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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:42 PM
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Where were the Clintons when Kerry was running?
I really don't remember any support from them. Were they afraid his presidency would be too much of a threat for her to run this year? Just asking.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:42 PM
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1. Bill had his heart attack but campaigned a little near the end of the campaign.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:43 PM
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2. Hiding as much as possible...Kerry might have ruined 2008 for Hillary
Oh there was Bill out a few weeks before the GE saying nice things about Bush, does that count?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:15 PM
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19. You were proven wrong down below. When are you going to apologize?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:45 PM
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3. Careful, I got trashed for bringing this up a few weeks ago
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:47 PM
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4. Kerry didn't deserve their support
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 09:48 PM by buff2
Look who he is supporting now.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:48 PM
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5. Even if it could have helped him beat Bush?
Were you opposed to Kerry in 2004 as well?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:52 PM
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40. Can you believe they would consider themselves more than our country and our party?
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:52 PM by wisteria
They didn't care if Bush was our President for four more years. And, just look at all the additonal damage he has done in that time.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:01 PM
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46. It boggles the mind that some people would say stuff like that...
I know you can't see it, but my mind is literally boggling! :crazy:
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 PM
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25. LOL, Senator Kerry was real competition to the Clinton's and a lot more honest.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 PM by wisteria
The Clinton's aren't good enough to even clean his shoes.
And, now Senator Kerry has chosen to endorse the one candidate that can bring this country together and heal our party after all the years of the Clinton's raping it for their own self-interests.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:26 PM
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28. Clintons did not support Kerry in the Primary
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:51 PM
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6. I recall Hillary making some controversial negative comment about him...
...but can't remember what it was anymore ~ anyone know??
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:52 PM
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7. Where was Kerry when Kerry was running in August 2004?
He was windboarding.

Kerry didn't help himself, so don't expect others to help him.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 PM
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30. Clinton friend and DNC Chair McAuliffe tied Kerry's hands behind his back.
McAuliffe arranged for our convention to be held so early that funds were not available in August for Kerry to launch a major assault against the Swifties. Presidential candidates should stay above the frey and he had good surrogates out defending him. The Clinton's were not some of those good people though. It seems they had a vested interest in him losing. Could you just imagine how nasty she would have become waiting until 2012 to run?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:47 PM
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38. It was winssurfing for 2 hrs with the media, staff and THK in the boat following him
during the Republican convention - an innocuous photo opt - that possibly avoided the Republicans copying a primary opponent push polling on his health - as was done in Iowa.

In any other year, it would have been a very pleasant little story in a sea of Republican stories - with lovely Nantucket pictures of blue skies and sea.

The windsurfing ad did not use that footage - it used an old photo that was moved back and forth.

Kerry, his wife, daughters, and 2 of her step sons had multiple appearances each and every day.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:53 PM
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8. Didn't get involved, then Bubba had heart surgery. HRC helped him though. nt
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:55 PM
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9. Bill Clinton campaigned for Kerry
while he was still recovering from heart surgery. Good democrat, that Bill Clinton.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60722-2004Oct25?language=printer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6328991

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:55 PM
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10. Good question.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:42 PM by politicasista
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:55 PM
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11. campaigning for him
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:56 PM
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12. Were you stoned for most of that year or what?
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:58 PM
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14. Unfortunately, no...
I was busy campaigning for Kerry.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:57 PM
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13. All three Clintons campaigned for Kerry.....please read
I'm sick of this shit.....People claiming the Clintons didn't support Kerry.

You are NOT that clueless, are you?

President Clinton campaigned for Kerry just weeks after his heart surgery. In fact, he campaigned so soon after his heart surgery that at the Philadelphia rally with Kerry, they mapped a special path to the stage for President Clinton. Here's an article by Howard Fineman:

In 8 minutes, Clinton shows his masteryWill beloved Democratic soldier push swing states to Kerry?

By Howard Fineman
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 5:15 p.m. ET Oct. 25, 2004PHILADELPHIA - They mapped Bill Clinton's path to the stage in Center City so that he wouldn't have to climb too many stairs, which was thoughtful, because he looked like what he was: a guy who had had quadruple bypass surgery only a few weeks ago. The shock of light-gray hair was familiar, as was the ironic, world-weary smile; as was the European cut suit. But he was so skinny that he didn't fill it out, and his skin was sallow, and his long sculpted fingers looked as though they had been painted by El Greco. When he spoke, his voice was reedier, thinner and more tentative than we remember: no anger, no volume and no Lewinsky-era drama.

Still, in eight minutes in front of a crowd of 80,000 Democrats that stretched from City Hall to 17th Street, the former president summarized the case against George Bush and for John Kerry better than Kerry himself has ever done, with more humor, concision and bite. Among the pundits, the assumption was that Clinton had come to town to jack up the black vote, which is true as far as it goes.

But as I listened to Clinton I was reminded of the political genius he possesses to speak to the dispossessed and the comfortable at the same time. His first argument: that Bush and the Republicans had indulged in runaway spending in Washington, which meant that the Japanese and Chinese — who are buying all the T-Bills — will control the fiscal destiny of our children.

Clinton's appeal was shrewdly conservative and flag-waving. He defended Kerry's call for a rollback of Bush's top-rate tax cut as a matter of patriotism: Wealthy folks (he is one of them) should be willing to sacrifice. Kerry, he said, would build a "larger Army" than Bush's and be tougher on al Qaida and homeland defense. With deadpan skill, he called the Republicans "our friends" and then caricatured them as go-it-alone bomb throwers.

Finishing with a flourish, he said that if one side is trying to scare you and playing on fear, and the other side makes you think and offers you hope … you know what to do. Kerry has been selling fear, of course: on the draft, on Social Security, on the war. But you couldn't tell that by listening to the sweet if somewhat enervated reasonableness of William J. Clinton.

The rally was a coup and an inspiration for the Kerry team here in Pennsylvania. This is one of about 10 battleground states, and Kerry has a better chance here than the president. The GOP is well-organized, relying on the war and conservative values, but the Dems are pumped on the economy and on the idea that Bush is just another Republican who favors the rich.

I hear that Bush will be here three times — only two have been announced. He will do Lancaster, Bucks County near Philly and, I hear, a last stop in Southwestern Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh area, near Election Day, probably on Monday. The Dems are working just as hard, with John Edwards scheduled into Scranton (Hillary Clinton next day, then Scranton native Joe Biden after that) and Kerry due to make at least one more stop. Auditor Bob Casey, who is pro-life and popular, nevertheless is making TV ads for Kerry. It's support that could help in "The T," the middle of the state, as well in conservative Catholic areas of Pittsburgh and Philly.

I'm still waiting for this election to break in a dramatic way. If I sense any movement in any way, and it is slight, it seems to be in Kerry's direction. A light breeze, not a gale. That's the way it felt in Ohio, where I spent two days last week. Bush had been ahead by eight, and went prospecting in other Midwest states, but had to rush back to defend Ohio after the polls narrowed to even there. Did the president get back soon enough?

It's one of the key questions of the election.

Another, of course, Pennsylvania. Kerry needs to come out of Philly with a big margin to compensate for GOP votes elsewhere, in more conservative areas. In 2000, Al Gore won the city by about 340,000. This time, Kerry is hoping for at least 375,000 (that's what Gov. Ed Rendell just told me) or even 400,000 (which is what Rep. Chaka Fattah just told me). If they get to the Fattah number they are going to be hard to beat in the state. Bush is making his big plays in the Northeast and the Southwest — essentially Scranton, Wilkes-Barre and the suburbs and exurbs of Pittsburgh, which are trending Republican on social issues, if not economic ones.

Clinton, meanwhile, is on the move to the extent that his health permits. He is leaving here for Florida, and after that he is going to Nevada. "This is an ambitious schedule for a guy who just had heart surgery," said Rendell.


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Let's also remember that Chelsea Clinton gave her first political speech, while campaigning for Kerry/Edwards:

Posted on Sat, Oct. 30, 2004
Chelsea Clinton enters political arena by stumping for Kerry

KEN THOMAS

Associated Press


KISSIMMEE, Fla. - Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton, shielded from the public during her years in the White House, delivered her first political speeches Saturday as she campaigned for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

The only child of former President Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said she was "a little nervous" about making her first speech in Tampa. That was followed by an appearance in the Orlando area, and she was scheduled to speak in suburban Fort Lauderdale later Saturday.

"I'm not quite an old pro but thankfully, I come from a family of old pros, and hopefully I'll do them proud," Clinton said.

Clinton has rarely spoken in public, even after leaving Washington.

Weeks short of her 13th birthday when her father was first inaugurated in 1993, her parents took great pains to guard her privacy. Only in 2000 did Clinton take her first steps into the spotlight, accompanying the her father at events while her mother campaigned for Senate.

After graduating from Stanford University in 2001, Clinton studied for a master's degree at Oxford University - where her father was a Rhodes Scholar from 1968 until 1970. She then landed a six-figure consulting job in the New York office of London-based McKinsey & Company.

Clinton's appearances in Florida indicate how important the state is to the Kerry campaign. Florida decided the 2000 election, and its 27 electoral votes are the most of any swing state in 2004.

"To be honest, I couldn't imagine being anywhere else today," Clinton said at a rally near an Osceola County polling location. "I couldn't imagine not being in Florida because the stakes are too high and the choice is too clear."

Touting the Kerry-Edwards ticket, Clinton said she believes in "their vision and their plan for America, and I know that it will work because of everything that we experienced as a country during the eight years that my father served as president."

During her three-minute speech, Clinton said her father's administration "proved that we can move people out of poverty, that we can swell the middle class, that we could balance the budget and still create more wealth."

Clinton was only one of several daughters of prominent Democrats on the Florida tour. She was joined by Caroline Kennedy, Karenna Gore Schiff, Vanessa Kerry and Cate Edwards.

Introducing Vanessa Kerry, Clinton said she "was proud to call her my friend, and in three days I hope to know her as our next first daughter."

Caroline Kennedy said Clinton was a person of "grace and dignity."

"If you think her parents are smart, you should talk to her."





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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:02 PM
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16. This must be made into it's own thread.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:13 PM
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18. Already done my friend! eom
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:19 PM
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22. Two articles from the end of the campaign? Garbage! n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:00 PM
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15. Omg - Bill had a heart attack and went on the campaign trail with Kerry as soon as he could.
Give it a rest!

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:36 PM
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32. No one is disputing the heart attack. It was the time before and after that.
And, he seemed to find time to promote his own book, stealing media attention away from Senator Kerry's campaign. Oh, and let us not forget all of the "Clinton" people who sabotaged Kerry's chances whenever they could. That is why Senator Kerry did not want Clinton people on his team.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:13 PM
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17. umm...having heart surgery?
and then getting onto the campaign trail for Kerry faster than anyone anticipated. That's what.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:18 PM
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20. You got that right. They did as little as possible. Clinton pimped his book and
took valuable media time away from Senator Kerry. He knew better, but didn't care. And this was right after the longest funeral in history for Reagan which the media covered in its entirety. Hillary I recall did one small fundraiser and wasn't herd from again the entire campaign. Then there were the Clinton's friends who leaked lies to the media, arranged for the worse possible time to hold our convention and then Carville, who contacted his wife to have her alert the Bush campaign that Senator Kerry was very likely going to contest the vote counts in Ohio. Right after his call and a call from Rove to Ohio's SOS, ballots disappeared. The Clinton's had no interest in having Kerry win in 04, the plan was for Hillary to run in 08. Senator Kerry was in her way.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:28 PM
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29. You do remember this - don't you?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:39 PM
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34. Again, I am aware of the heart attack. What about his book promotion?
It was the entire Clinton organization working against him and hoping he would lose so that Senator Clinton could run in 08 when the chance for victory was more favorable.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:19 PM
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21. he campaigned for him just enough to appease the party
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:24 PM
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26. HE HAD A FUCKING TRIPLE BYPASS!!! Had to

recuperate from that before he could do any campaigning.

Get your facts straight.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:33 PM
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31. Even so, I swear I remember the criticism against the Dems because Bill was campaigning so soon
after surgery.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:14 PM
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47. did hillary have a triple bypass too? and did bill have one when gore was running?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 PM
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23. Reading is fundamental. Check this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5184462&mesg_id=5184462

How quickly people forget, or perhaps none of your were paying attention in 2004.
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 PM
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24. Kerry
Kerry was his own worst enemy anytime the Republicans attack: Kerry lay down and what happen in Ohio giving up on the voters in that state.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:25 PM
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27. Didn't Bush (or some Republican) criticize the dems for "wheeling" Bill right out of the hospital
and onto the campaign trail? I kind of remember that. The Clintons did campaign for Kerry.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:37 PM
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33. John Kerry...now there was one heck of an effective presidential campaigner (snicker)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:43 PM
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36. Damn right, he was honest , intelligent, and offered us the best hope for progress and change in 04.
Senator Clinton pales in comparison to Senator Kerry. And, Senator Obama offers us hope and a fresh chance for change. Something the stale old Clinton's could never do.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:48 PM
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39. "Look at me windsurf & shoot innocent birds. Gee I'm cool. Maybe the gun people will vote for me!"
The guy was a walking disaster as a presidential campaigner. I can't believe he couldn't even beat George the Imbecile and Worst president in history Bush.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:55 PM
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42. Your post is to ridiculous to even reply too. n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:55 PM
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43. Good to see you again, too, wisteria
:hi:
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 PM
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49. Yet he could beat all the other democrats running that year
riiiiiiight. Get over your bitter self.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:39 PM
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35. lets see ummm oh yeah 5 weeks after bypass surgery Clinton was on the stump for Kerry
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:46 PM
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37. A couple of campaign stops does not equate to a lot of help.
The Clinton's were mostly silent in regards to Kerry. And Bill Clinton decided to pimp his book right in the middle of the Kerry campaign hogging valuable media time for himself.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:54 PM
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41. It was my steady, months-long impression that the Clintons didn't
exactly knock themselves out for the Democratic ticket in 2004.

Which raises the question of why they might not have wanted an 8-year Democratic White House that didn't include themselves.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:56 PM
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44. Good question! n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:57 PM
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45. Hey there. Good to see you.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:29 PM
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48. Bill was in the hospital. Hillary was MIA
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