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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:20 PM
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Obama Campaign Character Attacks Not Supported By Facts
Obama Campaign Character Attacks Not Supported By Facts
3/21/2008 11:57:27 AM

At the outset of the campaign, Sen. Obama pledged that his campaign would not attempt to "tear people down personally." This morning the Obama campaign released a strikingly negative memo attacking Hillary's character and asserting that Hillary "has consistently made political calculations to deliberately mislead the American people."

The memo is also dishonest. Below is a detailed look at the Obama campaign's claims that sets the record straight.



60 Minutes Interview
The Obama campaign falsely claimed that Hillary would not confirm that Obama was a Christian in a 60 minutes interview:

Obama’s religion. In a “60 Minutes” interview, Senator Clinton refused to confirm that Senator Obama is a Christian, even though she knows the facts.
Here is how Media Matters' Eric Boehlert described the interview:

The fact is, if you look at Clinton's exchange with Kroft in its entirety, which lasted less than one minute, I count eight separate times in which she either plainly denied the false claim that Obama was Muslim, labeled that suggestion to be a smear, or expressed sympathy for Obama having to deal with the Muslim innuendo.


Family and Medical Leave Act
The Obama campaign falsely claimed that Hillary had nothing to do with passing the Family and Medical Leave Act:

Her role in passing the Family and Medical Leave Act. Clinton credits herself with “helping to pass” the Family and Medical Leave Act as First Lady. But the 11,000 pages of schedules don’t contain a single mention of her involvement in the issue.
Here is what Debra Ness, President of the National Partnership for Women and Families, said about Hillary's involvement in FMLA:

Hillary was instrumental in getting the Family and Medical Leave Act signed into law. We at the National Partnership for Women & Families as well as other family and labor groups had been pushing for the law for nearly 10 years. Hillary brought her work and experience on behalf of children and working families to the campaign trail in 1991 and 1992 and knew the importance of getting this legislation passed immediately. Two weeks after President Clinton was inaugurated, it was done.


Experience
The Obama campaign says every year she worked at a private law firm, she was not engaged in public service:

35 Years in Public Service. The oft-repeated Clinton claim that she has 35 years of public service experience is simply false. Fifteen of those years were spent at a law practice.
During that time, Hillary was First Lady of Arkansas, Founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, was appointed by President Carter to the board of the U.S. Legal Services Corporation, Chaired Rural Health Advisory Committee in Arkansas and was on the board of directors of the Children's Defense Fund, among other activities in the public service.

Sen. Obama also worked in private practice for about a decade, and doesn't exclude that period of time from his experience in public service.

The Obama campaign also denigrates her experience as first lady, where she represented the United States in more than 80 countries. More on Hillary's foreign policy experience HERE.



Florida and Michigan
The Obama campaign is misleading voters about Hillary's position on Florida and Michigan:

The Michigan and Florida primaries. Back when it suited her political purposes she said the Michigan primary “didn’t count for anything” and that she wasn’t leaving her name on the ballot to try to legitimize the results. But now that she desperately needs more votes, she’s doing just that. And despite her pledge not campaign in either state, she held two campaign events in Florida.
In the interview that the Obama campaign cites, Hillary made it clear that Michigan was essential for the Democrats chances in the fall and that's why she left her name on the ballot:

I did not believe it was fair to just say goodbye Michigan and not take into account the fact that we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January 2009.
More info HERE. Hillary actually abided by the rules not to campaign before the primary concluded, unlike Sen. Obama who ran advertising in Florida.



NAFTA
The Obama campaign falsely claims that Hillary was not critical of NAFTA in the early 1990s:

Her position on NAFTA. Clinton tells Ohio voters that she has “been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning.” Yet her own schedules show that as First Lady she attended at least four meetings to advocate for its original passage.
Here is what David Gergen, who organized at least one of the meetings, had to say about Hillary's views at the time:

I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA.


Disclosure
On a week when 11,000 pages of Hillary's White House schedule were made available to the public, the Obama campaign is continuing to attack Hillary's transparency. At the same time, the Obama campaign has not released a single page of his state senate schedule or records.

There are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns in the public record and she will release all of her post-White House returns next month. Sen. Obama has released one year of his tax returns to the public and refuses to release any other years.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6664
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:21 PM
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Did you get the order to post this here?
Hope they pay well. Man, the HRC campaign just doesn't understand netroots or grassroots.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:25 PM
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3. anyone can go to the site and look this up
And, the fact that the Obama supporters regularly ignore these doesn't make them moot.

Hillary Clinton's supporters are the netroots, as well as your own territory you've staked out. We're organized enough and motivated enough to coordinate with the campaign from our homes, offices, wherever. Deal with it.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 PM
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6. And this deals with the information in the post by....?
Patronizing the poster and making a snide remark?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 PM
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8. It's propoganda.
I might bother if it came from somewhere that wasn't directly associated with the Clinton campaign.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:29 PM
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10. as if everything that comes from the Obama camp is some unassailable gospel
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 10:30 PM by bigtree
incredible myopia
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:32 PM
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13. I didn't say anything about the Obama campaign.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:50 PM
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18. So NER to you
(jesus wept)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 08:06 AM
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26. You are right.. the attack on the OP is propaganda and to be dismissed
.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:30 PM
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11. Hope they pay well.
The Clinton campaign is $2 million in the red at the moment.

Their checks are going to bounce when they try to cash them.

:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:56 PM
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23. Of course, no one could be as inspired by the elevation of the first woman to the presidency
as they are by Obama.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:57 PM
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24. LET IT SINK.
NGU.


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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:21 PM
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1. Didn't you already post this?
:shrug:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:26 PM
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4. I thought I saw the same post on there already today
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:24 PM
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2. Can't wait for the Hilaryhub explanation of the sniper fire in Bosnia.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 PM
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7. charged and answered
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 PM by bigtree
If you wanted something beyond whatever biased 'fact check' you've dug up, you could easily find it. What you want is to assert your source and denounce your rival's. There nothing more illuminating in all of that than in any of these predictable back and forth attacks. I wouldn't spend a moment here debating this with you. What happened to the ISSUES in this race which actually affect the lives of the voters??
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:14 AM
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25. A couple of points...
1 - this thread isn't about issues - look at the OP. Your candidate decided to go kitchen sink, so deal with it.

2 - it hasn't been answered. Clinton herself gave a speech last Monday going on about running from the plane under sniper fire. Photos and videos show her recollection is deeply faulty. She's been in a combat zone the same way Bush was in the air force.

The speech:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553
"Good morning. I want to thank Secretary West for his years of service, not only as Secretary of the Army, but also to the Veteran’s Administration, to our men and women in uniform, to our country. I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.
But it was a moment of great pride for me to visit our troops, not only in our main base as Tuzla, but also at two outposts where they were serving in so many capacities to deactivate and remove landmines, to hunt and seek out those who had not complied with the Dayton Accords and put down their arms, and to build relationships with the people that might lead to a peace for them and their children."

Video news report of Hillary Clinton in Bosnia - unfortunately uploaded by NewsBusters, but it's just archive footage of a CBS report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxVsdS887HA

The most charitable way I can put it is that her retelling of the story is overdramatic.


It's not a bad speech, but on the other hand it's largely a reiteration of what we've heard before - I don't think there are any new policies being advanced here. I don't disapprove of her goals as laid out in the speech, mind, but I somewhat prefer Obama's stated foreign policy goals and methods of working towards them.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:26 PM
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5. Its a sad day when Democratic supporters feel the need to use Republican tactics.
I thought WE were better than that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:31 PM
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12. check your own campaign
a la Axelrod and crew.

Log out of eye . . .
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:28 PM
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9. I promise I wont shoot you
But all bets are off if you shoot at me first.

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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:34 PM
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14. Just because you keep
keep posting this doesn't make it true. Ten thousand more posts won't make it any truer.
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:42 PM
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15. Then you should have no problem providing credible links to
prove these "lies."

On a week when 11,000 pages of Hillary's White House schedule were made available to the public, the Obama campaign is continuing to attack Hillary's transparency. At the same time, the Obama campaign HAS NOT released a single page of his state senate schedule or records.

There are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns in the public record and she will release all of her post-White House returns next month. Sen. Obama has released one year of his tax returns to the public and refuses to release any other years.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:57 PM
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19. Smartest girl in class...
too bad she won't be the democratic candidate for president in 2008 - huh?
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:34 PM
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21. So there is some truth to what you claim are lies....
obviously nothing BUT The Truth...but we both knew that didn't we? Ciao!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:43 PM
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16. Thank you.
It's very difficult to battle a snake like Robert Gibbs (O's Communications Director), whose claim to fame is tearing down Democrats. Not Republicans. Democrats.

Any misinformation from the O campaign can likely be attributed directly to Gibbs, just as Rove began the whispering campaign against McCain while bush stayed "above the fray."
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:44 PM
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17. There you go again - trying to confuse everyone with facts.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:20 PM
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20. Thankie for the post!
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:45 PM
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22. um. This memo CONFIRMS that she lied about taking her name off the ballet in MI
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