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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:23 PM
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Hillary's "I remember landing under sniper fire" Kosovo story, fact checked as bogus...
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 02:24 PM by truthpusher
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

Candidate Watch
Hillary's Balkan Adventures, Part II


Greeting ceremony, Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996.


"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.

The Facts
As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton Peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. Air Force base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Force base was not Hillary, but Bill, on January 13, 1996.

Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. "As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," said Pomfret.

According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996, and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.

Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.

(snip)

more here:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:24 PM
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1. Put this in context of Kerry's swiftboating.
Weird.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:19 PM
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14. sniper fire - Sinbad's comedy, same difference
sorry, Sinbad.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:40 PM
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18. This was cleared up right after she said it.
Sinbad was joking about how it was complete bullshit.

And, if it was true... what does that say about her that she would endanger her daughter like that?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:12 AM
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49. But where's the MSM ridiculing her for such ridiculous puffing of herself?
Her "record" is fictional.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:15 PM
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24. ba dum bum.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:25 PM
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2. The MSM needs to be fact checking Hillary more.
It is incredible how many assertions of hers are a bunch of hooey.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:44 PM
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8. It may not be lying. What if that is how she remembers it?
What would that mean?







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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:56 PM
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12. A freudian slip?
She had a lot of other issues on her mind at the time and might have felt she was under attack politically as much as anything else. Maybe it was a metaphorical statement mixed up with some factual memories. I'm trying to think of a charitable interpretation, that's the best I can do.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:38 PM
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17. Interesting idea...
I know nothing about how Freudian slips are generated

Once the nexus is made does it remain in memory for ever?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:43 PM
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34. Hillary has never been under sniper fire.
By saying she has, she denigrates the service of our troops who face sniper fire every day.

If she truly remembered it that way, then she is mentally unstable.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:23 PM
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15. If that's what she remembers, she's delusional.
She's better off being seen as a liar.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:31 PM
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16. she is obviously struggling to create a memorable narative....
....the Obama story and the McCain story even... are so much more interesting than hers...
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:40 PM
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19. That would mean she is delusional.
And is probably not fit to run the country.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:14 PM
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23. what would it mean? That she is in need of a therapist to get her
memories right. My nephew was in Bosnia with the Danish contingent getting his butt shot at. This pisses me off that she would say this if it wasn't true.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:29 PM
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32. Phoney war stories are pretty common among the wannabe
recognized. Just saying...not accusing.






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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:15 PM
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37. Its too bad. My nephew was in Kosovo with NATO at the time and
it was hell. Sheer hell. She wasn't near to that. I feel sorry for her if she has convinced herself that this is true. My boy said it was bombs and dead people all over the place.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:24 PM
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28. If that is her honest recollection, it raises questions about her mental competence
And I, for one, do not believe for a moment that she is mentally incompetent. Therefore, I think that the discrepancy between her representations of these events and the factual record raises serious questions about her conscious veracity.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:27 PM
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31. Reaganesque?
:shrug:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:23 PM
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38. "What would that mean?"
It would mean that America needs a President with a better memory.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:16 AM
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50. "What would that mean?"
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:26 AM by krkaufman
This....

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:26 PM
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3. "..shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss."....
my mistake...i thought she was honoring the little girl for detracting the snipers so hillary's plane could make a safe landing....
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:24 PM
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27. Looks more like the monster's gonna take a bite out of that poor child. n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:27 PM
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4. They look terrified! Run, child, RUUNNNN!!!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:42 PM
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21. Like that new song by... Gnarles Barkley!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:33 PM
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5. When will Clinton realize that her kitchen sink smears and doomed campaign is only hurting herself?
More of her lies are exposed daily.

I believe self-interest is the only thing that will make H. Clinton drop her campaign.

She has already shown her power-grab is more important to her than the Democratic party or the country.

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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:38 PM
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6. she is operating under the delusion that what worked for jr & karl...
will work for her....
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:30 PM
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40. But she is not just hurting herself !
Hillary is hurting the Democratic Party's ability to WIN in 08, and by extension, every American who Works for a Living.
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NanBo Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:42 PM
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7. so it was 'too dangerous' for Bill
so they sent Chelsea according to this pic????
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:54 PM
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11. That's something that has set off my BS detector from the beginning
If it's really dangerous, you don't send the first lady or the president's kid. Especially not for what's basically a meet&greet photo op. Or is it WAS dangerous and Bill sent her anyway, doesn't that say something awful about Bill? :shrug:
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:19 PM
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13. she's taking advantage of the fact that nobody will take the time to check..
...this one out.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:25 PM
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29. Bill was busy "shooting" Monica in the Oval Office. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:28 PM
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39. I wonder how Chelsea feels watching her mother....
..tell outright LIES?

Hillary to Chelsea: "Now ,Honey....Lies are BAD. But it is OK when a Clinton does it.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 05:23 PM
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55. DING DING DING! NanBo, you're our grand prize winner!
...(I)t was 'too dangerous' for Bill...so they sent Chelsea...?

I never made it past that sentence--If it's too dangerous for a head of state, how can it possibly be safe enough for a spouse and children?

:crazy:
rocknation
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:50 PM
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9. HA-ha
:P
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:53 PM
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10. liar, liar, pantsuits on fire. nt
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:44 PM
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22. ...
:spray: lol. You almost made my drink come out my nose. :spank:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:40 PM
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20. Wasn't Sinbad along to protect her?
:rofl:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:17 PM
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25. HiLIARy strikes again...
I also enjoyed the story she told about having been named for Sir Edmund Hillary, because he climbed Everest...






... several years after she was born.



:eyes:

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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:22 PM
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26. I hate to say this, but...
Senator Clinton's representation of these events must be the product of either fabrication or delusion.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:27 PM
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30. just like when Chelsea was near the WTC on 911 n/t
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:30 PM
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35. ?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:30 PM
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36. ?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:41 PM
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33. What a nice example she is setting for Chelsea.
Chelsea knows her mother is lying her ass off.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:31 PM
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41. It's obviously bogus. They're going to land the First Lady's plane in a storm of bullets & ammo?
I don't think so.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:33 PM
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42. Would Sinbad and Sheryl Crow please step forward?
Let's hear their accounts of the trip. Also Chelsea's.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:53 PM
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43. A pic is worth a thousand words.
The picture in the OP is from the tarmac at Tuzla, where Hillary said she was RUNNING FOR COVER!

:rofl:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:57 PM
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44. Looks like she was taking cover behind 12 year old Chelsea and the other little girl.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:28 PM
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45. Hillary provides backup to her statement. Link with citations:
http://thepage.time.com/clinton-camp-memo-on-obamas-foreign-policy-attacks/

Should CNN and the Charleston Gazette not agree with her account, I'm sure we'll hear about it soon enough.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:32 PM
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46. Says nothing about being shot at.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 07:32 PM by PM7nj
It says about how she went there, which no one is denying. It's her embellishments about landing in Kosovo that she is being called on.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:43 PM
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47. I'm pretty sure it was this guy who was causing the trouble...
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:55 PM
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48. Wasn't Sinbad Actually in a Comedy About Protecting The President's Son?
I'm afraid of finding out the answer to this, but somewhere in my databanks I recall seeing a trailer for a movie where Sinbad watches the First Kid, teaching him how to dance and other lessons of life - basically a pale imitation of the Richard Pryor/Jackie Gleason classic, The Toy.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:18 AM
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51. Where's that MSM that had to create stories about Gore supposedly lying?
We're tripping over Hillary's lies, but the MSM is letting her slide.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:32 AM
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52. The media only likes to propagate their own lies
If they don't make it up it ain't news.


You make a really great point. When does the media report mistruths? Apparently they can only report them when they are the ones making them up.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:55 PM
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56. Obviously, a lot depends on the target. And Hillary has been off-limits ...
... since she started working the refs.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:06 PM
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57. You Mean Like The Washington Post?
Aren't they the ones publishing the OP link?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:35 AM
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53. Wasn't she with Bill O'Reilly on that trip?
This is the kind of thing that could do major damage to her campaign.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:12 PM
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54. Hillary's arrival at hot lz! Running for cover! Must get to the base!!!
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:56 PM
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58. .
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:41 AM
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59. She's clearly using that child as a human shield.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:44 AM
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60. Well if she remembers something that didn't happen, maybe she suffers some kind
of mental disorder. Delusional comes to mind.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:48 AM
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61. Error
Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours :hi:
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