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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:43 AM
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Wow - Obama has nearly converted Charles Murray!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTM4MjJkYmNhMjM5MjQ1YzVhNzhjMTE3NzQ1ZWI4MjU=

My Last Word on Obama, I Promise.

To all my friends and people I admire who have completely befuddled me with their reaction to Obama’s speech: Speaking or writing about difficult race problems is different from speaking or writing about any other public policy issue. If you take a position on the Iraq war or health care, you will attract reaction from people who say you’re crazy, but they will be responding to what you actually said and, more or less, to how you actually meant it. The same is not true of race. Text that deals with a difficult racial issue is like a Rorschach ink blot. People project onto that text—project their own experiences, anxieties, angers; all the emotions that go into thinking about race, which means all the emotions that exist. You can weigh every word of your text. You can rewrite it until you think there is absolutely no way that a fair-minded person can fail to understand what you said. And they will not only fail to understand it, they will accuse you of saying exactly the opposite of what you said.

“Murray just has hurt feelings about The Bell Curve,” I hear from the bleachers. Well, yeah. But the problem generalizes to everyone who tries to be honest about race, and now it has happened to Barack Obama. Take, for example, the treatment of his reference to his white grandmother. Of course you can go after him in all the ways that people have gone after him—if what you want to do is go after him. But suppose you approach Obama’s text under the twin assumptions that (a) he is trying to communicate with you, and, (b) your obligation is to make a good-faith effort to understand his meaning. I read what he said about his grandmother, and his words left me in no doubt about two things: He really loves his grandmother, and he was saying something important about race that I recognized from my own experience. I bet many of the people who have slammed him recognize it from their own experience too. The guy was being honest, and he was being right. What the hell more do you want?

Ah, but he was trashing his grandmother for political purposes, he was equating what she said with the much more terrible things that Rev. Wright said, blah, blah, blah. Yes—if you insist on interpreting what he said purely as an exercise in political positioning. No, if you go to his text with the intention of trying to understand what Obama thinks about race.

I understand how naïve it is to read a presidential candidate’s speech as if it were anything except political positioning, but that leads me to my final point: It’s about time that people who disagree with Obama’s politics recognize that he is genuinely different. When he talks, he sounds like a real human being, not a politician. I’m not referring to the speechifying, but to the way he comes across all the time. We’ve had lots of charming politicians. I cannot think of another politician in my lifetime who conveys so much sense of talking to individuals, and talking to them in ways that he sees as one side of a dialogue. Conservatives who insist that he’s nothing but an even slicker Bill Clinton are missing a reality about him, and at their peril.

I can’t vote for him. He is an honest-to-God lefty. He apparently has learned nothing from the 1960s. His Supreme Court nominees would be disasters. And maybe he is too green and has lived too much of his adult life in a politically correct bubble. But the other day he talked about race in ways that no other major politician has tried to do, with a level of honesty that no other major politician has dared, and with more insight than any other major politician possesses. Not bad.

03/21 10:36 AM
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:53 AM
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1. that is a very good read.
thank you for posting.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:54 AM
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2. Very well thought post.. thank you :-)
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:08 AM
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3. Good read, but "not bad"? That seems like rather small praise given the what he said
I guess he has trouble giving an honest-to-God lefty full and proper credit, so instead we get that begrudging compliment at the end. Kind of amusing.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:27 AM
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7. I got the idea
that "Not bad" was ironic understatement. Kind of like saying it's raining pretty good, when it's actually putting the rivers out of their banks.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:36 AM
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8. Hmm, maybe. Hard to say.
That's the problem of with text, I guess. It can be hard to tell the intent without all the cues we'd have in person.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:10 AM
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4. Fuck Charles Murray, repeatedly...
His "scholarship" is partially responsible for welfare reform. He's a cretin. He cherrypicks information to support his theories, and basically writes the most controversial stuff to get attention. :puke:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:19 AM
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6. With a chainsaw. Sideways.
Murray helped to thwart progress in race relations in this country, while smugly pretending to be an objective observer. I fucking hate people like him. They are as dangerous, if not more so, than crazy preachers. They promote an agenda, while disguising it as "science".
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:58 AM
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9. ...and a rusty chainsaw at that
quite possibly the most odious homo sapien of our generation.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:11 AM
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5. "He is an honest-to-God lefty"
Actually, Kucinich is.

But Barack's a close second.

And 'lefty' is a compliment, so I'll take it.

Can't wait for those SCOTUS appointments.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:05 PM
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10. No surprise. Fellow racial IQ crank Andrew Sullivan is already on board.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:16 PM
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11. sully had an epiphany
when he heard obama speak about tax reform. it occurred to him that he had listened to a black person speak intelligently about a complex issue, and he patted himself on the back for his racial revelation :eyes: it won't surprise me when these converted rats start jumping from the obama ship.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:56 PM
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12. Murray's first step on the road to redemption.
"When he talks, he sounds like a real human being, not a politician. I’m not referring to the speechifying, but to the way he comes across all the time. We’ve had lots of charming politicians."

Murray's Bell Curve was some of the worst research ever widely reviewed by the
public. It was based on a biased sample, men registering for the Army in WWII I think, and his use of statistics would make Karl Rove envious.

I suppose that this is a start, a small one, but a start.

Next Murray can admit that his work on race and intelligence is pure trash.
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