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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:45 PM Original message |
Why Don't Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama Support Gay Marriage? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think they don't want a replay of 2004. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I agree. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. I dont know and their stances deeply disappoint me. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Probably Because It's Politically Untenable |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I too prefer to take this view. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. My Thinking |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. Makes sense. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because it brings out all the crazies, i.e. fundys. |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It's just too contraversial a position.... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Why is that, do you think? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
84. Because Americans are pretty religious overall |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Many Christians don't believe that the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
77. As a born-again |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. We may be moving into the time where it won't be such a lightening rod. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Is that the most important issue facing the country right now? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It's Important To Me |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I am not saying it isn't important, but if the Democrats make this the |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Perhaps homophobes shouldn't be allowed to vote. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It will happen if a Democrat is in the White House, and appoint Supreme Court judges |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Your implication is that focusing on gay marriage will make the Democrats less electable. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Because that is what happened in 2004. As I said before if Johnson ran on a civil rights |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Actually, John Kerry didn't focus on gay marriage in 2004. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Your right Kerry didn't make it a major issue, but he made it clear he was for it |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. And it will be made an issue again since Obama has the exact same stance as Kerry. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. The Survey Data Suggests There Is Plurality Support For Gay Marriage |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:15 PM Original message |
That is good to hear /nt |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. There are still a lot of homophobes out there. |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Where's the survey data? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because they are both assholes? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It's Not Worth Losing An Election Over But It Is A Right Whose Time Has Come |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Unfortunately, the act of personally recognizing that something ought to be |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. It Can't Be Enacted Because There Isn't Majority Support |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. The Civil Rights Movement operated differently. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. and it will come if we elect a Democrat who will put Supreme Court judges |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
11. Because it's politically impossible. Both back civil unions with full rights, and frankly |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. that's exactly right |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. The only reason its no longer controversial in Vermont is that Vermont went ahead with it. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. With this topic |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Who is "them?" |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Evangelicals. |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
18. They are courting the Catholic/Hispanic vote? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. If You Use California Latinos As A Proxy For The Nation's Latinos, |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Whoa. I had no idea. That surprises me, but it's a good surprise. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Another stereotype shot to hell. |
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hooraydems06 (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. They are now... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. As I said in another post on this thread, sometimes people have to be pushed a little. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. An analogy would be anti-miscegenation laws... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Very good example. Thank you. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Well, it depended on the state they lived in... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. Because they are both timid centrists who have somehow made |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yep, that's the crux of it. n/t |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. exactly. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Hate to break this to you but aside from Dennis |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Personally, I think that almost everyone in Congress is a timid centrist and corporatist. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. True, but Obama and Clinton are about as progressive as my Aunt Ethel, |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. We know that about Hill, we have yet to find out about Obama. I have to say, I like that he's |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. Exactly. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I think that's why the campaign has been so vicious. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. Because most of america is homophobic to one degree or another |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. You're pointing out that the country is going backwards in terms of civil rights. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I knew that, have known that for a few dozen years now |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. That's funny! You know, we get toaster ovens if we recruit someone to the gay! |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
21. I have two daughters |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes, it is not only politically untenable, but politically impossible at this time. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
42. Probably because |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. Your friends might not be representative of the whole population. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. But if voters are liberal enough to vote for an African American, |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. One would think so and hope so, but... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I am aware of that, and that's exactly my point. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. That's good point. And it's a good source for optimism. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That's My Point |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
55. I don't think gay marriage is broad enough for today's families |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. The problem is that most of the benefits of marriage... |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. That's a pretty major benefit |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. It would be beneficial if everyone in the U.S. had health insurance |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. So true, why must it all hinge on who's having sex with whom |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. I'm for single payer health care... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
57. Because they want to be President |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
65. Why? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. Unfortunately it's political gamesmanship or more like a problem of branding |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
72. Because they're pandering to the religious right. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
73. I don't know whether it is because gay marriage is untenable or because civil unions are just easier |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
76. Which candidate has the guts to come out for equal rights? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Kucinich. Gravel. /nt |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Obama will "deliver" gays from sin |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
78. Because they are both spineless politicians who stand for nothing. |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
80. B/c sadly America wont' vote for a candidate who supports gay marriage |
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JayFredMuggs (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I agree |
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