If Hillary's campaign is behind Obama's passport breach

[ruggerson]

I will throw my support to Obama immediately. With enthusiasm.

If it turns out there is no connection, Keith Olbermann should lose his job.

[marmar]

1. Actually, he was reading something from David Schuster....

.... KO was just acting as messenger in that case.

[K Gardner]

17. I thought it was David Gregory, but no doubt, he was reading some info someone passed him AND..

he only reported on the FACT that the lady was in the Clinton Adm.. there was no accusation.

[papau]

19. KO runs the show - and chose not to discuss Clinton 91 passport leak to officials in State

This will not be shown to be connected to Hillary in any way - and KO should be fired.

[TwilightGardener]

21. He discussed the '91 breach with Mitchell and Fineman.

[pdxmom]

22. What were you watching? He brought up the Clinton leak numerous

times throughout the first hour. I didn't see the second hour.

[papau]

49. I saw the 2nd hour - and the difference in where the info went was never discussed

[Teaser]

65. We've all posted half cocked before.

no biggie.

[marmar]

28. "and KO should be fired"

Overreact much? It was a breaking-news situation, and as in all breaking news situations, he reported stuff as it was given to him. That's how the TV news business works. Sometimes it turns out later to be false, sometimes true.

[Exilednight]

36. His producers run the show. KO is just a talking head with some input.

[stillcool]

60. He did discuss it..

and the appointment of a Special Prosecutor...as did Andrea Mitchell. They used the example to describe how serious a security violation this is.

[jillan]

2. I second that. If Olbermann lied - he's gone.

[damndude]

31. we're not gonna let you guys do to olbermann what the

repugs did to dan rather. stop shooting the messenger.

[jillan]

38. The messenger is a liar.

[Exilednight]

46. what did he lie about? The woman worked for the Clinton administration? Well, she did.......

He didn't accuse her of anything.

[ruggerson]

86. She is a Bush appointee to her current State position

and a career diplomat. She had jobs under Reagan, Bush I and Clinton.

Deception is not an admirable trait.

[Exilednight]

99. It's now deception to tell the truth? n/t

[damndude]

66. maybe your candidate is a fraud

[wisteria]

84. Did you watch the show? I watched the first show and he did nothing but

report the facts. Actually, it seems at the time he was reporting it as a Bush Administration matter.

[pointsoflight]

54. There is no lie. He simply said the supervisor in the Consular's office was a Clinton appointee.

That's a fact. He did NOT say she was involved in anything and made it a point to say that it was a "very tenuous" link.

[ruggerson]

64. But according to Wikipedia that's not a fact at all

She's a State Department BUSH appointee:

"Maura Harty (born c. 1959) is the current United States Assistant Secretary of State for the Bureau of Consular Affairs, a post she has held since 21 November 2002. She is a career Foreign Service Officer, though the Assistant Secretary position is a presidential appointment"

She is a CAREER diplomat. Meaning non partisan who survives from administration to administration.

Her first job was for Reagan, she held various positions under Bush I and Clinton and got the STATE DEPT gig under Bush II.

Olbermann completely mischaracterized who this woman is.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

70. Maybe there was more than one appointment?

And more than one position?

:think:

[ruggerson]

76. Again, she's a career diplomat

she started her career under Reagan. The only job she had under Clinton was two years as ambassador to Paraguay.

She was appointed to her current position by Bush II.

Olbermann completely mischaracterized who this woman is.

[wisteria]

87. And we all know that Wikipedia can't be tampered with, right? n/t

[mudesi]

94. WIKIPEDIA?

:rofl:

Look, I have linked to wikipedia several times in the past as well, but when it comes to breaking news stories involving highly partisan politics, I don't think you want to use it as your primary source. At least not at first.

[ruggerson]

95. I'm glad you agree that if Wiki is correct, Olbermann should be terminated

[loveangelc]

98. he said it was a tenuous development or something like that...he wasn't making an accusation.

[HughMoran]

3. What's this speculation about?

Is there some evidence that someone paid those people to look into the passport file?

[IndependentDem]

14. is it just me or does McCain kinda remind you of Mini Me in your picture?

[TexasLady]

43. LOL that he does, that he does...

[bluestateguy]

4. This is what we need to know

If those employees were Bush political appointees, or career civil service employees. If the latter is true, which president put them there? Who are their loyalties to Bush and McCain? Or Clinton?

[bilgewaterbill]

9. My money is on it turning out to be Clinton partisans.

[Kittycat]

5. There has been no accusations, just stating of facts so far.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Did Keith SAY Hillary's campaign was behind this, or that this woman

just was a former Clinton appointee? The former is an allegation, the latter is easily fact-checked.

[slinkerwink]

24. The woman is indeed a former Clinton appointee, but she was also in Reagan adminstration

however ambassadorships are given out as a patronage. The link is tenuous at best and should be investigated along with other links.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Well, then, Keith was just reportin' the facts.

[ruggerson]

72. the hell he was

he characterized her as a clinton appointee. The fact is she got her State Dept gig under Bush in 2002.

So, she's a "Bush appointee."

Additionally, the woman is a career diplomat, meaning she is a non partisan who survives from administration to administration.

Olbermann is being very, very dishonest.

[TwilightGardener]

85. Wel, the fact that she has ties to the Clinton administration is pretty

irresistible--I'm pretty sure all news outlets would mention it. It's newsworthy. They don't have to point out that she now works for GWB, because she obviously does, if she's an appointee at the State Dept. Ambassadorships were prized positions, anyway, I always thought--so if Bill gave her one, that is a significant connection.

[ruggerson]

88. Sorry that doesn't wash

it's very resistable, because it's not an accurate characterization.

It's only irresistable if a reporter is a complete asshole with a political agenda.

[TwilightGardener]

91. This person was awarded an ambassadorship by Clinton. Thus, ties

to the Clintons. In a repeat breach of security against a rival that was almost certainly politically motivated (unless you're all really naive here). I can see how he would mention it--without accusing anyone, of course.

[ruggerson]

96. His sole characterization was "Clinton appointee"

which is a bald faced lie.

She is in the State Dept as a career diplomat, appointed by George W Bush.

[October]

81. Reporting? Opining, maybe. :) /nt

[mmonk]

41. Like Grossman?

[Bullet1987]

7. I was hoping it would tie to a Republican

I don't want to believe Clinton was behind this...not at all. We need to wait for more information before we point fingers.

[stillcool]

62. I think..well..I hope..

it will turn out to be so.

[Abacus]

8. I missed the second half,

but during the first half KO was implying the Bush administration if anyone; I don't recall him mentioning the Clinton campaign at all.

[Abacus]

10. nevermind, getting caught up in another thread.

:popcorn:

[blonndee]

11. I doubt that there would be any direct connection, really.

I can't imagine that they would take such a stupid risk to initiate that particular type of action.

[Double T]

12. KO should lose his job regardless.

[Lisa0825]

20. Uh, yeah, cuz anyone who isn't endorsing the Queen should be canned.

:eyes:

[Double T]

29. Why..that's right. Glad to see you're on board.

:evilgrin:

[DefenseLawyer]

23. Replace his show with "To Catch a Scary Radical Black Pastor"

Hosted by Chris Hanson and Sean Hannity.

[JimGinPA]

27. LOL

[Double T]

37. What a GREAT CONCEPT for a new show to inflame bigotry.

I'm certain FOX will pick it up if YOU pitch it.

[R_M]

35. I don't see what value he adds to the discourse.

[stillcool]

68. Could you give an example..

of what kind of discourse you 'value'?

[totodeinhere]

52. No he shouldn't, he has the highest rated show on MSNBC.

And that's for good reason. He has continuously excoriated the shrub and his cronies. And now he is taking a critical look at the Clinton campaign. Such discourse is healthy and necessary.

[Zhade]

13. That's pretty reasonable.

NT!

[KansasVoter]

15. Olbermann is Great!

He hates Bush and that is what is important!

[slinkerwink]

16. I'd wait for an investigation first

[angie_love]

18. I'd rather McCain be behind this than Clinton actually. It would be great for democrats to have a

controversy of their own to SMASH repugs with.

[LostinVA]

25. HRC had nothing to do with it -- I'll bet my wallet on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maura_Harty

[scheming daemons]

30. Yeah... because she's NEVER been involved in any shady business related to private files before....

Hillary Clinton is a ruthless politician.... in the mold of Richard Nixon.


...and she WILL do anything to win.


The Clintons operate much like the Bush's, but with different ideologies.



Some call that being a "fighter". I call that being a Republican.

[anamandujano]

39. You talk like a Repuke yourself. Got any original thoughts that you

didn't hear on TV?

[scheming daemons]

51. Coming from one of a group of people that continually use Hannity as a source....

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

57. Funny isn't it? They prop up Hannity and Newsmax and then project onto you.

Some real dim bulbs around here. :rofl:

[anamandujano]

67. Check his posts against tried and true Repuke talking points. It's

comparable to Obama's using the Harry and Louise imagery against a fellow Democrat to defeat health care.

[Forkboy]

80. Ok, even if he does...my point about you still stands.

You had no problem with the Newsmax and Hannity shit. Hence, you have zero credibility when accusing someone of using/liking RW talking points. Maybe you should try consistency.

[anamandujano]

63. Hey, I never watch him but you have to admit he didn't fake the videos

or write Wright's rants.

[workinclasszero]

45. Hillary is the dem version of Nixon

Vile, dirty, paranoid and amoral.

[cliffordu]

59. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

Best portrayal of the Hillary we know and love.

By the way, Where was G. Gordon Liddy for the last couple months....

:smoke:

[workinclasszero]

82. I think he has another plumbers job with a new boss! LOL (nt)

[wisteria]

89. I call it unworthy to occupy the White House. n/t

[TexasLady]

47. I want this to be true as well

Im gonna back whoever winds up the nominee..

It smells Repuke to me, personally.

[LostinVA]

53. Repub or dumb workers

[polmaven]

77. Me too!

Of course, I just filled up the gas tank, so my wallet isn't worth much....(Thank you (p)resident *)......;-)

[Dinger]

26. Same Here (nt)

[Justitia]

32. I really, really, really want this to be the Bush Administration. -eom

[polmaven]

83. I really, really want this to be John McCain!

:toast:

[johnnydrama]

33. i don't buy it at all.

No matter Hillary's faults, i really doubt it.

For all we know this Maura person quit after the breaches because she was pissed that her bosses wouldn't alert Obama. Or wouldn't investigate.

[TwilightGardener]

40. Okay, no. She had a responsibility to pass this breach on to the IG.

She did not follow procedure, she did not put her employee before an investigation, she did not secure the info that might have been obtained--instead, the employee left and who knows if it was disseminated? She violated her office standards, and ethical standards--her job was to protect Obama's info and refer the matter to someone who would decide to investigate.

[johnnydrama]

48. i don't yet believe

That she didn't. I don't believe the people who say it was low level people, not political, just curious people.

I don't buy any of the official story yet.

[LisaL]

58. She didn't quit after the breaches.

She announced back in Nov that she was going to retire in February, which she did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maura_Harty

[anamandujano]

42. Why would Hillary do to another what was done to them?

[Umbram]

44. True, since she is Jesus in the flesh. (nt)

[rodeodance]

50. Immaturity reigns high in your post

[Umbram]

55. Well

If that violates a DU rule, feel free to point it out to me, since I am unaware of any.

Otherwise, just enjoy.

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Umbram]

74. Well, I'll try to outdo myself in the future.

Oh, and "Obamatized" is kind of immature.

Cheers!

[anamandujano]

78. I have faith that you will in spite of the stiff competition.

"Obamatized" is not mine but I think it's great and it certainly rings true.

[Umbram]

93. Aww shucks, and thanks, and golly gee too, and *blush*.

Well, I'm sure, having reflected deeply concerning your own affective biases and honed your epistemological methodology to razor sharp precision, you of all of us are capable of overcoming the pitfalls of fallacious reasoning and errors of attribution, such that only you - anamandujano, the thinker and reasoner, can truly say whom amongst us have been lobotomized by our zeal for our candidate, and likewise, whom amongst us are reflective thinkers of a higher order.

Keep up the good work!

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. Olbermann will do another fast talking nonretraction retraction like

after the NAFTA canada thing he pulled a couple of weeks ago. He has turned completely to shit.

[R_M]

90. Olbermann is a tool.

[Europeanblogger]

61. If they haven't fired Matthews, don't expect to fire Olbermann

As bad as KO is, Matthews is the worst.

[anamandujano]

73. They are vying with each other for bonuses. Each suckfest they initiate

pays well.

Matthews has two draft age sons to feed and Olbs had teenage girlfriends to take shopping. A little extra money comes in handy.

[Liquorice]

71. Olbermann is an incredible disappointment to me.

I don't watch his now worthless show anymore, but it doesn't surprise me that he would try to link Hillary Clinton to the passport thing without any evidence. He won't lose his job, but he has lost all credibility.

[anamandujano]

75. If I remember correctly, he started letting us down when the presidency

was stolen from Kerry.

[wisteria]

79. Well, I don't want to believe that the Clinton's may have had a hand in this either.

But, the thought did cross my mind. Could the McCain camp really have a hand in this? This doesn't seem like his style. The Clinton camp was very quick to denounce this- usually they wait a day before saying anything.

[BenDavid]

92. Two State Department employees were fired and a third has been

disciplined......

sorry obama folks point that finger at someone else...

[David Zephyr]

97. No one knows at this point, ruggerson. I'm just watching things develop.

The fact that it is a GOP State Department that, like the Justice Department, has been corrupted to do the political bidding of the White House points more to the GOP than to anyone else.

The fact that the story was leaked to the Washington Times, a propaganda outlet that makes Fox look tame by comparison, also keeps my suspicions with the Republicans.

Still the fact that two of the reported three breaches were by Maura Hardy does merit questioning of any ties she may have with Clinton's campaign. It could very well be that the GOP was tipping the Washington Times off to this. We just don't know.

This is so reminiscent of that little burglary at the Watergate in 1972. I had been volunteering for McGovern in the Catskills when I read the story in the New York Times. I knew then it was going to be big story as it was a crime against the nominee of our party for the highest office in the land. This has the very same feel to it.

I have Keith's show recorded. I went back and watched him as he was reading David Schuster's report as he received it. He did not accuse the Clintons. He was reading Schuster's report that there was a tie.

Let's just hope that this is a GOP scandal and not ours.

In any event, the State Department has known for three months and did nothing. That is criminal.

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi must not be suckered into trusting the Justice Department or the Inspector General's office to investigate this on their own. We need dual committees in both houses of Congress and we need to get people under oath quickly.

The big loser in this will be the GOP and McCain.