ok, so here are the repub attack points for each candidate... now dumb yourself down and think

[Texas Hill Country]

like the average american... Remember, these dont have to entirely accurate, they just have to have a kernel of truth, but they will pound them all... guaranteed 100%. I know I will be slightly misrepresenting some of these, but this is how the 527's will present them.


For both it will be the same because their policies are virtually the same...

1. Socialized Medicine
2. Tax and spend
3. Cut and run
4. anti-Free Trade

Now, individually....



Obama -

1. Black (unfortunate, but it is a factor)
2. Hussein for a middle name, and BTW Barak is short for Mubarak... yes like Egypts leader
3. Muslim Father
4. Muslim Step-Father
5. Grew up in Indonesia, a strange muslim country on the other side of the world
6. Did not put his hand over his heart
7. Did not wear his lapel pin
8. wife said America was a mean country
9. wife said that this is the first time she has ever been proud of this country
10. wife wrote a thesis/dissertation on the danger of blacks becoming too white.
11. Obama called him grandma a typical white person - he is a racist
12. Obama goes to a "Afro-centric" church that blames white people for everything - he is racist
13. Obama's preacher, friend, mentor, father figure is a racist hate monger that hates America
14. Obama's preacher, friend, mentor, father figure love Louis Farrakhan
15. Obama's preacher, friend, mentor, father figure is friends with Khadaffi
16. Obama's preacher, friend, mentor, father figure supports terrorists like Hamas
17. Obama is friend with domestic terrorist groups dedicated to destroying the US govt - Weather Underground.
18. Lack of experience.
19. Flip Flopper
20. Obama's church loves gay people and is fighting to allow them to be married.
21. Obama is Left of Ted Kennedy.
22. Rezko shady slum lord, bag man for terrorist money? (
23. Obama rhymes with Osama


Clinton -

1. Bill's wandering dick
2. Whitewater shady
3. Library funding shady (maybe)
4. Flip Flopper on policies
5. She is a bitch and a lesbo... (i am reaching now)
6. She flip flops on the war too.
7. Lost records showing up in living quarters shady
8. Pardons shady, Bros suck
9. Hillary is a commie.
10. Shady friends (Hsu, Gupta, Paul, etc)
11. Off shore tax shelters (hypocrisy)
12. She's female and that is just as much a detriment as Obama's race. duh
13. Lack of experience
14. Her silly lies like being under fire in Bosnia
15. Radical 60's stuff (Black Panther, Anti-war, etc)


Ok, so which do you think is the one that has the harder sell?

Nobama?

OH, AND DONT FRIGGIN ARGUE WHETHER MY POINTS ARE TRUE OR FAIR... THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

[tabasco]

1. Ya know, when you failed to put "For the war before she was against it"

in Clinton's column, I knew your list was bullshit.

[maddiejoan]

4. so?

They'll argue that Obama was against the war before he was for it before he was against it again.

:shrug:

[tabasco]

12. Obama has never been for the war and you know it.

You lie just as easily as Hillary.

[Texas Hill Country]

17. NOT THE POINT DIPPITY.

[babylonsister]

37. No need to get nasty. Buh bye, because there's no need for me

to read your pitiful wailings.

[Texas Hill Country]

39. sorry, frustrated by constant attacks from people that arent even responding to legitimate questions

happens contantly on here.

I apologize.

[maddiejoan]

19. apparently you have huge blinders on.

[musicblind]

50. Didn't he vote to fund the war though?

[Texas Hill Country]

7. Fine, add she is a flip flopper too.... still....

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[Texas Hill Country]

5. thanks for starting shit like a child... god damn, talking to you Obama people is impossible.

[FrenchieCat]

16. It's not a game, but you are transparent......

and I just don't have time for this propaganda bullshit anymore.

You want to have a discourse?
then be honest, instead of trying to
shovel bullshit at us
with this post.


That's what I'm talking about.

You want a long ass list for Clinton and McCain, to equal the amazing stereotypical list for Obama that you have there? Fine.

But please know, that you were probably wrong about whether Obama would get as far as he's gotten to date, so why do you think that you are all of the sudden right?

Clue baby! You're not.

You forget that Obama's got way more game than you are crediting him for. Way more!

[Texas Hill Country]

20. lol, ok... just wait. like i have said, i like them both, alot. Actually, I like him more, but

i dont believe he will win. i just dont. And I dont believe you know what you are talking about when it comes to national elections.


It will be BRUTAL.

[Mike Nelson]

2. I still like them both

I do

[Texas Hill Country]

9. So do I... a ton, and Obama is definitely more inspiring... but which is easier to sell?

[babylonsister]

3. McCain:

* stumbling around Iraq, looking confused, getting answers wrong
* 100 year war
* connections to Abramoff
* lying about e-mails
* no clue on economics
* up against either Dem in a debate, I don't think there's a contest there
* rethugs in general and the miserable way they've handled this country, war, economy, etc., for the past 8 years
* bad-d-d temper

I'm sure there's more, but I'm confident he's very beatable.

[Texas Hill Country]

6. not the point... you dont win by having an opponent people hate more than you... 2004 proved that.

[babylonsister]

22. People seem to dislike Clinton and embrace Obama, so what's

your actual point?

[Texas Hill Country]

25. unfavorable rating about dead even right now...

[DearAbby]

24. Dont forget the negative for McCain:

Lieberman

[Texas Hill Country]

26. not the point, but Repubs love Lieberman... dont know why, but they LOVE him.

[DearAbby]

44. It's like a cheating spouse

how can you trust the relationship, when they can so easily turn their back on one?

They may say they love him...(I too wonder why)but do they really really trust him?

[Texas Hill Country]

46. he has essentially given the Dems the finger... they trust him.

[babylonsister]

31. That's a biggie, and last I heard Dems and rethugs will be voting. nt

[Texas Hill Country]

36. lieberman would take the center for McCain away from Obama in many ways, but that is another subject

lets stay on topic people!!! lol

[anonymous171]

8. Here's what they will do: Hillary=communist

It's not that hard to do.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. They will trot out the "Left of Ted Kennedy" for Obama

[anonymous171]

15. But does Obama's HC plan have mandates?

This quote will be played over and over: "It's time to put the common good, the national interest, ahead of individuals"-Hillary Clinton

[Texas Hill Country]

21. it will be the same argument for both... doesnt matter

[anonymous171]

23. No it won't.

Google search "Hillary Clinton" and "Communism." They already have their BS lined up, ready for attack.

[Texas Hill Country]

27. OK, fine. Hillary is a Commie

[anonymous171]

33. She's not. But the GOP will make everyone think she is.

Remember, in the absence of any fact, the GOP just makes shit up. Kerry was seen as vetted and extremely electable. A Vietnam vet and a distinguished senator against the chickenhawk frat boy Bush, it looked like it was going to be a surefire Kerry win. But the GOP proved that they don't let fact and truth get in the way of their attacks.

[Texas Hill Country]

34. absolutely agree that GOP doesnt need fact to sell stuff... but I guarantee all this stuff will be

hit hard as a mofo by the 527s

[clydefrand]

10. You forgot that Obama is connected with a crook in IL.

And that Clinton lied about lost records that "JUST" accidentally showed up in their living quarters.

And Clinton is a bitch, is a bitch, is a bitch and a hateful woman!

Now I don't believe these things, but I agree that is what people will and do say.

[Texas Hill Country]

13. added to the list

[Jamastiene]

14. God, repubs are so dumb.

:puke:

[Texas Hill Country]

18. are you calling me a republican?

[Jamastiene]

53. No, no, no, I'm talking about their arguments that were mentioned.

(that they actually believe some of that bullshit)

Last I heard, you were a Democrat.

[slackmaster]

28. You forgot "Obama rhymes with Osama"

:D

[Texas Hill Country]

29. very nice... didnt think of that... can you imagine how often they will make that "slip"

[Blue-Jay]

30. Oh boy.

"OH, AND DONT FRIGGIN ARGUE WHETHER MY POINTS ARE TRUE OR FAIR... THAT IS NOT THE POINT."

Your points are false, and obviously skewed. That negates any argument that you might have had.

Oh, and who the fuck are you to try to tell people not to talk about the obvious flaws in your post. I'll talk about whatever the fuck I want. If you don't like it, piss off.

[Texas Hill Country]

32. of course they are flawed and untrue... but I am talking about 527 adverts and soundbite selling...

you miss the point entirely.

I said IN MY OP that the points are flawed.




holy crap

[cali]

35. sorry you don't get to make the rules, so here let me add a few

you missed for Hill

Frank Giustre
Off shore tax shelters (hypocrisy)
Gupta
Hsu
Paul
She's female and that is just as much a detriment as Obama's race. duh
Lack of experience: Do you really think the repukes are going to let her get away with that first lady stuff?
Her involvement in pardons, particularly the 4 hasidic men and Rich.
Her silly lies like being under fire in Bosnia
She's a commie (that's been going around forever)
Vince Foster. Sorry, a lot of people believe it.
Her radial past (Alinsky, The Black Panthers)
Her sleazy brothers

Sorry, you don't seem to understand the pukes and how much they hate her. NOHILLY.

[Texas Hill Country]

38. updated just for you. And they may hate hilly, but avg mid americans are way more scared of Obama

when he is presented like that.


Angry Muslim Black Man that Hates America and Associates with Terrorists both Domestic and Foreign

OR

Shady White Lady with Commie Tendencies



which is scarier to your avg middle american?

[cali]

45. bwahaha. Still dishonest as all get out

You use Rezco as two seperate items but lump Gupta, Giustra, Hsu and Paul in one item for hilly. You condense or omit other obvious repuke attacks. And one thing you've forgotten: Hillary in not likable. She has zip charisma and no teflon. All that counts. It's not just what attacks there will be, but who's best prepared to shrink them down and deflect them. Obama is proving he's far better a fighter and far more adept at that than Hill.

[Texas Hill Country]

47. ill condense just for you and I already had that she is a bitch...

feel better?


and teflon is tangential to the question, but a good point, just tangential

[cali]

49. Not quite, but I think I've made my point

(you have Wright accounting for threee of your 24) You are minimizing Hill's negatives and maximizing Obama's and teflon is definitely NOT tangential to your argument. It'll take much less to do in hill, because she doesn't have any. And man, if you don't think that the repubs aren't going to use some of the fantasic footage of her that she gave them if she's the nom, you're nuts.

[XemaSab]

40. You don't have to dumb yourself down to support Obama.

Come on. We're the big tent candidacy here. :D

[Texas Hill Country]

41. ummmm... yeah.... that doesnt really work in a GE.

[crispini]

42. I am tired of thinking like an "insider" on politics....

and I'm tired of this line of reasoning constantly underestimating the American electorate.

Let me tell you a story; back in 05 I was talking to a friend of mine who was a local campaign manager and cast himself as the consummate political guy. He was Mr. Insider. This was back after the election was over and we were looking at who would be the DNC chair. He was definitely in Martin Frost's camp. He told me that Martin was beloved by all the party insiders and he was a shoo-in for DNC chair. Well, guess what, we Deaniacs got off our butts and called our DNC people. My DNC guy told me he'd never heard from voters before, at all. And we got Dean in, and he gave us the 50 state strategy, and the rest is history.

When I read posts like this I feel like I'm talking to Mr. Political Guy all over again.

Yeah, I see your point. But I am tired of picking our candidates based on what the Republicans might do or might not do. Fuck that noise. I want to pick a candidate I'll be proud to vote for and happy to work for. And after hearing Obama's speech this week, I feel like that about this good man.

I hope and believe that the American electorate can and will rise to the occasion.

[Texas Hill Country]

43. I support that... but still doesnt answer the question.

[crispini]

48. Why not instead make a list of no-brainer positive memes for each candidate?

Easy reasons why people might chose to vote FOR a candidate.

McCAIN
- "Independent-minded, a maverick"
- He'll protect us

um.... that's all I can think of

CLINTON
- She's not George Bush.
- Maybe she'll get us out of the war.
- She might do something on health care
- She's a woman

OBAMA
- He's not George Bush
- Maybe he'll get us out of the war.
- He might do something on health care
- What's this Hope and Change thing he keeps talking about?
- He keeps talking about bipartisanship and changing Washington. I like that.
- He's very different. This country needs something very different.

Face it, either one of them would wipe the floor with Bomb Bomb Iran in the GE. I just like Obama and think he'd do better.

[Bensthename]

51. Clinton voted for the war. Obama didnt. Big sale for Nov.

At least that is the main reason for my support. I was pissed off when Bush took us into Iraq. I have a feeling there are many others that feel the same way. McCain will have a lot harder time fighting Obama on that then Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

52. I have noticed two new ones over the past several weeks -

(1) Obama has dual citizenship (Kenya & U.S.)

(2) Obama is not an American citizen - His mother denounced her U.S. citizenship.
This is combined with his mother the anthropologist was like Margaret Mead - she went native.

This is not true (as far as I know and I think I we would know by now) but as you pointed out - it does not need to be true for the 527s to use it.