Is this Rev. Wright sitting next to Hillary at Bill's "I have sinned" prayer breakfast?

[dkf]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/ministers091298.htm



With tearing eyes and a trembling voice, President Clinton succeeded yesterday in convincing a room full of religious leaders that he was genuinely sorry about his affair with Monica S. Lewinsky and embarrassed about the way he handled it. One after another, ministers, rabbis and imams left the White House prayer breakfast saying they were moved by the sight of the most powerful man in the world humbling himself so thoroughly before them.

Dozens of those who spoke afterward said they were confident that the speech marked a turning point on Clinton's road to personal salvation. Even many who had once been reluctant to forgive the president set aside any concerns they had about being used to provide moral cover and conveyed their approval.

[Colobo]

1. Yes he is.

[slinkerwink]

2. link to bigger image here

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. Well If It's Him, He's Wearing Different Glasses. n/t

[slinkerwink]

14. the glasses look the same to me and so does the nose

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. No Way. The Ear Handles Are Way Higher Up On One Pair Than The Other Pair.

How can you not see that?

[slinkerwink]

19. don't you see the moustache?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. I'm Talking About The Glasses. They Are Different.

[slinkerwink]

26. no, they're not

It's the head angle.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. Might Be. But Based On The Curvature And Where The Handles Appear, I'm Still Not Convinced.

I'm not against it not being him either though, since there are definitely multiple similarities. But even with the head angle taken into consideration, the handles still seem to be much higher up on the frames than the other pair, and it seems that on the one on the right, the handle starts above the downward curvature, whereas the pair on the left it is in the middle of the curvature.

But I can't say for sure that's not him, but then it doesn't much matter to me either. His being there that day is so irrelevant to this story it isn't even funny. I'm amazed what people will run with and latch onto. Him being at the whitehouse in the past isn't going to do a thing to change the minds of people that found his words and sermons offensive, and it doesn't even in the slightest way implicate the clintons nor deem them to be hypocrites, as some ignoramuses have charged. This whole "he went to the WH with Bill!" story just totally makes zero sense to me as it relates to the controversy. It ain't going to change the minds or mindset of anyone.

[stillcool]

39. It's kind of funny..

You can eviscerate another human being on the basis of excerpts from one sermon, but you are totally dis-interested in any other day in the same man's life. Do you judge yourself the same way?

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Biography

Considered a preacher par excellence, the Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia. His parents, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Sr. and Dr. Mary Henderson Wright, were his earliest influences, instilling in him the possibility of balancing the intellectual with the spiritual. Armed with this philosophical upbringing, Wright has pastored Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ since 1972, seeing its membership grow from eighty0seven adult members to a congregation of nearly 10,000. Wright's early education took place in Philadelphia's public schools. From there, he went on to earn a B.A. and an M.A. from Howard University, an M.A. from the University of Chicago and a doctorate in divinity from United Theological College, where he studied under the eminent Samuel DeWitt Proctor.

Wright takes seriously not only the call to worship but also the call to take action as mandated by the Gospel. Under his leadership, Trinity adopted the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian" and has set out to make activism within and on behalf of the African American community a key aspect of the church's mission. An outspoken community leader, Wright has been vocal in making once-taboo issues, such as AIDS, a priority within the African American church leadership and service. His commitment to political activism, coupled with his dedication to the African American sermonic tradition, has made him a highly sought-after speaker nationally and internationally.

Wright is the recipient of numerous awards, including three honorary doctorates and three presidential commendations. An accomplished musician and author, Wright has written four books, numerous articles and countless sermons and was named one of Ebony's top fifteen preachers. In addition to national and international ministry, Wright serves on several boards of directors and committees. Married to the Reverend Ramah Reed Wright, Wright has five children and three grandchildren.

Wright was interviewed by The HistoryMakers on January 11, 2002.
http://www.thehistorymakers.com/biography/biography.asp?bioindex=331&category=religionMakers

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. It's Kinda Funny...

You can accuse me of eviscerating another human being on the basis of excerpts from one sermon, yet I have done no such thing.

Get a hold of yourself pal. You look silly to me.

[stillcool]

51. I always note your posts....

...pal... Eviscerating is what you do. The targets of your drive-by hits vary, but the self-righteous arrogance is always apparent. One trick pony.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. You Said I Eviscerated Rev Wright. I've Done No Such Thing. You Are Wrong, As Usual.

But then, I expect nothing less from you, since you often over react and knee jerk to the point of sheer inaccuracy and self embarrassment...

[stillcool]

53. I think you are right...

I apologize. I don't think you have eviscerated Reverend Wright. Must have been a little projecting on my part. Mea Culpa.

[JackORoses]

44. same eyebrows, same forehead, same nose...It's him alright.

[anonymeme]

66. OK. The 2 Photos May Be Wright, BUT I Respectfully Disagree That His Eyebrows Are The Same Look:

OK. The 2 Photos May Be Wright, BUT I Respectfully Disagree That His Eyebrows Are The Same Look:

In the B&W shot his eyebrows are rounded like this:




In the color shot, they are curvy...

............like this:



And do you really think that sitting next to someone at one breakfast is the same as being friends with that person, having them marry you and your spouse, baptize your children and attend that person's church for 20 years?

[anonymeme]

62. BLACK & WHITE DETAIL PIC IS NOT FROM LARGER PHOTO - EXPRESSION & EYEBROWS ARE DIFFERENT -PLUS -

BLACK & WHITE DETAIL PIC IS NOT FROM LARGER PHOTO - EXPRESSION & EYEBROWS ARE DIFFERENT - PLUS - OTHER THINGS SUCH AS THE ANGLE OF THE SHOT AND THE HAND POINTING TO THE LEFT IS NOT IN THE LARGER PHOTO. AND THE FACE IN THE LARGER PHOTO IS OBSCURED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S HEAD -- WHERE DID THAT HEAD GO IN THE DETAIL -- THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PHOTO!

YOU KNOW PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE SO FOND OF TELLING CAUCASIANS THAT WE CANNOT TELL ONE PERSON OF COLOR FROM ANOTHER -- JUST LOOK AT YOU OBAMAPHILES -- YOU CANNOT SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN EXPRESSION OR EYEBROW SHAPE IN A PERSON OF COLOR THAT AN OLD "HONKY" BROAD LIKE ME CAN SEE!

*ARRRRRGH!* ~*:banghead:~*:banghead:~*:banghead:~*:banghead: ...:nuke:

[psychopomp]

73. It's him

Seated next to Mrs. Clinton.

[JackORoses]

42. the angle is different. That is Wright.

Ignoring it will not change the fact.

Hillary must denounce and reject this photo immediately!

[anonymeme]

60. DOCTORED PHOTOS + DETAIL NOT FROM LARGER SHOT. OBAMANIACS WILL STOOP AS LOW THEY CAN GO!

DOCTORED PHOTOS + DETAIL NOT FROM LARGER SHOT. OBAMANIACS WILL STOOP AS LOW THEY CAN GO!

Proving again & again that their low is as low as it gets!

[JackORoses]

61. Bold Large Text does not prove your point.

But it does suggest you might once have ridden the short bus to school.

[anonymeme]

63. There Would Have to Be a Brain on the Obama Side Capable of Getting the Point Anyway, So Whatever...

NT

[roguevalley]

65. hey! don't use caps. you're rude and no one will honor your point

of view. but then, given the insults included, who would?

[psychopomp]

31. Perhaps you need a pair yourself

It's him.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Might Be, But The Arms Of The Glasses Still Appear To Be In Completely Different Locations.

Even taking head angle into consideration, it still seems like they come out of different places.

Like I said though: I couldn't care less if it's him or not. Both photos are still highly irrelevant as they relate to anything.

[psychopomp]

34. Thanks for kicking this thread

:toast:

[BornBlue]

56. Ummmm, anyone else here wear glasses?

Because I do, and you need to buy NEW ones every so often. I think it is quite likely that since this photo was taken, he got new glasses. Frames go out of style or get broken that could explain why they don't appear to be the same. Besides what does it matter, I don't think style of glasses is a deciding factor in who someone is or isn't.

[dchill]

36. So am I...

and so are most people - who wore glasses 10 years ago and still wear them now.

[Traction311]

40. That article was from September 12, 1998

Your glasses last 10 years?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Pssssssstttttt....... Hey...... You....... C'mere........

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!! Between you and me, shhhhhhhh, don't tell nobody now, ya hear? But between you and me........ the post I was responding to had been comparing two pictures from the same day... shhhhhh!!! SHHHHHHH!!!!! Keep that to yourself, lest you look like a complete and utter fool...

[anonymeme]

59. DOCTORED PHOTOS + DETAIL NOT FROM LARGER SHOT. OBAMANIACS WILL STOOP AS LOW THEY CAN GO!

DOCTORED PHOTOS + DETAIL NOT FROM LARGER SHOT. OBAMANIACS WILL STOOP AS LOW THEY CAN GO!

Proving again & again that their low is as low as it gets!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. God You're An Idiot. Go Away Please.

[npincus]

18. It IS him!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Bingo!!!!!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. Same slope of the forehead, nose and glasses

Plus the mustache...........good one!!

[npincus]

23. LOL- just sent to David Gregory.

[psychmommy]

64. to be fair

the guy next to hill could be chaka fattah (not sure of spelling), a philly congressman. they do seem to favor each other. any philly people out there to weigh in.
i am an obama fan and would relish the irony of the situation but, we need more detail to go on.

[eridani]

72. Other attendee's hairdo is hiding the chin

That maks it hard to tell. Also his hairline is distinctive and that doesn't show in the 2nd photo.

[Hepburn]

3. No wonder the Hillary Campaign has been sooooooooo....

....silent on the issue of Wright.

Thanks for the OP and the pic...very interesting, IMO.

[babylonsister]

9. But they haven't:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/asked_whether_advisers_are_pus.php

Hillary Doesn't Deny Camp Pushing Wright Story

Asked Whether Advisers Are Pushing Wright Story, Hillary Demurs
By Greg Sargent - March 20, 2008, 6:26PM

I missed this earlier, but it must be flagged. Asked about today's big story that her advisers are telling the super-dels that the Wright controversy should make them nervous about Obama's hopes in the general, Hillary demured:

When asked, Clinton ignored the Wright portion of the question and said "well my campaign has been making the case that I am the most electable that I have said that for a year or more that I am the person best able to make the challenges that our country faces as commander in chief."

When Clinton was then asked specifically if her campaign was pushing the Wright story -- she shrugged and took the next question, ignoring the reporter.

Subsequently, however, Hillary spokesperson Doug Hattaway offered some clarification to ABC News: "She was and is unaware of anyone on the campaign pushing issue with superdelegates. She wants anyone who is talking to superdelegates to focus on our message, which is that she's best prepared to be president and beat John McCain."

It's worth noting that when ABC asked the spokesperson whether Hillary was calling on advisers to refrain from using Wright as part of their argument, he said: "Since she is unaware of anyone doing that, I assume it hasn't come up."

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And then there's this...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5159510

[gateley]

4. Anyone else choke on this?:

Dozens of those who spoke afterward said they were confident that the speech marked a turning point on Clinton's road to personal salvation.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. No, no, really, it WASN'T political bullshit.

I'm convinced of that much. :patriot:

[blogslut]

5. It could be

Hard to tell given the sized of the WP image.

[bunnies]

7. Next to Hillary. A place of honor, no?

Interesting.

[dkf]

8. Yeah, you would think Hillary would be the one needing support the most

having to watch her hubby go on about Monicagate.

[bunnies]

12. Certainly they wouldnt sit an america-hating preacher next to the first lady.

Seems to me they'd sit her with someone she'd be comfortable turning to. Very telling.

[psychopomp]

10. I want to hear Sen. Clinton talk about "The Honorable Reverand Wright"

I guess I shouldn't hold my breath...

[Arkansas Granny]

32. Considering the reaction when she was questioned about Obama's

faith on 60 Minutes, I can see why she has not made any statement about Reverend Wright.

[Coexist]

11. it looks like him but I cant' be sure.

[Schema Thing]

15. I can't tell; fourteens all look alike to me.

[DemzRock]

17. Did the Clintons call Wright a mentor? Did they name a book after his words? Nope? Oh, well. n/t

[guruoo]

20. Simple photo op does not equal membership in Wright's church

[slinkerwink]

22. if he was fit enough for the White House....enough to sit next to Hillary

why are they making him out to be a demon out of those three-minute clips?

[guruoo]

27. When did Wright make the statements contained in those clips?

Stretching the facts like this, especially using RW sources will only fuel more infighting.

(BTW: I have never held Obama personally responsible for Wright's statements.)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. If you go there the "Sat there for 20 years" meme goes right out the window.

Just sayin'.

[EFerrari]

46. You've never even heard Wright's statements. You watched

a cooked clip. Go see what he really said:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5187302

[jenmito]

47. He made one after 9/11 and others in later years. Doesn't matter. Obama's blamed for staying in

his church for twenty years, so apparently the media is saying he MUST'VE been giving similar speeches all those years.

[SoonerPride]

24. Oh, you can be sure they vetted him thoroughly

They don't just let any old crazy militant radical black man sit next ot hte first lady and speak at the very lilly WHITE house.

No no no!

They would thoroughly scrub the history of the man. FBI checks, see if he's on any watch lists of "troublemakers," etc.

Nope.

He was OK to be hugged and loved by the Clintons when it suited them and then she has the fucking temerity to suggest because Obama ALSO associated himself with the man that he is damaged goods and the supers should pick her?

What a hypocrite!

[zulchzulu]

30. They were lettin' everybody in during those Monica years...

:rofl:

It's Wright. Get over it.

[EFerrari]

37. That's not the point. He stood by Bill when Bill was in trouble

but when Fox tried to make him look nuts and militant, the Clintons were nowhere.

[KittyWampus]

45. publicly the Clintons were silent. Behind the scenes they were busy pushing it

[FrenchieCat]

49. Hillary Clinton and her campaign watched as it happened and say nothing.

The photo of Bill and Wright will serve her as a reminder that playing Judah is not a Democratic Trai, when she goes back to the Senate. For the Clintons to personally have known Rev. Wright and for neither to have stood up and acknowledge that fact was digusting. They, in essence, sat on the sideline to watch his destruction while not giving a fuck....when they could have objected to the demonization of Rev. Wright as he was there for their hour in need. As usual, the Clintons' silence was due to what it meant to them politically....which means they have no scruples and anyone and anything is expandable. Think about it.

Now this photo of Wright sitting next to Hillary at the prayer breakfast....means that much more, i.e., that they didn't just shake hands.

I find this beyond forgiveness; what Hillary has allowed to be done in her quest for power.

[guruoo]

69. Neither has Obama.

[psychopomp]

35. kick

:kick:

[kwenu]

38. Obviously, Hillary must be a racist if this is true.

:sarcasm:

[psychopomp]

48. No, it is just astounding that Sen. Clinton sat by while Rev. Wright was given the Willie Horton

treatment. Now, you can question her motives, but you cannot question the fact that she must have known all along that this is the same distinguished Rev. Wright who sat next to her as she listened to her husband talk about finding redemption after his public fall from grace.

Moreover, she surely knew that Sen. Obama went to Trinity when she made the "I take him at his word" response to the question of whether or not she believed that Sen. Obama is secretly a Muslim.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: Anything to Win.

[kwenu]

50. I agree with you. Did you see that thing that indicates "sarcasm."

[psychopomp]

68. I guess it was hard to tell what you meant

:shrug:

[RememberWellstone]

54. 20 years versus 20 minutes

You be the judge at what meant the most.

[wowimthere]

55. Again... trying to keep this thing going... won't work... AS soon as...

the sermons of other pastors endorsing these candidates comes out, Wright will look like a Saint.

[wowimthere]

57. The Clintons aren't silent for this reason... alone. Just wait til...

core democrats get a load of the church she attends. It's coming soon. Obama did best to get this behind him. Rezko went away. Wright will too.

Hillary's tax papers are out there... still to be scrutinized.
Hillary's religion has yet to be unveiled. That will come soon along with McCain's. Huffingtonpost has brought one out on Front page.
Hillary's and her husband's donor lists have yet to be explored.

[Beacool]

58. So what?

It's just like the Rezko photo, presidents and first ladies meet thousands of people. The Clintons did not have a 20 year relationship with Wright.

What's your point?

[psychopomp]

70. Please see my post #48

I think it sums up why I believe it is a very telling photograph.

[gtar100]

71. Does this really matter?

Not in the least, my dear forensic investigators. Other than maybe it's fun.