You all are being played like fiddles

[Horse with no Name]

If you THINK that a divided Democratic Party serves EITHER candidate, then you really need to read up on politics.
The ONLY people that a divided party serves are republicans.
These smears are all republican. The only way they can beat us is to divide us.
Make us start pointing fingers at other Democrats...rightfully or wrongfully.
They have succeeded.
Congratulations on ALL of YOUR efforts to help their cause.
FFS--idiots thinking that a Democratic candidate for President would hire moles to infiltrate the State Department to steal obama's passport info is crazy-thinking. Downright crazy. Take some meds.
Loosen the tinfoil.
Get a grip. Whatever it takes.
This has republican paw prints all over it.
Those that refuse to see that are nothing but willing pawns.

[JVS]

1. We don't want division. That's why we've been urging your candidate to drop out for nearly 3 weeks

[Mezzo]

5. we've been urging your guy to keep his promise and fulfill his senate term first

since he said that was what he'd do. But you already knew that.

[Horse with no Name]

6. she has a RIGHT to be in this race

It is NOT your decision to make.

[JVS]

8. It's creating division though, which is bad.

When she quits, things will be better.

[Horse with no Name]

16. That's when the trouble really starts

All these things that she has been accused of doing by the media and the blogosphere...THOSE are the chickens that will come home to roost.
The RW has played you all like suckers and the media has been their accomplices.
The blowback of that is that MANY don't believe that Clinton has been behind this crap that they say she has...and that will hurt your guy in the election if those people choose to stay home, vote 3rd party or even vote republican.
You guys have made some serious mistakes and thrown some serious allegations out there...you might not be able to recover from them.

[JVS]

25. You're being vague and I don't see how your side is any different.

Throw in the towel, for the sake of unity.

[Horse with no Name]

28. "my side" has been out since the end of January. n/t

[JVS]

31. Don't bullshit me like that. You consistently oppose Obama and support Hillary here.

Your ideal side might be done with, but you've adapted.

[Horse with no Name]

36. to be honest...I was MORE willing to join YOUR side

and there are posts out there attesting to it...it is the vileness and lies of the media and the fans of obama HERE that pushed me into being able to vote for Hillary.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Interesting.

I had quite the opposite experience and reaction.

:shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

43. And that is OKAY!

:hug:

[Swamp Rat]

45. Can't pass up a hug!

:hug:

Now, please forgive me if you see me hammer Hillary in to saw dust. :D

[JVS]

46. STOP! Hammertime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzoBkaFxh4&feature=related

[Swamp Rat]

52. I'm sorry I clicked that link.

:D

[Horse with no Name]

47. we don't always have to agree

it's how we disagree that matters.
Disagree on substance, style....have at it.
Let's just not go to the mat on unsubstantiated rumors!
Now, get the fuck out of the way while I smash yer guy to smithereens!:D

[Swamp Rat]

48. Hey! I'm still for Kucinich!!

I haven't given up hope yet. :D

[Horse with no Name]

49. I LOVE that one

and Kucinich too.

[merh]

51. After all, she does say that she has learned from the past experiences

she shared with Bill and she has said she is better suited for campaigns

There is this from 1992

=======================================

State Dept. Official Who Searched Clinton's Passport Files Resigns

By ROBERT PEAR,
Published: November 18, 1992

A State Department official who carried out the two-day search of passport files for information about Gov. Bill Clinton said today that he had resigned, just 48 hours before Federal investigators are expected to issue a report criticizing the search.

The official, Steven M. Moheban, was a top aide to Elizabeth M. Tamposi, the Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs who was dismissed last week by President Bush for her role in the search of files on Mr. Clinton, his mother, Virginia Kelley, and Ross Perot, the independent Presidential candidate.

"I resigned Monday," said Mr. Moheban, a 30-year-old native of Nashua, N.H., Ms. Tamposi's hometown. "I no longer work for the State Department."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE5D71F39F93BA25752C1A964958260
========================================

do you think they took notes?

[Swamp Rat]

53. Hey merh!!

:hug:

[merh]

54. hello dear friend

:hug: Have I told you lately that I love your work?

and you too :loveya:

[Swamp Rat]

55. Aww!

:hug: :loveya:

Here's a new one I like:

[merh]

57. I LOVE IT!

I want one I can frame and put on the wall of my home - signed of course. I'll have to print one out and find you to sign it - I'm serious.

I just love that one!! :pals:

:yourock:

[Splinter Cell]

14. She may have a right....

But at this point, she lacks a reason.

[Yurovsky]

15. She has a right to run a racist campaign as well ...

just don't expect me to give her a high five for the effort.

I expect this crap from republikkkans. I am thoroughly disgusted to see it coming from the Clintons.

[murielm99]

38. Every time I think I should defend Obama on DU,

I see a piece of garbage like your post and I hold back.

[Yurovsky]

61. get over yourself ...

if you had lived your life in my skin, you might be sick of the Clinton's BS too.

I guess being white enables you to look past it. Congratulations.

[murielm99]

63. Obama is the one who played the race card, via his

surrogates, and then by himself.

Get over yourself. And congratulations to you and your leader for splitting the party.

[McCamy Taylor]

62. And that is not divisive? You win friends by showing how great your guy is

not by belittling the other guy.

The Freepers are tearing this place apart.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. You're one of the few voices of reason left around here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. The moles work for DybCrop, which is in bed and very well connected

with the Republican Party... kudos to you.

[blonndee]

4. The good news is that I see more people AGREEING

on this issue and actually thinking about it than anything I've seen in GDP recently. That may not be saying much, and there is a lot of silliness and vitriol about this already, but I'm actually enjoying the reasoned discussions and thoughtful questions that can be found about this tonight.

[Horse with no Name]

9. I wish I could read what you are reading

because I have opened about 8 posts to find them spuriously and furiously trying to link Clinton to it.

[LostinVA]

10. Yup, that's why I posted my OP

Too much jumping to conclusions by some -- we really don't need any more of that, eh?

[Tatiana]

7. Oh passportgate reeks of the GOP. They are running out of $$$ for private investigators.

So they have to use the government's resources.

The GOP is trying to pin this one on Clinton. Then, we'll be able to point even more fingers at each other.

[BenDavid]

11. well, we had this election won, till obama decided to "unite us"

and boy has he ever. The person that could benefit feom dem fighting dem would be obama. the one that played the race card and blamed it on hillary. obama.....

the one person that lied about beening at any sermon that wright spoke his hate is obama....

the man needs to drop out because he LIED!

[JeffR]

12. Wish I could get this to Greatest

but it's still one rec shy.

[goldcanyonaz]

13. This forum, thankfully doesn't represent the real world.

[KingFlorez]

17. Good post

[HuffleClaw]

18. cheap two-bit fiddles !

yup.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Not all

[Blue_In_AK]

20. You are so correct.

Voices of reason are such a rare commodity around here.

[EFerrari]

21. I don't think so. I play the fiddle. It requires a lot of effort.

We're more like kazoos.

:rofl:

[Bonobo]

22. If Obama was mathematically out of it, I'm sure you would be urging him to quit.

For the good of the party, of course.

[Horse with no Name]

26. wrong again bonobo

I have said from the time the obama fans started calling for all the other candidates to get out of obamas way...that EVERY candidate had the RIGHT to go to the convention if that is what they chose to do.
I still believe that.
I don't give a FUCK about "the math"...other than "the math"...specifically Karl Rove's math, kept Kerry out of the WH.

[CoffeeCat]

23. So, when Hillary...

attested to her "lifetime of experience" and John McCain's "lifetime of experience" and said
that Obama had only "a speech he gave in 2002"...was she fostering party unity?

Nothing like watching Hillary Clinton perform a political vivisection to one of our own--while giving
John McCain a few more points with the Independents.

Love that Hillary unity!

[Horse with no Name]

27. It's not what she said and it has been posted ad infinitum

so I really refused to discuss it with someone with such a closed mind.

[Life Long Dem]

24. Wow!

Okay, I'll try to get a grip. :banghead:
:sarcasm:

All Wright?

[emilyg]

29. Thank you.

k/r

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. K&R

[walldude]

32. If you don't want the party divided I suggest you post something

a little less condescending than this OP. And a little less nasty than this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5178498


Calling Obama supporters sickening isn't very unifying.

[Horse with no Name]

37. To each his own

I suppose.
I stand behind THAT post.
I'm not calling for unification here, by the way, I was pointing out that you all were willing to destroy the party for your agenda--the agenda of getting obama elected--to the point that you will allow republicans play you like fools. Clinton isn't to blame for all that you all have blamed her for. She is NOT that powerful. The republicans have had their nasty hands in this mess for quite sometime...but the media who have CONSISTENTLY been republican-friendly...report that "someone SAID that it came from the Clinton camp"...and you all drag it back to your caves and chew on the carcass until the only thing left is the lie...and then you repeat the lie over and over until it becomes a truth...in the obama echo chamber.
You all haven't done anyone any favors.
Personally, if I were Clinton...I'd tell every Democrat in this country to go get fucked and leave the party behind and never look back.
I would NOT want to represent you.
But hey, that is just me.

[walldude]

39. You know what they say when you

assume.... but far be it from me to point out your obvious generalizations about Obama supporters. Or your incredible sense of superiority. :P

I will say this though, you must be more like Clinton than you think because she already told every Democrat in this country to go get fucked, and if it's all the same to you, I'd prefer if neither she nor you represent me.

[Horse with no Name]

40. The feeling is QUITE mutual

I am pretty fond of free-thinkers, not group-thinkers.

[mattclearing]

33. We're all going to unite behind Obama.

You know, the guy with the most votes and the most delegates, who stands the best chance to win in the fall.

Edit: No one knows why the State Dept. thing happened, but to discount even the possibility it was his opponent for the nomination out of hand would be naive.

[americanstranger]

34. I agree.

But I'll offer in response that beating on a Dem candidate for statements made by a friend, for days after that candidate renounced those statements, doesn't do a whole hell of a lot for the party brand, either.

Don't put the divided party all on obama supporters. There's plenty of people from both sides whooping it up at that party.

- as

[splat]

35. Might as well keep them together here off the streets; real Dems have left

[Old and In the Way]

42. This Obama supporter agrees with you.

This is Republican opposition research at work.

[Horse with no Name]

44. Thank you

If the republicans just did the dirty tricks, it would unite OUR party MORE.
If the republicans and their operatives (media) get Democrats to believe that other Democrats did the dirty tricks, that is where the divide comes in.
I was an Edwards supporter. I have said some bad things about Clinton and obama.
However...I still believe that the republicans are the bad guys and deserve our ire. I just do not believe that Clinton is SO powerful that she could have done all of the things she is accused of doing.
Thank GOD they already know who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby or no doubt Hillary would be accused of that TOO.

[juajen]

56. I would like to add my thanks for your posts. We should all keep trying.

I actually am seeing some inroads here; however, it may be too late.

[rodeodance]

50. Thank you for trying. GD_P is a cesspool. just look at the stinking crap you got for trying.

[napoleon_in_rags]

58. For Obama to win at all, his supporters need to figure this out.

The whole idea that Hillary is "worse" than the Republicans in some way is a dangerous fantasy...It leaves them totally unprepared for what they are going to be up against. Yet its really prevelant here, with all these people saying they McCain is equal or even better. Its utterly, obviously a sentiment that's being stirred up by Republicans.

[NorthernSpy]

59. where were you when the media were promoting hate against Obama's church...

... and threatening to create a terrible racial split that would have left your faction with the bigger half of the party and the advantage? It's something that could still happen if we don't use every tool available to prevent it.


Oh, right: you didn't have a problem with that.


But when new info comes out, and the tide turns and threatens to go against your side, we should wise up and stand by you -- lest the "real" enemy win?



I've got news for you. You ARE the real enemy, same as the rest of our all-too-real enemies.

[Horse with no Name]

60. you need to log off if you think I am the enemy

but those monsters you think are under your bed might suck your brain out while you sleep.:crazy: