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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:42 PM
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Is Hillary pro-Mountaintop Removal, Because the Clinton Fund Got $131 Mil and More From Mining??
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 06:52 PM by Dems Will Win

FRANK GIUSTRA AND THE FIRST LADDIE



The Clintons received $131 Million in money for the charities, but the mining magnates do a lot of business with the government. Supposedly, mining concerns gave tens of milllions more. Then Hillary comes out pro-Mountaintop Removal on Wednesday, after hiding her true opinion all this time.

Clinton Used Giustra's Plane, Opened Doors for Deals


By Elliot Blair Smith

Since he left the White House in 2001, Clinton, now 61, has earned more than $50 million for himself and raised hundreds of millions more for global charities, according to New York Senator Hillary Clinton's financial disclosures and foundation statements.

The former president has declined to identify most of his financial benefactors, including donors to his presidential library. He says he will make public the names of future contributors should his wife win the Democratic nomination.

`Pursuit of Money'

``Bill Clinton is the ex-president who has pushed the pursuit of money into the stratosphere, and will probably set a new bar for future ex-presidents,'' says Bill Hogan, director of investigative projects at the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit ethics watchdog in Washington, and head of its Buying of the President 2008 program.

``One can imagine an ex-president saying this is none of your business,'' Hogan says. ``It doesn't work this time because Hillary Clinton is married to him, and she's running for the highest office in the land.''

...

$131 Million

The Canadian businessman donated $31 million to Clinton's charity in 2006 through his own nonprofit, the Radcliffe Foundation. Last June, he made an additional $100 million pledge to the newly established Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, and secured the promise of tens of millions more from Canadian mining companies. He stipulated the funds be deployed in developing countries, where he does most of his business.

...

Clinton arranged for Giustra to meet the president of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe, in New York three months later, the Wall Street Journal reported last week. Last year a Canadian company Giustra's investment firm was advising acquired oil fields in Colombia, the Journal reported, and Giustra met Uribe again to discuss a coal-export project.

...

On Sept. 6, 2005, Clinton flew aboard Giustra's plane into Almaty, Kazakhstan's largest city, where the two men met up and shared a private dinner with President Nursultan Nazarbayev, according to interviews and public statements at the time.

The U.S. State Department's country report on human rights for Kazakhstan for 2006, the latest available, criticized the regime for ``pervasive corruption'' as well as arbitrary arrests and detentions, particularly of government opponents.

...


Another topic of discussion was an agreement Giustra was negotiating with the Kazakhstan government and a former energy minister to buy controlling stakes in three uranium mines.

...

``A president who wanted to assure that his good name is deserved would steer clear of accepting an airplane ride to Kazakhstan, or being involved even peripherally in this business deal,'' Baker says. ``Kazakhstan has a track record of such enormous corruption, particularly in natural resource transactions, that one should be extremely cautious in getting involved.''


...

The same month, Dzhakishev said Giustra arranged for him to visit Clinton at his home near New York to discuss the future of nuclear power.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aa2b8Mj3NEWQ

HERE'S HILLARY ON MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL THIS WEEK:



Hillary Clinton on Mountaintop Removal this morning



by faithfull
Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:21:26 AM PDT

(Cross-posted at the Appalachian Voices Front Porch Blog)

Beth Vorhees interviewed Senator Hillary Clinton on West Virginia Public Broadcast (audio), this morning and asked her a direct question about her position on mountaintop removal coal-mining.

Hillary's answer below the fold.

Keep in mind, mountaintop removal:

- Has destroyed 1 million acres of the most biodiverse temperate forest in the world
- Has led to a 90% reduction in mining jobs in WV because of the automation of labor
- Has leveled 470+ of the oldest mountains on the continent.

Hillary on MTR: (unofficial transcript)


I am concerned about it for all the reasons people state, but I think its a difficult question because of the conflict between the economic and environmental trade-off that you have here.

I'm not an expert. I don't know enough to have an independent opinion, but I sure would like people who could be objective, understanding both the economic necessities and environmental damage to come up with some approach that would enable us to retrieve the coal but would enable us to do it in a way that wouldn't damage the living standards and the other important qualities associated with people living both under the mountaintop and people who are along the streams.

You know, maybe there is a way to recover those mountaintops once they have been stripped of the coal. You know, I think we've got to look at this from a practical perspective.


...

I am disappointed that she is setting up this false dichotomy of "economic necessities" vs "environmental damage." Mountaintop removal does the same thing to our economy as it does to our mountains. The destruction of one and the destruction of the other go hand in hand.

Thirdly, Hillary Clinton has sat in on Senate Committee hearings on mountaintop removal since 2002, so she should have a pretty good idea of what is going on. She promised to take a flyover of the region, but has failed to follow-through on that commitment.

Listen to the whole thing here. http://www.wvpubcast.com/audio/news/0319wvm1.mp3

Update: An important note from DevilsTower:

When I was getting feedback from campaigns I could never get the Clinton campaign to give me a statement on MTR. Now I suppose we know why.

This is extremely disappointing, since most of her energy plan is quite good.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/19/105837/690/142/479900

AND OBAMA??



When Appalachian Voices asked Senator Obama about MTR, and whether he supported or opposed strip mining, he said:


Strip-mining is an environmental disaster!

The telegenic Presidential hopeful did not stop there. He went on to adress mountatintop removal by saying:


We have to find more environmentally sound ways of mining coal, than simply blowing the tops off mountains.

He said the country also needs a forward-thinking energy policy, and he alluded to his disapproval of the coal mining process of mountaintop removal.

"We're tearing up the Appalachian Mountains because of our dependence on fossil fuels," he said, sparking loud applause.


This is a Senator from a state that contains a LOT of (high-sulfur) coal. The fact that big fish like Obama are trending our way is fantastic.

Lets hope that this leads to some leadership on specific legislative proposals to end mountaintop removal in America by someone in the Senate. A presidential candidate opposing mountaintop removal represents the ideals of the Appalachian people. And the Appalachian people represent a potential of 51 electoral votes. That as much as Florida, Ohio, and New Hampshire combined.

Call and THANK Senator Obama for taking a stand against mountaintop removal by calling him at (202)224-2854. You can also call your US Representative at (202)224-3121 and ask them to co-sponsor the “Clean Water Protection Act” to help stop mountaintop removal coal-mining.

http://www.appvoices.org/index.php?/frontporch/blogposts/obama_says_that_we_must_find_a_way_around_mtr



It's also because she doesn't want to appear anti-coal mining in WV, too. Whatever it is Mountaintop Removal is absolutely despicable and I urge all Hillary supporters to reconsider their vote given her statement above and Obama's strong opposition. $131 Million and tens of millions more is a lot of money, and the Clintons would be reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them and their charities directly.

PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU ARE AGAINST THE SECRECY BEHIND THE CLINTON FUND DONORS AND THINK THIS MINING ISSUE ILLUMINATES THE PROBLEM WITH THAT!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:43 PM
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1. A relevant question. K&R. nt.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:53 PM
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5. A million here, a million there...
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:46 PM
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2. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:47 PM
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3. My. God.
That is appalling. I had no idea. I believe the most pressing issue of our time is global warming, and if this is her approach it is shocking beyond belief.

Bill Clinton swung a $3.1 billion deal for Frank Giustra, BTW. Is it no wonder they don't want to release their personal financials and the library donor lists, when the conflicts of interest are so clear?

More on Giustra >
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4306591

K&R
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:49 PM
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4. Thanks, Stephanie. Everyone should blast this to the media, Thanks!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:53 PM
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6. I think I overlooked your earlier thread on this because MTR didn't ring a bell
But this is absolutely incredible, and the conflict of interest is so clear it's got to be illegal. Isn't it? It should be.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:55 PM
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7. That's why at the least all the donors should be known if she is running for President!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:59 PM
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9. And that's why at the VERY least we need those tax returns
Pay-offs to Bill are going directly into Hillary's campaign fund via her personal loans. We know Ron Burkle is paying him $20M for who knows what. Who else is lining Bill's pockets?
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:56 PM
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8. No. Because she wants to win in West Virginia.
Its my understanding that, historically, supporting pro-environment anti-mining positions is bad politics in WV. The Clintons know it well. Bill won there in 92 and 96, but Gore and Kerry both lost.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:00 PM
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10. These are anti-labor policies
These are policies that kill jobs as well as the environment.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:00 PM
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11. K&R i know a solution...
cover the tops with quality marujuana plants. Bam! everyones happy, and a free hemp resource to exploit.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:14 PM
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12. What have you been smoking??
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:25 PM
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13. That map is very nice. While you can't necessarily claim a direct cause and effect
the relationship between poverty and strip mining is highly correlated.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:55 PM
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14. Paging Al Gore
It's time for you to step forward, for the good of the planet, and endorse Obama.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:58 PM
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15. Your post on Coal reminded me of my YouTube on Coal
that I did after the Utah mine collapse.....

I wonder what Hillary's CARBON footprint is????

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OpAtVzq2QMk

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:59 PM
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16. Good question!
And excellent post.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:15 PM
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17. K & R
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 06:37 AM
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18. One of the things that I like about Sen. Obama is his commitment
to transparency in government.

Thanks for the great post. :toast:
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