate gets the upper hand all the graphics and stories they have planned for the "epic" struggle between them will be for naught. Simply put there is more money to be made with the Dems struggling to decide between two historic candidates.

[Cha]

36. Correct and as always ..

"IT'S THE MEDIA STUPID"

[againes654]

6. McCain was equally bad. eom

[me b zola]

13. Yes, and he was rightfully booed.

Hypocrisy should be called out, particularly when it is of such a large and disturbing kind.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

19. Absolutely agree.

A total hypocrite fawning for votes. Absolutely sickening.

[Erin Elizabeth]

35. AND he's eleventy eight years old.

[dkf]

7. She looks so fake I can't stand it.

I often wonder if she watches her appearances.

[lligrd]

8. You Mean She Read Them And Feigned Emotion To Attempt

to fit the words.

Script:
Looking Sad: 'I remember going to my dorm room and throwing down my book bag'
Shake head sadly:

[me b zola]

25. Yes! Those freaking (false) words & pseudo emotions

But as bad as that performance was, I could probably have been able to deal with it had it not been for what she did, and continues to do, to Senator Obama over a preacher who shares the same views as Rev King.

Rank depravity. That sums it up.

:argh:

[hisownpetard]

37. Exactly what I thought. Embarrassing to watch.

[Sparkly]

9. Apparently not!

She's not getting a "pass" at all.

And don't miss the discussions of whether or not college students used book bags in 1968 -- scintillating.

[Mooney]

14. I don't even listen to her or watch her any more.

She lost me months ago. I would probably have been completely enraged by this, but I officially don't have the energy to listen to her shit any more. I'm just waiting patiently for her to drop out, whether that happens tomorrow or in August. Until then, she's just making noise as far as I'm concerned, and she doesn't deserve ten seconds of my attention when she stinks up my TV.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Quick! Get the word out via PM!

There's still time.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. LOL Here you go. Gluck.

[me b zola]

33. Please don't let paranoia take hold

I rarely pm. What I chose to do was write a post--w/o PMing anybody. I wish that I were a better writer, there is much more bottled up that I would like to express. This, imo, is a subject that should be discussed at greater length.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Crocodile Tears.

Literally.

O devil, devil!
If that the earth could teem with woman's tears,
Each drop she falls would prove a crocodile.
Out of my sight!

[scheming daemons]

27. It was a cringe-worthy speech by her.....

...

[hisownpetard]

39. "cringe-worthy." Yup!

[Erin Elizabeth]

29. Yeah, my husband can beat her story

of throwing her book bag. He was LITERALLY bawling and squawling.

(He was born that day.)

:)

[truebrit71]

31. ..again with the fake choking up bullshit...I am so tired of her phony act....

....she needs to fuck off back to where the other rich white folk live and stop pretending she even REMOTELY understands what it's like for the vast majority of us...

[rodeodance]

38. who the f** k do you think you are--the whole of you to dump on her like you

are doing.

Disgusting.

[me b zola]

43. Who does she think that she is...

...and who do you think that you are to commit character assassination on the Democratic front runner for the Democratic nomination to the presidency for the church that he belongs to which preached the same message as Rev King preached?

I have yet to see any type of response to the OP. Rodeodance, I have been patient with you, seeing you as a good Democrat that I am simply not agreeing with during this primary even though you have crossed many a line. I only ask that you consider the premise of the OP.

[emilyg]

53. They are the supporters of false hope and change.

[me b zola]

67. What does that even mean?

Geez, do you have anything of substance to say about the OP?

[bellasgrams]

41. What I've heard Wright (and I refuse to call him a Rev) say is

nothing like King. How do you people get things so twisted up? MLK didn't 'hate' America, he knew things were wrong and tried to right them. He was passionate but not hateful. What Wright preaches IS hate. Hate of America and the white race. I'm sure there were times when King felt hate toward some people, but I do not believe he 'hated' anyone. Many of us had a lot of respect for him, though at that time there were a lot of stories, and I was pretty young and you had to sort through them to determine what you yourself believed. I thought there was grave injustice and felt it had to be corrected. But don't expect me to transfer my respect for MLK to the likes of BO. There is no comparison. MLK would not lower himself to BO's standards.

[immoderate]

45. Sounds like you haven't heard much of Rev Wright.

Only the sound bites the media feeds you, right? Try taking his remarks in context.

I bet you didn't "get" Malcolm either.

--IMM

[emilyg]

54. I heard too much. Disgusting hate.

[immoderate]

60. Yeah, that's how they treated MLK, too.

Pull yourself together. Do you really think that Wright could preach for thirty years, with the esteem of his colleagues, and three presidential commendations, if he did as you think?

Maybe the disgusting hate was not a reference to him.

--IMM

[BlooInBloo]

93. He's a scary angry black man. It scares white people. OOGA BOOGA!!!

[me b zola]

52. Rev King was hated by the media and mainstream society--in his day

...much the same way in which Rev Wright has been, is being mis-charatorized. "America may go to hell...". Rev King was constantly called a communist who was being supported by communist money with the intention of overthrowing the US government. Sound familiar?

Twisted up? No, just not accepting revisionist history. I honor Dr King, I hope you honor Dr King too.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

56. Kinda like that Yeshua Bin Yusef guy, huh, bellasgram?

:rofl:

[me b zola]

58. You are making my point for me.

Isn't that the same type of attack that they used against King?

According to the mainstream media of the day, King was a communist, taking money from people who wanted to overthrow the US government. Of course nothing could have been further from the truth, but it suited the needs of those who wanted to derail King's efforts to transform the US to a more just nation.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. Not at all.

I was merely teasing bellasgram for not realizing that a "terrorist" in another OP was actually Jesus Christ.

[me b zola]

62. My apologies...

I incorrectly assumed that you were attempting to link Obama with, well, you know the type of shite that we have seen. Well, you know what that makes me...

:hi:

[stillcool]

68. Your standards? Is that what..

Senator Obama has been lowered to? How many of Martin Luther King's 'complete' sermons have you read or heard? How many of Reverend Wrights 'complete' sermons have you read or heard? The only one I see using the word hate is you. Condemnation prior to Investigation is a crime in itself.

[TTUBatfan2008]

97. MLK was labeled anti-American...

for speaking out against the Vietnam war, treatment of black soldiers, and for speaking out against economic injustice by saying that God would take away America's power if we continued such injustice. He even used a quote from the Bible in which God damned a nation to hell for such behavior. Reminds me quite a bit of Wright. The thing is, Wright was 40 years too late to be saying that kind of stuff.

[stillrockin]

47. I saw her performance.

It was over-rehearsed, contrived, unconvincing, and an embarrassment. Her phoniness is painfully apparent to all who care to see.

[thoughtcrime1984]

48. Her choking up will win her more votes in Pennsylvania.

At least, that's what she is banking on. *sniffle*

[FightingIrish]

49. I got all choked up too. No, I just gagged.

[FrenchieCat]

50. Meryl Streep, she ain't!

But you know, as long as everyone who saw it knows what was up, it doesn't help her....and everyone knows what was up, cause it was pretty glaring!

[stillcool]

63. So concerned...

with herself. You'd think it was Hillary Clinton's Day of Remembrance.

[DemGa]

71. Wow, you people really do enjoy the Hillary bashing -- nt

[Mooney]

74. It's fun as shit.

I try to work it into every conversation.

[me b zola]

82. Would you like to discuss the OP?

Obama attended a church that apparently preached the same message as King. Clinton and some of her supporters smeared Obama and his church for their message. On the 40th anniversary of King's assassination Clinton runs down to Memphis and makes a bunch of words and fake emotions intended to embrace King and his message.

This, to me, spits on the very message of Rev King, and at the very least is depraved hypocrisy. Please, tell me that I am seeing this all wrong. The silly response that you have posted is tired and ineffective, I would like something of substance. I would like to discover that I am wrong.

[DemGa]

86. "smeared Obama and his church for their message"?

But Obama himself disagrees with the message, so that argument falls apart.

"Had the reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying there at the church," the senator said.

Now you say Hillary is "fake" but you have no proof -- only your opinion. You've formed a conclusion based on supposition -- this is in part your error.

[me b zola]

88. No, no it doesn't, and you haven't addressed the OP

Obama acknowledged that people were offended by Wright's words. You fail to acknowledge that even more people at the time were offended by King's words. You, like so many want to sanitize King to make him palatable to your sensibilities.

Obama has said that what was wrong with the statements of Wright's statements is that they are said as though nothing has changed since the civil rights era of King. Obama said nothing to denounce the words of King...do you?

[Stephanie]

72. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

Hate when that happens.

[milkyway]

75. Call me crazy, but..."bookbag"? Is that what they were called and used for in

1968? I thought they were called backpacks and were used for hiking.

Sorry, but I've been out of touch with what's happened today and I only saw a clip of Clinton's speech. She said that when she heard the news about MLK she hurled her bookbag against the wall (paraphrasing). The word bookbag stood out to me because my kids and their generation carry their schoolbooks around in them, but I don't remember anybody in the 60's or 70's carrying schoolbooks in them. They were called backpacks and not used to tote schoolbooks by most kids.

This is the kind of detail that fleshes out a story, but it seemed odd to me. Just sayin'.

btw, I went to Clinton's website to find the actual text of the speech, but my eyes were blinded by the three large CONTRIBUTE buttons on the front page of the site, so I got out of there before I suffered any permanent damage. And why does someone that hauled in $109 million need to beg so loudly for money all the time? I don't remember Romney crassly hitting up his supporters for money (but then again, I barely remember Romney).

[Butch350]

76. She Went On...

...and on, and on, and on - she sounded so disengenious.

[acrosstheuniverse]

79. I don't know if anyone noticed this...

She kept going on with a theme of "no matter what people or the media tell you, NEVER give up, never let them put you down or convince you to QUIT" - then kept glancing at the camera as if to go wink* wink* ". She kept subliminally doing this several times.

She was basically comparing HER own campaign with Dr. King without it being too obvious and exploited it as much as she could. Sickening.

[Life Long Dem]

80. No, they would rather call out Obama for his transparency for not releasing his 2007 tax returns!

So what do we have?
We have Fox News wanting Hillary to win. We have Rush wanting her to win. And then there is CNN and MSNBC giving her a free ride. Now, is there any difference in Bush with those groups? Now, is there any real backing for McSame from the repubs? Now, who do you think would win against McSame? That's right, anyone should win against McSame and Obama has this lead as well. So after what we have been through with Bush why would anybody vote for the same?

We are not going to have this again with Hillary or McSame, and we need to all tell them this election day.

[OzarkDem]

81. What would MLK say about all the hate in this thread?

Would he approve of the way you're ruthlessly and unfairly attacking Clinton?

[FrenchieCat]

89. He would approve of telling truth to the status quo......tell the truth, and they'll think its hate!

Typical! cause that is exactly what King was all about; telling truth to power.
But I'm sure that escapes you; what Dr. King was truly about, hasn't it?

[me b zola]

90. Please address the merits of the OP

Hillary and some of her supporters (look in the mirror) have viciously attacked & slandered a sitting US Senator and Democratic front runner for the nomination for president for the church that he attended.

The church in question preached from the same philosophy as Rev King, even "the most objectionable" sermons.

On the 40th anniversary of Rev King's assassination, Hillary goes to Memphis and gives a performance meant to convey respect for Rev King and his life's work.

So which is it? Did Hillary admire the work of Obama's church, but slime it for political reasons, or was she using/sullying the memory of Rev King to make political points? It is a mutually exclusive answer.



Attacking Clinton? Yes, in this case I am because today's performance was disgusting & beyond the pale. Please, show me where/how my reasoning is wrong.

[bigtree]

95. merits? You hate Clinton. How boring.

I'm not going to give you a bit of credit for the hate and divisiveness you're promoting here.

[rodeodance]

98. The OP is nothing but a childish RW Rovian type smear job on a DEMOCRAT!!

[merh]

101. LOL - Rovian?

You mean the tactic used by the same fellow that endorses Hillary over Obama?

:rofl:


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/04/karl-rove-gq-barack-obama-hillary-clinton.php


You do need to grow up and try to address the issues raised by the OP and stop with the name calling. As this thing drags on, all the evil that was out to get hillary is now on her side, she is dancing with them in an effort to get what she feels she is entitled to, no matter who gets in her way or what she has to compromise to get there. No matter what harm it does to the party and what power it gives to the GOP.