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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:26 PM
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Clinton Advisor: "She only has a 10% chance of winning."
WTF ! She only has a 10% chance of winning and she's staying in! Someone was
right when they said she should drop out "with honor and dignity" before
March 4th. What she doesn't know since her head is up her ass is that
if she causes the dems to lose in 08 - no one will ever, ever, ever give
her the nomination in the future!




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Story behind the story: The Clinton myth
By JIM VANDEHEI & MIKE ALLEN | 3/21/08 1:32 PM EST Text Size:



Clinton's campaign rests increasingly on a game of make-believe.
Photo: AP



One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton’s campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.
is why so many people are playing. The answer has more to do with media psychology than with practical politics.

Journalists have become partners with the Clinton campaign in pretending that the contest is closer than it really is. Most coverage breathlessly portrays the race as a down-to-the-wire sprint between two well-matched candidates, one only slightly better situated than the other to win in August at the national convention in Denver.

One reason is fear of embarrassment. In its zeal to avoid predictive reporting of the sort that embarrassed journalists in New Hampshire, the media — including Politico — have tended to avoid zeroing in on the tough math Clinton faces.

Avoiding predictions based on polls even before voters cast their ballots is wise policy. But that's not the same as drawing sober and well-grounded conclusions about the current state of a race after millions of voters have registered their preferences.

The antidote to last winter's flawed predictions is not to promote a misleading narrative based on the desired but unlikely story line of one candidate.

There are other forces also working to preserve the notion of a contest that is still up for grabs.

One important, if subliminal, reason is self-interest. Reporters and editors love a close race — it’s more fun and it’s good for business.

The media are also enamored of the almost mystical ability of the Clintons to work their way out of tight jams, as they have done for 16 years at the national level. That explains why some reporters are inclined to believe the Clinton campaign when it talks about how she’s going to win on the third ballot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

That’s certainly possible — and, to be clear, we’d love to see the race last that long — but it’s folly to write about this as if it is likely.

It’s also hard to overstate the role the talented Clinton camp plays in shaping the campaign narrative, first by subtly lowering the bar for the performance necessary to remain in the race, and then by keeping the focus on Obama’s relationships with a political fixer and a controversial pastor in Illinois.

more at link

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:28 PM
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1. Ah yes, the word of 2 Republican operatives.....
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:29 PM
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4. No the words of a Clinton Aide!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:31 PM
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6. Uncited and dispensed through two RW Republican operatives.
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 12:33 PM by jlake
It is doubtful that such a "Clinton aide" exists.

Rumor being spread by RW minions..... and eaten up by Obama supporters.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:33 PM
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7. Same difference. nt
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:40 PM
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14. You're really out of line.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:25 PM
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27. Oh, no you didn't just tell someone they are "really out of line."
Especially, not you. I've seen many of your posts...

:rofl:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:50 PM
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37. Oh. Yes. I. Did. I'm fierce like that.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:50 PM
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40. LOL!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:57 PM
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44. Out of line? excuse me while I chuckle.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:56 PM
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43. no matter whether she wins or loses, she has to work with a lot of
people she not only pissed off but whose states she dismissed as not 'relevant'. I am sure she is a get even kind of gal as well. One of the things I liked about Bill Clinton, one of the few remaining I'm afraid, was how he wasn't afraid to work with shitheads to get his stuff done.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:39 PM
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13. How would you rate her odds, "Mississippi"?
:shrug:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:43 PM
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15. I would rate them at 25%, with real reason to stay in the race.
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 12:45 PM by jlake
During the discussion of this article on Hardball, Chuck Todd said something that surprised me.
He said if Hillary can pull an upset and win NC after a 20 point win in PA "She will be the nominee"

I think both of those things are very, very possible.... all of the states left are primaries, and most favor Hillary (some STRONGLY)
Momentum and perceptions aside, from here on out she really can close the delegate and PV count.... and out pace Obama against McCain in polls ---
her problem now is NOT the actual primaries, but big Obama endorsements and the establishment backing Obama.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:48 PM
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16. Let's put it on the record:
Which states will she win, which will she lose, and what will the rough point spread be? :shrug:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:49 PM
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17. Okay, but I want you to post *your* predictions for all remaining states and PR as well....
deal?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:53 PM
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18. Deal
:thumbsup:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:55 PM
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19. Here are mine:
Pennsylvania: Hillary by 28
Guam: Hillary by 20
North Carolina: Hillary by 6
Indiana: Hillary by 8
West Virginia: Hillary by 32
Oregon: Obama by 14
Kentucky: Hillary by 22
Puerto Rico: Hillary by 16
Montana: Obama by 8
South Dakota: Hillary by 12
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:59 PM
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20. And (before looking at yours) mine:
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:00 PM by XemaSab
Pennsylvania: Hillary by 14
Guam: Obama by 20
North Carolina: Obama by 14
Indiana: toss up :shrug:
West Virginia: Hillary by 14
Oregon: Obama by 20
Kentucky: Hillary by 14
Puerto Rico: Hillary by 10
Montana: Obama by 20
South Dakota: Obama by 20


(edit: gave hillary a little more in KY and WV)
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:01 PM
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21. We'll see.... but I gotta say, WV is going to be a HUGE win for Hilly.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:03 PM
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22. We both used only even numbers, and you're particularly fond of "14".
:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:18 PM
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26. 14?
:P

I picked 14 point leads in some races because 57% is a nice, safe number that's bigger than 55 but less than 60. Hillary's wins for the most part have been topping out in that range.

In summary, I think we're both in agreement that Appalachia will be very friendly to Hillary, but whether it's going to be friendly like New York (57%) or friendly like Arkansas (70%) remains to be seen.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:11 PM
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24. My response to your predictions:
I think Hillary's going to take Pennsylvania decisively, but not THAT decisively. That would be close to her win in Arkansas there.

Guam I don't have much of a feeling for, other than the fact that Obama's been doing well out in the Pacific. There are four delegates at stake, so I'd be surprised if it wasn't 2:2 or 3:1 either way.

North Carolina: Obama did VERY well in Virginia and South Carolina. I think he would have done better in SC if Edwards hadn't still been in the race. I gave Obama a commanding victory there just based on the surrounding states.

Indiana: I don't have a feeling for at all. :shrug:

West Virginia: Definitely Hillary country, but again, I don't think she's going to suddenly start getting Arkansas-level victories.

Oregon: Obama's definitely going to win. We're pretty much in agreement there.

Kentucky: I gave Hillary a win, but not by that much again.

I don't think Hillary will blow it out in PR.

Montana and South Dakota: all the neighboring states in that part of the country did really, really well for Obama. Nebraska was 70-30, ND was 60-40, CO was 65-35, MN was 65-35, and ID was 80-17. I see no reason why Montana and South Dakota shouldn't fall right in line there.

Good times! :D
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:28 PM
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28. Definitely bookmarking.
:wow:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:29 PM
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29. Politico, Pffft. I Won't Even Look At It
It's a repuke rag, and everybody here know it.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:30 PM
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31. Until it trashes Hillary, then it's the word of God.
:eyes:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:33 PM
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33. 89% Of DUers Think It's A repuke rag:
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:28 PM
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2. They were talking about this on Hardball yesterday I think it was
And the author of the article was on defending it...and Matthews had some people on later in the show who tried to downplay it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:29 PM
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3. That 10% gives her supporters hope, and
gives those of us who support neither hope for a better solution; a brokered convention, a different candidate, and packing both of them back to the senate to demonstrate their commitment to all of the issues they've raised with their campaigns.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:29 PM
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5. Which is why I jumped ship--time to focus on McCain, not each other n/t
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:30 PM
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30. ..
:thumbsup:
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:33 PM
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8. time for everyone to donate to her campaign.
only about 10% of what they would normally donate though.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:33 PM
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9. what a hoax. Once more, Politico is used as a credible source
. . . for these self-serving, loose quotes without a name behind them. Drudge stuff.

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:45 PM
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36. Exactly.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:36 PM
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10. The GOP wants her in as long as possible to stall Dems having a nominee
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:36 PM
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11. That's about 10% higher than her actual chances
and it all revolves around the possibility of a major collapse from Obama. If the Wright thing didn't do it (and all indications are that Obama has bounced back almost completely), it's not going to happen.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:36 PM
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12. At Least She is Going Out With Class
It seems like Bill Clinton is hellbent on destroying his reputation. I guess maybe that's why he slept with all those women behind his wife's back. He was dying to self-destruct. That's about all the Freudian psychology I'd venture from that campaign. It gets pretty dark pretty fast.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:11 PM
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25. She lost that chance...
She lost any chance of going out classy with "shame on you Barack Obama!"
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:32 PM
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32. Class is off the table for Hillary. Way too late.
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JTucker Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:06 PM
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23. No coverage on Obama win...
I'm not a fan of CLinton or Obama necessarily but the news ain't really been honest about TX. Obama won were it counted in pledged delegates. SHe won the primary, he won the caucus. He's been too nice to call her out. Just gives McCain more time to move ahead.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:43 PM
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34. Which Clinton Advisor?
I didn't see where he/she was named.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:44 PM
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35. DU: 89% Say Politico Is A repuke Rag
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:56 PM
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38. Like I said, she will stop at nothing to win.
I use to respect her but that has gone out the window.

her and her legacy will be damaged after this is over. as well as her husbands.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:08 PM
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39. She only has one husband.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 06:22 PM
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42. use = used. her and her = She and her. husbands = husband's.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 04:22 PM
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41. Time for Clinton to drop out and let the party concentrate on McCain. n/t
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:58 PM
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45. as long as she has ANY chance
she should stay in.

Her supporters expect nothing less.
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