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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:51 PM
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AFP: Worsening polls reveal Obama's pastor problem
Worsening polls reveal Obama's pastor problem
2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Democrat Barack Obama suffered in the polls Thursday after a much-acclaimed speech on race that, pundits said, had failed to defuse voters' anger over rage-filled sermons by his former pastor.

Waging an acrimonious battle against Hillary Clinton for the Democrats' White House nomination, Obama confessed to being bruised by the controversy surrounding his longtime Chicago preacher, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

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A clutch of polls released since Tuesday pointed to an erosion of Obama's support, with white working-class voters and independents especially alienated. That could hurt him in the Democrats' next primary in Pennsylvania on April 22.

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll found Clinton pulling into a seven-point lead nationally over Obama, 49 percent to 42 percent. It was Clinton's first statistically significant lead over Obama in more than a month.

"The initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton's gaining momentum, as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night's polling as compared to Monday night's polling," Gallup said.

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"If the sort of figures we've been seeing in the past 48 hours persist, they will certainly play into the superdelegates' calculation," said Bill Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former White House advisor.

MORE: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j4bjBBOuH3zr4Ioa-bzHoDWa81JA
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:52 PM
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1. Who did Galston work for, do you know? n/t
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM
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5. Currently, Brookings.
In the past, Clinton and other presidents.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:53 PM
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2. Don't tell me you buy into this Maddy
for the love of all things reasonable, you can't be happy about this for the party, you just can't?



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM
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3. Never mind. He worked for the Clintons. Gee, what a surprise.
Bill Galston, former deputy domestic policy adviser to Clinton.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:55 PM
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6. LOL. Go ahead and discount the rest of the bad news for Obama, then.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:56 PM by Maddy McCall
One sentence in the whole article from Galston, and you focus on who he worked for 10 years ago instead of the rest of the article.

Not suprised. Bad news isn't well accepted in the Obama camp.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:56 PM
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10. Sweetie, this just isn't worth it.
I'm sorry. When my guys dropped out, I had no candidate and no preference. I sort of wish I was back there and had never seen this cr@p.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:56 PM
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9. This is getting more and more disgusting.
I just don't understand why so many support the hate and the distortions.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM
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15. Hiya, merh. I don't either. Maybe it's the power trip.
The Clintons have or had a lot of that.

:shrug:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:03 PM
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22. it's pathetic
I've learned a great deal about folks through this - stuff I didn't want to know or believe about them.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM
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23. I know.
:hug:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:08 PM
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27. god help us
:hug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:56 PM
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11. no matter---I have been it all over -from the left and right. Put that on your radar.
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM
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4. Polls are generally wrong
We need to wait until the next primary in Pennsylvania on April 22 to know exactly where Clinton and Obama stand.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:58 PM
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16. LOL!
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:17 AM
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38. you know I'm right...?!
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:55 PM
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7. Now thats a really unbiased source... See below...
Bill Galston:

In the first two years of President Bill Clinton's administration, Galston served as the Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=William_Galston
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM
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13. Another example of truth being less important than serving your point.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:58 PM by Kristi1696
Disappointing, to say the least.

ETA: "Your" being the collective DU "your", not you specifically.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM
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20. YUP---you is into using the ROVIAN tactic of KILLING THE MESSENGER
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:07 PM
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26. Wow. You think that my opinion is that powerful?
That my simple disagreement is powerful enough to actually KILL someone? Wow. Thanks, I think.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:10 PM
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29. It's not you personally...
It's the tactic that holds power... to those of us who don't recognize it, of course.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:55 PM
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8. Gallup = GOP
Beware the source.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:58 PM
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17. You are good at the ROVIAN tactic of KILLING THE MESSENGER
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM
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19. I've read here many times that Gallup skews right
and now I'm "killing the messenger"? In general, polls have been
UNRELIABLE during this cycle anyway.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM
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12. Actually, the LATEST Gallup polls shows Obama gaining a point and Hillary losing one.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM
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18. Shh. That's not the spin the OP was going for.
FoxNews is the new DU. Haven't you heard? RW talking points are ALL the rage! Everyone is using them!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM
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14. REC
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:01 PM
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21. Rasmussen has Obama up
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 02:01 PM by Upton
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:15 PM
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35. Obama's unfavorable is at 49%.
That is also a problem.

And the biggest problem, this same poll shows McCain beating either one:
"McCain currently leads Barack Obama 49% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% margin".
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:06 PM
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24. I cannot believe people thought for a minute this wasn't serious and would enrage voters.
So much so that they believed a damage control speech would make it all go away.

A fine speech, but damage control.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:17 PM
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32. Especially if you believe the Clinton plant quoted in that article.
Once you know how these people move, it's pretty easy to track them.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:06 PM
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25. The Wright Scream
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:18 PM
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33. Sell it! Just don't blame anyone else if it hurts him in November
because YOU promoted this hateful sh!t.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:09 PM
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28. I expect the polls to look bad for Obama for a bit but they will rebound
The Media has been using the "Southern Strategy" in reporting on this topic. Eventually, people will let this madness pass and come to their senses.

Obama needs to follow up on his speech about Wright and racism with getting his surrogates on the media outlets repeating his speech's themes and attacking the Republicans for making matters worse for all Americans.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:11 PM
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30. Hiya Maddy!
Haven't seen you around in a while.

Did you see where I was called a Hillbot and an Obamaniac all in response to one post?

It's getting way nutty around here!

:silly:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM
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34. Hey, sweetheart!
I had surgery on March 11. Just got home last night...fired up DU this morning and lookie here.

OMG...the Hillbot and Obamaniac thing. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:15 PM
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31. In another couple of months gas will be $4 a gallon, that's before
the summer season spike, milk $4 a gallon, bread $4 a loaf. Bush and McBush will remain clueless.

Many more mortgage foreclosures, many more jobs lost, many more vehicles repoed. Bush and McBush will remain clueless.

TPTB in the Democratic Party will be wise NOT TO PUSH THE PANIC BUTTON.

Obama can sell a freezer to an Eskimo, all is well.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:37 PM
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36. I was never scared that people would be taken in by it all. I was worried that
it was that infamous Republicans' 'noise-machine' being used at full throttle, to enable them to skew the polls and make it look as if people had turned against Obama. I strongly suspect my fears have been substantiated.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:31 PM
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37. Apparently you have selective reading ability and missed this...
"Obama made a major speech on Tuesday addressing the race issue in large part to help move past the controversy. While Tuesday night polling showed no immediate benefit for Obama, the Wednesday results were more favorable to him, as reflected in the slight drop in Clinton's three-day average lead. This suggests at least the possibility that Obama has stopped his losses. The tracking data over the next several days will be a crucial indicator of the lasting impact, if any, of the Wright controversy."

from the Gallup polling sites statistics that are being quoted in your link. Link is here.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105517/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Holds-Onto-Lead-Over-Obama.aspx

The poll was published today, but admits that it is not clearly showing the results of the post-speech responses because the polling was primarily pre-speech. They recommendation. . . stay tuned because Obama appears to be rebounding
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