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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:00 AM
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Some truths about Jeremiah Wright . . .
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:08 AM by EffieBlack
I found these articles, written years ago, about Rev. Jeremiah Wright in about 40 seconds on Lexis-Nexis. It's unfortunate that the MSM and others who are vilifying Rev. Wright have not bothered to make the effort to find out a little about the man before judging his entire life and career based upon three 15-second soundbytes.

I can't help wondering what the reaction to Rev. Wright would have been - especially here on DU - if people had first learned a little more about him. Among other things, they would have known that Rev. Wright has been fighting against injustice for years, believes that the church must push for tolerance and social justice, and not foist its view of religious morality on others, spoke up against the Iraq War from the beginning, and, long before it was popular to do so in his community, stepped up to speak out against homophobia and used his church to teach AIDS/HIV awareness and to offer comfort, compassion and support for those who suffer from it.

This man is hardly a racist demagogue. He is a compassionate, committed man who is doing just what we say ministers SHOULD do. Yes, he's angry - we all are, or at least should be. As Bill Clinton said during his troubles, "No person wants to be judged based upon his worst day."

Rev. Wright has stepped up and put himself on the line to fight for what he believes in and does not deserve the vitriol, slander, attacks and vicious mischaracterization he has been subjected to. And I sincerely doubt that, if people had taken the time to learn a little something about him before blindly and mindlessly joining into the Right Wing onslaught against him, this whole situation would not have gotten so out of hand - at the expense of a man who does not deserve to be treated this way.

Sen. Barack Obama's Pastor Frames Progressive Issues Through Lens of Faith
Religion News Service
March 10, 2005

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor sounds frustrated. Although his sermons are passionate, even fiery at times, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a man with soft gray eyes and skin the color of latte, is normally even tempered. But when talking about how religious conservatives have pushed issues such as gay rights and stem cell research into the forefront, his voice becomes taut and his rebuke direct. Those who focus on these issues are building themselves up at the expense of others and, while the Bible has many references to right and wrong, Jesus only spoke against people who judged others, Wright says.
. . .
The fact that Obama chose Trinity is no accident. In a sea of conservative black churches, Trinity stands out in that it has welcomed in gay members, done outreach to people living with AIDS and advocated progressive positions on many social issues . . . Today, Wright is quick to call those who voted for President Bush "stupid" and chastise the public for letting issues like housing for the poor "fall off the radar screen."
. . .
The fact that the church and Wright himself bridge both worlds is one of the things that impressed Obama the most. "He hasn't lost the common touch," Obama says. "He can read Hebrew and Greek, yet he can also stand on the street corner and talk to the guys there."

Obama says one of the things he has learned from Wright is that the Bible is full of references to poor people and how they should be treated. This, Obama says, is one of the points he would like Democrats to point out when Republicans try to take the religious high ground with talk of moral values . . . On a broader level, Wright says the discussion needs to move away from subjects that should be between individuals and God, such as people's sexual orientation. Instead, Wright would like to see Obama and the Democrats point out the immorality of decisions made by Bush and his neoconservative advisers.

"Where is the morality in millions of people having no insurance, and millions of people being jobless?" Wright asks. "Where is the morality of lying about a link between Sadaam Husein and 9/11 and then leading us into an unjust, immoral war? Where is the morality of saying that you are not building up troops when you are? Clinton lied, but no one died. I think we need to bring up the immorality of these issues and harp on them. We need to keep pushing them."

BLACKS IN AGONIZING FIGHT AGAINST HIDDEN HOMOPHOBIA, AIDS
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

October 18, 1998

Stepping into the pulpit on Chicago's Southside, a man dressed in an African robe announces, “I have AIDS, and I got it from having sex with a man." . . . Anthony Hollins, 32, who is black, gay and a pillar of the Trinity United Church of Christ as leader of its dance ministry, has just disclosed his illness and his homosexuality to 1,500 members of his church. A few people clap, then more, until the whole congregation and choir stand and applaud while Hollins weeps.

Hollins was bringing home two issues many in the African-American community find hard to confront - AIDS and homosexuality - in one of the most prominent places in black communities, the church . . . Yet most black churches, unlike Trinity, are themselves conflicted about homosexuality, with the result that they often fail to reach one of the most disenfranchised groups of African-American society. Studies have found that homophobia and a lack of preventative AIDS education make black gays highly risk-prone in their practice of sex.

By this summer, and with the support of his pastor, he made a presentation called, "A Time for Healing: An African-American Man Living With HIV-AIDS . . . The head of the church's AIDS ministry and the church's minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., speaks about how "homophobia, myopia and utopia (belief in a perfect world)," sustain fear and ignorance of the disease. Wright has dealt with AIDS and homosexuality openly, preaching compassion since the late 1970s. He has talked of 'myself as a recovering homophobic' and sanctioned programs in which AIDS patients told their stories within the church. An AIDS ministry, formed in 1992, gives its members a 20-hour training course and has had up to 100 members.

The national denomination of the United Church of Christ takes an “open and affirming” stance on homosexuality, Wright said. However, when Trinity began its public discussion of AIDS and homosexuality, ignorance and contempt was rife. Wright said he heard “Lord, straighten out these homosexuals” from within the congregation during open prayer. Homophobia may be stronger among African Americans than the population as a whole because of a “rabid macho mind-set,” Wright said


BLACK CHURCHES SHOULD LEAD THE FIGHT FOR AIDS AWARENESS

Greensboro News & Record
November 28, 1998

President Clinton recently earmarked $ 156 million for a comprehensive federal minority AIDS effort. This comes amid reports that black people, who account for more than half of new HIV infections, are more than eight times more likely than white people to contract the virus. AIDS is the leading killer of black people under age 35.

“The AIDS crisis in our communities of color is a national one,” Clinton said.
. . .
Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ started its AIDS ministry in 1992. In 1995, Pastor Jeremiah Wright asked his parishioners to stand if they knew someone who had died of AIDS. One-third of the 2,000 member congregation stood up.



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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:05 AM
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1. Here's another truth:
Jeremiah Wright and World Wide AIDS Day at TUCC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncgG5Bic-0
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:24 AM
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14. I watched that video yesterday and as a physician I highly applaud Wright on his efforts in the vid.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:39 AM
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24. I do, too. He's being proactive, and he's educating his flock.
What's not to like about that?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:59 AM
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26. You can tell he deeply loves them.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:07 AM
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2. So you disagree with Obama about Wright's comments? nt
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:10 AM
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4. Not at all - I agree that those comments were offensive AND I agree with Obama that
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:12 AM by EffieBlack
those comments do not show the full measure of the man and that those who focus on them to the exclusion of everything else Rev. Wright has said and done are wrong.

Why is that so difficult to understand?
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:17 AM
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10. Because I don't give a person a pass because they have
at sometime in their life done good. All of us are good and bad. But the lie Obama told to cover up the 20 years of his silence tells me all I need to know about Obama.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:22 AM
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12. You've got it
the wrong way round.

You don't disown someone because they have sometime in their life done bad when the good outweighs the bad a hundred-fold.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:27 AM
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16. There's a difference between "giving someone a pass" and attacking them nonstop for
days, calling them racist, hateful, demagogue, and worse, smearing him, dragging him through the mud and NEVER EVER putting his comments into the context of his entire life and career.

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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:32 AM
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18. I was thinking the other day...
With Sunday mornings, wedding, funerals, et. al., a pastor probably spends about 200 hours a year in the pulpit. With a 35-year pastoral career, that means that Rev. Wright has logged about 7,000 hours sermonizing.

And what we've got here is a "highlight reel" with 5-10 minutes of his most incendiary language.

Move on...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:09 AM
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3. The Swiftboaters aren't interested in the truth
Wright was invited by Bill Clinton to the White Houseduring his troubles but no one would be interested in that.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:11 AM
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5. True - but I hope that true Democrats are
although I have my doubts after the last week on this board, where you can't tell the so-called Dems apart from the Swiftboaters, freepers and MSM.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:20 AM
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11. unfortunately the CLinton and McCain campaigns are the Swiftboaters
sad when Democrats try to eat their own.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:14 AM
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6. Effie, have you heard the full video of Rev. Wright's tapes?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:17 AM by Window
Do yourself a favor and give a quick listen to see how Fox lied and distorted Wright. I promise you will not believe this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ "911 context"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw "GD America context"


Read this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5187302
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:15 AM
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7. It tears at me more and more each day what has been done to this
man's career, to his life's work and reputation.. because he is black and close to Barack Obama.

Yes.. I said what I said. Because NO other firey pastor has ever been vilified like this. The sermons given from a black, socially engaged pulpit are much about theatrics, about over-the-top rhetoric.. and if this man were a threat to America he'd have been arrested or this would have been brought to light long ago, and his congregation would have left.

So yes, this is racially and politically motivated. It is sick and vile. I hope those who care are sending letters or cards of support to Jeremiah Wright and Trinity. I know I am.. its very little, but I want the people in that church to know SOME of us see the injustice.

Thanks Effie.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:16 AM
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8. You are absolutely right and that is an excellent suggestion
I will do it today. Thanks.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:33 AM
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20. Bullshit - he's ANOTHER ASSHOLE preacher - one of too many that obama seems
please to associated with - just like that fuck mcglurkin...

I am sick of the HYPOCRICY...

and what's worse are the IDIOTS still TRYING to defend the INDEFENSIBLE...
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:16 AM
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9. He's a remarkable leader...
The African American community has been crippled by its own homophobia, and that is in part what has allowed AIDS to rage on unchecked.

In Cincinnati a few years back, they had an ordinance in the City Charter that specifically precluded the city from protecting people on account of sexual orientation. It literally enshrined discrimination into the City Charter.

When it came time to overturn this odious bit of legislation, the homophobes in Cincinnati had a powerful ally -- the Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth. A confidant of Martin Luther King Jr. and one of the lions of the Civil Rights Movement, Rev. Shuttlesworth appeared in advertisements aimed at keeping the gay ordinance in the City Charter, arguing that gay rights are "special" rights and should not be allowed.

It was heart-breaking for me to see a man, who I admired and respected so much, allow himself to be used in such a despicable manner. But that's the hold the homophobia has, even over the most decent of people.

The fact the Rev. Wright leads a congregation of reconciliation and outreach to those suffering from AIDS speaks volumes about his character.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:23 AM
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13. Deleted - because I spoke too soon!
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:33 AM by EffieBlack
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:27 AM
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15. Then that was a darned fine Fred Shuttlesworth Impersonator they had...
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:29 AM by Jeff In Milwaukee
Rev. Shuttlesworth on gay rights: "Homosexuality is a sin. The color of a man's skin is not a sin, it is who he is. Thus, gays have no place in the civil rights movement."

Read On:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/14/loc_gayrepeal14.html

Edit: I don't post this to start a flame war. I was very sad when this happened, as was just about every other progressive in Cincinnati (I lived there at the time). I'm just saying that Rev. Wright has shown real leadership on this issue at a time when even the best people (like Rev. Shuttlesworth) could not see the forest for the trees.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:32 AM
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19. Then I stand corrected
I thought you were talking about the 1993 ordinance, which Shuttlesworth did not endorse - I was not aware of this endorsement. I apologize.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:33 AM
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21. I can see where you'd make the mistake...
I was speechless when I saw the ad. Simply speechless.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:31 AM
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17. Wow - still trying to defend that fucking ASSHOLE preacher...disgusting...
yes - a broken clock is right twice a day, too...

he's STILL an ASSHOLE, and obama is an IDIOT for STILL trying to defend him, just like you all are...

simply DISGUSTING...

sorry, no sale...
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:38 AM
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23. A broken clock right twice a day?
So, in your mind, a career of thousands of hours of sermons and countless more hours of good works is the "twice a day" and three 15-second soundbytes is the clock?

Wow.

In fact, it is just the opposite and you are helping to make my point. Even a fine-tuned clock is occasionally inaccurate.

Your insistence on harping on these tiny snippets, while ignoring the overwhelmingly positive work that he has done in his life and career - and attacking those of us who are clearminded enough to be able to assess the whole of this man and not just a couple of sentences he uttered in frustration and anger - says much more about you and your ignorant, narrow-minded cohorts on the right than it does about Rev. Wright, Sen. Obama or anyone who refuses to join into your ill-informed hate orgy.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:37 AM
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22. Look it doesn't matter.
Rev. Wright screwed up. Obama screwed by saying that he had never heard the Rev. speak like that and then Obama says that he did. And now Obama say his Grandmother is "just your typical white". You can't go around saying that kind of stuff. But will Obamas bonehead mistakes stop me from voting for him if he is the nominee or Hillary. Hell No! Why because when it come down to it I'm A Democratic.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:42 AM
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25. Obama never said he never heard him speak like that and then said he did
You are buying the Right Wing Talking Points, i.e., lies.

Obama said he never heard him say the things he said in those clips. He later said he heard him say things that were controversial. He did not contradict himself. Most of what Wright says could probably be considered controversial - preaching against hate and homophobia and calling people who vote for George Bush "stupid" is controversial. But they are not hateful and don't equate to what Wright said in the clips we have had forced down our throats.

Obama did not contradict himself at all.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:03 AM
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27. "You can't go around saying that kind of stuff."
First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

___________________________________________

I take great offense to any utterance of "you can't say..." because the foundation of our freedom rests upon free speech.
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