Sinking = censorship and fear and blind ignorance

[blues90]

simple .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. sinking = ignoring trolls.

Just good netiquette.

[BigDaddy44]

2. Ignoring = Censorhip?

Wow. Really? So i HAVE to respond, or else i'm censoring? Might want to consult your dictionary on that.

[Drachasor]

32. We better go to the library and read every book; apparently we are censoring them!

Oh noes!

[Occam Bandage]

34. ...

"But I...I just don't think some books are worth my reading!"
"And how do you decide that? Just because they might disagree with you? READ THEM ALL YOU BLIND COWARD!!!!!"

[dbonds]

3. Its called thinning the herd.

[housewolf]

4. Uhh... Excuse me... "Choosing" to NOT respond is a sign of maturity

as is choosing TO respond when it feels important to express yourself.

But to equate not responding with censorship is just.... I don't know... gee.... wrong

[blues90]

5. I'm refering to the people in this forum who put anyone

One their lists of ignore . If people cannot excerise their own self control and see something they know they do not like or disagree with and just pass it up then what does this say about them .

Instead they have to use some little ignore button which shows a total lack of self control .

I have not put one person on ignore because it is very simple to just pass any topic by where it is clear that it will become a senseless fight .

I understand all about freepers they stand out but it has gone far past just freepers .

[Occam Bandage]

8. So if you choose to not respond to flamebait, you're not "excerising" self-control?

I would think the opposite.

[blues90]

13. that not what I said .

I said it one can see it will lead to flaming the one simply passed on the topic they see as a possible flaming post . You don't need to put things on ignore , it order to put things on ignore you would have to read it to decide wouldn't you ? all I am saying is if I see a topic like Obama is a jerk or lied about this of that and I were an Obama supporter I could just pass up the post and topic without the ignore button .

Judging from you post further down you do seem pretty dense so forget trying to make common sense an issue to someone who generalized because of an avater .

[Occam Bandage]

21. Why did you just change the topic of conversation from sinking to the ignore list?

[blues90]

30. that's what I see here , people are first determined as flame baiters

Then along come the let it sink then the next step is the ignore list . I have seen this many times .

[Occam Bandage]

31. Er, yeah. If you post flamebait, people might choose not to reply to you.

If you do it repeatedly, people might choose to put you on ignore. How is that censorship?

[azmouse]

9. I just don't understand why you or anyone should care so much

about the 'ignore' feature that it has to be brought up over and over again.

Obviously, Skinner thought it would be a useful feature to help keep the peace here.

Really. Take a deep breath and don't spend so much time worrying about what others are doing.

[high density]

12. It's more about ridding my screen of bullies and illogical people

Which shows self control in my opinion. Otherwise it quickly devolves to "you're stupid" vs. "no, you're stupid." I'm glad you can "just pass any topic" but I'd rather not see the topic to begin with.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. "Illogical people"

Ten consecutive illogical posts is about my limit.

[ClassWarrior]

27. I have never put ANYONE on ignore. But LETTING IT SINK has the dual purpose...

...of not kicking flamebait and not wasting my time.

NGU.

[Occam Bandage]

6. I've long held a certain belief.

That belief is that, across the Internet, people with John Lennon or Jim Morrison as their avatars tend to be dolts.

My belief is not shaken.

[MadBadger]

7. How does not commenting equal censorship?

[blues90]

15. is that what I said ? read it a bit slower

[Occam Bandage]

18. Yes.

"Sinking," or deliberately not responding to flamebait threads, is "censorship," according to your one-line OP.

[blues90]

20. no its the sinking that leads to the ignore list

You still must read the posts you feel so compelled to fall into in order to let it sink don't you ? So you have only yourself to blame for falling into the trap freeper or not .

[Occam Bandage]

23. ...what?

[blues90]

36. Tell you what , since you are a pious mug that cannot reason

without some form of third grade insults I have nothing more to say to you . You can't read between the lines in the title I posted and seem way out of touch with what has been going on in this forum . Talk about flame baiting , it's your middle name .

[Occam Bandage]

38. "You...seem way out of touch?" Look at the responses you're getting. Every single person here

is either disagreeing with or mocking your OP. Who's out of touch here?

[Skidmore]

10. Sinking sometimes means "How many times do I have to read the same talking points again?".

And it also may mean that I read it, don't agree with it, and don't think it is worth dignifying with a response.

[Bonobo]

11. Sinking=Failure to see hope.

[Coexist]

14. so we are now required to respond to threads?

is that a new rule?

is there a minimum/maximum?

[blues90]

16. is that what I said ? polish up on your reading a bit .

Is not the sinking thing related directly to the ignore list so many are so proud of ?

[Occam Bandage]

19. "Sinking" is the practice of deliberately not responding to flamebait threads.

It need have nothing to do with the ignore list, though it stands to reason that flamebaiters would find their way on many ignore lists.

[blues90]

25. all you do is say sink and it kicks the post .

How do you describe a flame baiter ? Is this someone who does not agree with you or your candidate ?

[Occam Bandage]

26. Yes. And then, since there's no discussion, the thread sinks and dies. How is that censorship?

I think you might have tried to answer in reply #20, but I'd appreciate if you could give the answer to this one in English.

[blues90]

35. because this is a forum comprised of different opinions

To jump in there and say let it sink is restricting someones opinion but here it's called flame baiting . what do you call it when people come along and post let it sink ? whether you agree with the OP or not does not give you the right of control over an open based forum , you are forcing your own opinion and calling on others to follow your advice , that is censorship .

If you see an OP that you don't like who gave you the right to come on and douse someone elses right of expression ? What are you afraid of because to censor is based on a closed mind and fear . You are free to walk away and let others voice their opinion but instead these people who do not express your point of view are deemed a freeper .

I suppose there is only one right answer and if it does not reflect your's in has no place here .

[Occam Bandage]

37. But letting a thread sink isn't restricting opinions. If people want to keep a discussion going,

posting "let it sink" won't do a thing but kick it. Posting "let it sink" is only a declaration to the OP (and anyone who might read it) that it is sinking because nobody sees any value in it, and not for any other reason.

If I see an OP I don't like, the fact that I am a member of this board gives me the limited privilege to express my opinion on it, just as the OP has the limited privilege to express their opinions. The right to free speech--and the revokable privilege of free speech within certain limits that exists on DU--do not from any perspective require a right to be agreed with.

You know that "you are free to walk away" business? That's what "let it sink" is, buddy. That's what the Ignore list does, too. Either you're not quite clear on what you're talking about, or you're not thinking about what you're writing before you write it.

[blues90]

45. walking away means not responding at all , let it sink is responding .

I know exactly what i am saying and I am clear about it . what is required by you , I am supposed to spell it out in great detail for you to get the meaning , you can't understand with few words said ?

I have seen many posts and most all pertain to some form of opposition to Obama , then along comes the let it sink band wagon . If people don't like what is said then I say just leave it alone , what is so difficult to understand about that . Have you not seen the let it sink replies ?

To band together and go along with let it sink and post that in a reply , what does that tell you ? It's not an obligation to post a reply what it is is to climb in where you don't belong .

You have no direct answer to this yet , you go around and around saying the same thing over and over .

Just spit it out , just put your opinion across without the circle game .

[Forkboy]

17. Speaking of simple...

[DarienComp]

22. deleted

on edit: nevermind, FLDem5 already said it.

[blues90]

28. no I did not say that . did I mention obligation , I said censorship

You want to censor any opinion you do not agree with rather than just moving away for it and not responding at all . To sink someones post where you invite yourself into the post in the first place is censorship . You have free will not to respond .

[Occam Bandage]

29. And how, exactly, is not responding to a thread censorship?

[blues90]

40. SINKING = CENSORSHIP ! NOT RESPONDING !

mAN ARE YOU DENSE !

[Occam Bandage]

41. Sinking = not responding. If Sinking = Censorship, then Not Responding = Censorship.

[ClassWarrior]

42. I'm dense too. Help me here. So if I don't want to censor, I am obligated...

...to kick threads I have no interest in kicking?

:crazy:

NGU.

[blues90]

43. where do you get that idea ?

how in the hell are you obligated to do anything ? Are you telling me that if you read a OP with a topic line that stands out such as Obama is a fool you are obligated to do ANYTHING ? If you do read the body of the OP's post are you Obligated to do anything ? You cannot just walk away and say nothing or add nothing or even bother to post let it sink ?

Sounds pretty dense to me .

You tell me , you brought the word obligated here , i did not say a thing about obligation .

[ClassWarrior]

44. You did too "say a thing about obligation." In post #28. You said there was no...

...obligation to do anything. Then you said -- in other words -- that if you let it sink, you're censoring, which means if you don't want to censor, you're obligated to kick. That's what's making me "dense."

:crazy:

Plato is spinning in his grave.

NGU.

[blues90]

46. I refered to obligation as a reply , I never said anyone was obligated

to do a damn thing , show me where I said anyone was obligated , you will not find me bringing that word into one of my posts here , if so show me where it is .

[tammywammy]

24. I don't have anyone on ignore

But at the same time, I don't respond to stupid flamebait threads (or at least try not to).


If you have a problem with a sinking thread, then kick it up. No one is required to respond to all threads.

[krawhitham]

39. You're Funny