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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:22 PM
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JUST RELEASED - OBAMA MEMO CALLS CLINTONS LIES ON NAFTA!!!
Just released on the Obama blog, please find the complete text of the memo from Barack Obama's campaign (all emphasis is my doing).

Senator Clinton made her “opposition” to NAFTA a cornerstone of her Ohio campaign. There was only one problem: she wasn’t telling the truth to Ohio voters. Misrepresenting your position and carefully parsing your words when you don’t think you’ll get caught are the hallmarks of the kind of politics that Barack Obama is running to change. That’s the kind of politics that led us into war in Iraq and gave us a tax code that lets those with offshore investments pay a lower tax rate than the average working family in Pennsylvania.

It’s about trust.

Working Americans are looking for a President who will be consistent in standing up for American workers—and have the integrity to be consistent in his or her views. Senator Clinton has failed that test: though she now rails against NAFTA on the campaign trail, her records as first lady show that she actively lobbied for NAFTA’s passage.

Thousands of pages of Hillary Clinton’s White House schedules released yesterday show that she was one of the administration’s top proponents of NAFTA, attending at least four meetings to advocate for its passage.

That was then. Now that she’s running for President, Clinton has changed her tune. Less than a month ago, Clinton said at a debate that “I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning. I didn't have a public position on it, because I was part of the administration, but when I started running for the Senate, I have been a critic.”

Really? Attendees at the 1993 NAFTA briefing where Clinton served as the closing act say that she was “totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy.”

American workers are already facing the uncertainly of a changing economy. The last thing they need is another President who changes views when there’s an election coming up.

“A CRITIC OF NAFTA FROM THE VERY BEGINNING”?

Clinton Said “I Have Been A Critic Of NAFTA >From The Very Beginning.” Clinton: “You know, I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning. I didn't have a public position on it, because I was part of the administration, but when I started running for the Senate, I have been a critic.”

Clinton Said That NAFTA Was “Negotiated Under President George H.W. Bush And It Was Passed During My Husband’s Presidency. But I Was Always Uncomfortable About Certain Aspects Of It, And I Have Always Made That Clear.” Clinton on her position: NAFTA was “negotiated under President George H.W. Bush and it was passed during my husband's presidency. But I was always uncomfortable about certain aspects of it, and I have always made that clear.”

Clinton: “I Had Said That For Many Years” That We Should Fix NAFTA. Asked how she would “fix” NAFTA, Clinton responded, “Well, I had said that for many years, that, you know, NAFTA and the way it’s been implemented has hurt a lot of American workers. In fact, I did a study in New York looking at the impact of NAFTA on business people, workers and farmers who couldn’t get their products into Canada despite NAFTA. So, clearly we have to have a broad reform in how we approach trade. NAFTA’s a piece of it, but it’s not the only piece of it. I believe in smart trade. I’ve said that for years.”

Clinton Campaign: “Clinton Has Been Voicing Serious Concerns About Trade Agreements For Years.” In response to criticism of Clinton’s trade stance, Clinton’s spokesperson said “Senator Obama must have been talking about himself because as recently as 2004, he was saying the United States should pursue trade deals like Nafta. The fact is that Senator Clinton has been voicing serious concerns about trade agreements for years.”

THE RECORD: NAFTA MEETINGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

NOVEMBER 10, 1993: Clinton Served “As The Closing Act During A Briefing On NAFTA, The Trade Agreement She Now Assails.” Clinton served “as the closing act during a briefing on NAFTA, the trade agreement she now assails.” According to her schedule, at 11:30 am - 11:45 am Clinton did a “NAFTA briefing drop-by” with approximately 120 expected to attend and Clinton concluding the program.

Ø ABC: Two Attendees Said “It Wasn’t A Drop-By It Was Organized Around Her Participation” And “Her Remarks Were Totally Pro-NAFTA And What A Good Thing It Would Be For The Economy.” “Two attendees of that closed-door briefing, neither of whom are affiliated with any campaign, describe that event for ABC News. It was a room full of women involved in international trade. David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies as various women members of the Cabinet talked up NAFTA, which had yet to pass Congress. ‘It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation,’ said one attendee. ‘Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA.’ That first attendee recalls that the First Lady's office in the East Wing put together ‘the invitation list, who was invited authorizations and all that stuff.’ And what is this attendee's response to Clinton today distancing herself from NAFTA? ‘For people who worked hard to pass NAFTA and who support the importance of markets opening for the economy in the long term, they're very upset. A number of the women who were there are very upset. You need to have some integrity in your position. The Clintons when Bill Clinton was president took a moderate position on trade for Democrats. For her to repudiate that now seems pretty phony.’ Recalls a second attendee, ‘they were looking for women in international trade who supported NAFTA. Senator Clinton came by at the end. And of course she asked for our support and help in passing NAFTA.’ Women who attended that event, the second attendee says, have been incredulous to see Clinton distance herself from the trade agreement as she campaigns today. ‘They're all saying, ‘What's this all about?’ We all heard it firsthand.’ She says Clinton isn't being honest with voters today.”

AUGUST 9, 1993: Clinton Attended Back-To-Back Meetings On NAFTA. According to Hillary Clinton’s schedule, she attended a NAFTA meeting that was tentative with the President at 5:10 pm and a NAFTA/Health meeting with the President at 6 pm.

OCTOBER 5, 1993: Clinton Attended Meeting On NAFTA. According to Hillary Clinton’s schedule, she attended a NAFTA meeting that from 10:30am-12am.

MEET ME IN OHIO!

Clinton Criticized Obama For Sending Out A NAFTA Mailer And Said “I Have To Express My Deep Disappointment That He Is Continuing To Send False And Discrediting Mailings With Information That Is Not True To Voters Of Ohio. … It Has Been Discredited. It Is Blatantly False And Yet He Continues To Spend Millions Of Dollars Perpetuating Falsehoods” And Added That Newsday Had Corrected The Record About Her Views On The Agreement. Clinton: “We’ve been drawing contrasts in this campaign, and I think that's important for voters so that they know where we stand, what our records are, what it is we will do as president. Today, in the crowd, I was given two mailings that Senator Obama's campaign is sending out, and I have to express my deep disappointment that he is continuing to send false and discredited mailings with information that is not true to the voters of Ohio. He says one thing in speeches and then he turns around and does this, and we have consistently called him on it. It has been discredited. It is blatantly false and yet he continues to spend millions of dollars perpetuating falsehoods. That is not the new politics that the speeches are about. It is not hopeful; it is destructive. … This mailing about NAFTA, saying that I believe NAFTA was a, quote, boon, quotes a newspaper that had corrected the record. We have pointed it out. The newspaper has pointed it out. Time and time again, you hear one thing in speeches and then you see a campaign that has the worst kind of tactics reminiscent of the same sort of Republican attacks on Democrats. Well, I am here to say that it is not only wrong, but it is undermining core Democratic principles. … Enough with the speeches and the big rallies and then using tactics that are right out of Karl Rove's playbook. This is wrong, and every Democrat should be outraged because this is the kind of attack that not only undermines poor Democratic values, but gives aid and comfort to the very special interests and their allies in the Republican Party who are against doing what we want to do for America. So, shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public. That’s what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio. Let’s have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign.”

NEW EVIDENCE CONTRADICTS PREVIOUS MEDIA REPORTS

Obama’s Attack On Clinton’s NAFTA Position Is, “Most Observers Say, Misleading.” “As the 2008 campaign shifts to economically hard-hit states like Ohio, so too do the topics of political debate. This week, Sen. Barack Obama's campaign has attacked Sen. Hillary Clinton on trade, arguing that she was once a supporter of the North American Free Trade Agreement that contributed to the loss hundreds of thousands of American jobs. ‘A little more than a year ago,’ an Obama mailer reads, "Hillary Clinton thought NAFTA was a 'boon' to the economy.’ The piece goes on to argue that the New York Senator is ‘changing her tune’ now that she's campaigning in the Buckeye State. The attack is, most observers say, misleading. The "boon" line, a paraphrase lifted from a September 2006 Newsday article, has yet to be confirmed as an authentic quote. But, more importantly, the mailer misrepresents what former Clinton administration officials and biographers say was Hillary Clinton's long-held opposition to the legislation.”

Mickey Kantor Said “Hillary Clinton Was One Of The Great Skeptics” Of NAFTA. “’In August in 92, we had to make a decision,’ Mickey Kantor the former U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Clinton adviser, and free trade advocate recalled for the Huffington Post. ‘President Clinton had to make a decision as governor, whether or not he would support NAFTA, and of course he did... Hillary Clinton was one of the great skeptics in the discussion as to whether he should do. So she was always skeptical beginning in 1992 and onward.’”


David Gergen Said Clinton “Was Extremely Unenthusiastic About NAFTA. “I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA."


The link is below:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBHYM
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:24 PM
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1. She looks ya in the eye with a big fat lie. That's how she operates.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:26 PM
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3. Really? *HE* said he wouldn't be running until he fulfilled a term as US Senator
with a straight face and everything. He also said he wasn't always against the war from the beginning.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:31 PM
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6. They All Say That
how dare he not wait his turn.
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trained specialist Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:50 PM
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56. Obama Goin' Negative Again?
After wading out of his own shit creek, he throws a little around.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:39 PM
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14. That's it?
That's your comeback to bold outright documented proven LYING on important policy?

It's getting a little desperate in here.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:21 PM
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27. LOL - Obama knows what she said at those meetings? " to advocate for its passage" ?- desparate dirt
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BrklynGreenDog Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:15 PM
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36. Desparate, unprofessional and ACTIONABLE. See post #35
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TomBall Democrat Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:15 AM
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51. She and Bill strongly supported NAFTA
and discussed it on the campaign trail.

I was there. NAFTA scared a lot of Texans, and I recall that I was one of them.

But, younger then, more willing to trust the better educated Clintons - I thought well, they know more than I.

Not buying their load of luggage anymore.

She supported it, I remember it.

She's desperate, and desperate people do and say desperate things. This is not going to happen for her, and she can't stand losing.

Hillary reminds me of Lucy from Peanuts directing and expecting all to follow. Do ya'll remember the bossy girl from the playground who always had to run the games? That's Hill. And now, the bossy girl is mad because we've found a new game, and she can't run it. Her tone is shrill, angry, and divisive.

NAFTA pro or con has nada to do with why I won't support her. She is poorly qualified by her temperament to be President of the United States. If she wasn't Bill's wife, we wouldn't even be considering her.

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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:20 PM
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30. He HAD to run. We had NOBODY. Democrats aren't going to vote for Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA Hillary.
It would be a disgrace to promote this disaster.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:26 PM
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4. She lies with such flair and the greatest of ease
She is the gal on the lying trapeze
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:37 PM
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13. And she learned it all from the guy
who looked us in the eye
with the greatest of ease
and said, I did not have
sex with that woman!
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:25 PM
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2. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:36 PM
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12. Thank you
I've been here for a while now but just reading and recently though I need to jump in with the race becoming so venomous. I just COULDN'T sit by and see this play out w/o doing SOMETHING.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:27 PM
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5. She's a fucking liar.
This whole thing is about her becoming the first woman president. She has 0 plans or ability to lead this country. Can we now see her for the desperate, lying corporate shill she really is. She fed the morons of Ohio her line of shit, and they bought it. Disgusting.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:22 PM
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31. This is the bottom line on the Clintons. For all the hoopla...this explains it all.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:31 PM
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7. Lies, lie, and more lies
When will the Democratic party see through the facade she's put up? Nothing is beneath her.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:32 PM
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8. Not that we didn't know this but bookmarked for reference n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:34 PM
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9. So Hill pulled the old "okie doke" on Ohio.
:rofl: I'm shocked.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:34 PM
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10. Hillary Busted in a BIG TIME LIE! (nt)
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:35 PM
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11. She is a bald faced liar.
If Obama had done this the media and DU would be filled
w/ anti Obama comments.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:45 PM
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15. She got what she wanted from Ohio.
Clearly, thats all that matters. Havent seen this on the MSM though. Big surprise.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:47 PM
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17. Are you really surprised?
I'm not... Selective hearing, seeing, reporting seems to be the fad in American politics and media.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:52 PM
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18. Not at all, unfortunately.
Her "Shame On You" rant was played non-stop. But evidence showing that she was full of shit... no need to report that. la la laaaaa.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #18
52. yeah, exactly...
"shame on you"

I live in Ohio, and I'm pissed...
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:47 PM
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16. But, but, buut, I thought she was vetted
already so McCain wouldn't have a bad word to say about her. How could this be?
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yuma300 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:54 PM
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19. Breaking: meeting organizer says Hillary was Nafta CRITIC
The quote has been pulished in Hillary's website. This is huge, and a blow for the Obama campaign.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6639
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:55 PM
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20. That URL
is an oxymoron.
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yuma300 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:01 PM
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23. are you saying the meeting organizer didn't say Hillary was critical of NAFTA?
If so, the Obama campaign should call her on her lie.

For now, I see no reason why the campaign would take such risk.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:17 PM
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34. They did....see the OP.
Please put the Queen Hillary Kool Aid down, OK? She is a liar. That is the unmitigated fact...a bald faced LIAR.

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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:10 PM
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25. This is old news
HRC actually attended FOUR such meetings and even chaired one of them. Do you think Bill would ask her to do that if she was criticizing NAFTA?
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:15 PM
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29. The other side of the coin
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:55 PM
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21. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:56 PM
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22. sure, ignore the last two paragraphs... pick and choose your info...
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:09 PM
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24. Hillary did not lie. This article does not list even ONE lie that she told.
If Hillary is a liar, then WHAT IS THE DAMNED LIE??

This is more misdirection from Mr. Bring-Us-Together. This attack piece CLAIMS Hillary was for NAFTA back during the Clinton Administration, but no way does it prove it.

What they are trying to pass off as 'proof,' is a copy of Hillary's itinerary that showed that she showed up at a supposedly pro-NAFTA function for FIFTEEN MINUTES one day in 1993.

What did she do or say during those 15 minutes? The article doesn't say. In fact, it does not even come close to saying. So why are we to believe that Hillary promoted NAFTA at this meeting? Because two people whom the article (for some reason) cannot name -- who SAY they were there -- say that their MEMORY of the event (which happened 15 years ago) is that Hillary was very pro-Nafta in her remarks.

But they can't tell you what a single one of those remarks WERE!

This article cites no transcript.

It cites not one named witness.

It cites not one specific quote.

It provides not one actual fact that shows anything other than Hillary dropped in on that meeting that day because Bill asked her to.

If Hillary were a liar, it would be easy for somebody in the Obama campaign to quote the actual words she used when she told the lies they accuse her of. But they can't do it.

Because Hillary is not a liar. Which means the Obama campaign is.



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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Are you serious?
Look at this link, then look within yourself and tell me if you seriously believe that Hillary never lied!!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/hillary-clint-1.html
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:03 PM
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32. Lying and Liars
I am so sick of the lying and the Liars in Washington, from the politicians to the media, from George W. Bush, to Hillary Clinton to David Gergen.

they have no respect for the American people or, quite frankly, themselves. they don't care about ethics or anything as long as they get what they want.

IT'S TIME TO STOP IT. IT'SOVER. AMERICA IS FED UP WITH THE LYING AND THE LIARS.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:18 AM
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42. Ask Peter Paul if you want to know what the Damned Lie is N/T
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:13 PM
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26. K&R
:kick:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:07 PM
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33. HA - HA!
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BrklynGreenDog Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:07 PM
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35. Obama should be sued for this. Extremely libelous and ludicrous posting.
This should be taken off his web site and the person responsible immediately fired. It is EXTREMELY libelous and damaging to his own credibility.

The article sites unnamed attendees at one briefing, then uses quotes to imply authenticity. There is a legal term for this, hearsay, which Obama as a lawyer knows quite well. It uses extremely defamatory language stating she is not telling the truth, and the repost is worse claiming lies. Please understand, something is not a lie when you don't want to believe it.

Way, way down in the post there are quotes from IDENTIFIED and CREDIBLE professionals stating she was skeptical and opposed to NAFTA. Why are they credible? Because they are identified. Whatever you think of their punditry, they aren't going to blow their careers on easily disprovable statements. Would anyone say those things knowing the numerous other people and documents that existed that would clearly contradict them?

And what of these heralded schedule documents? The writer clearly implies that they contain new information contradicting HRC's statements. The schedules show she attended meetings NOT what was said in the meetings. It is implied that she has denied attending meetings, which of course she has not, and the sourced statements make quite clear.

I would submit this to The Daily Howler, but the writing style is so amateurish ("Really?", "Totally", "'Opposisition'") and the strident style so stereotypical of cheap politics that he would probably just recommend they take a simple journalism class. Next I expect a post that there is a conspiracy of MSM to cover this up.

That the Obama campaign leaves this junk up undermines their professionalism.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:35 PM
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38. There are also quotes from people who were there that say she always supported NAFTA, the documents
support this, all you have are words from Clinton Cronies
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BrklynGreenDog Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:49 AM
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57. Putting quotes around words don't make them quotations.
There are no citations, no one on record. Calling Gergen and others names is lame. Their independence is well established.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:25 AM
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43. Hilary beat him to it - She's being sued by Peter Paul -- Remember?
From what I see, Hilary could be convicted of a Felony for a story thats been buried deeper than the US Attorney scandal.

Hilary thinks she can twist the words real pretty like any lawyer does, but Gonzales opened up America's eyes and we won't be fooled again.

She has no credibility anymore, and is more suited for litigation than POTUS.

The more I see from her campaign, the more I know that Obama is the right person to help lead us out of this nightmare of legal hell created by the Corporate lawyers, of which Hilary is most certainly a member.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 PM
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37. she would say anything to get elected
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:29 AM
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39. David Sirota: Clinton Gets Caught Again on NAFTA
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/clinton-gets-caught-again_b_88200.html

David Sirota
Clinton Gets Caught Again on NAFTA

Posted February 24, 2008

According to NBC's Meet the Press, in 2004, Clinton said, "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America."

In her memoir, Clinton trumpeted her husband's "successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

And in 1998, Bloomberg News reports that she praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Another direct quote.

I went over two of these three quotes - and some more - in my recent syndicated column, which you can read here. And, as predicted, this issue has now become the central focus in the Ohio primary - the primary that could decide the Democratic nomination.

However you feel about NAFTA - and if you are a typical American, polls show you likely do not like it - Clinton now trying to lie and say she never really supported NAFTA is an absolute insult. It further suggests that on really important economic issues, she's more than happy to lie about provable facts when it suits her political needs.

UPDATE: Here's another direct quote from Hillary Clinton on NAFTA. The Associated Press reported on 3/6/96 that she said, "NAFTA is proving its worth" and later praising NAFTA as "a free and fair trade agreement."
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:56 AM
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40. Sadly Obama blew this blog entry.
He should read it first

<snip>
NEW EVIDENCE CONTRADICTS PREVIOUS MEDIA REPORTS



Obama’s Attack On Clinton’s NAFTA Position Is, “Most Observers Say, Misleading.” “As the 2008 campaign shifts to economically hard-hit states like Ohio, so too do the topics of political debate. This week, Sen. Barack Obama's campaign has attacked Sen. Hillary Clinton on trade, arguing that she was once a supporter of the North American Free Trade Agreement that contributed to the loss hundreds of thousands of American jobs. ‘A little more than a year ago,’ an Obama mailer reads, "Hillary Clinton thought NAFTA was a 'boon' to the economy.’ The piece goes on to argue that the New York Senator is ‘changing her tune’ now that she's campaigning in the Buckeye State. The attack is, most observers say, misleading. The "boon" line, a paraphrase lifted from a September 2006 Newsday article, has yet to be confirmed as an authentic quote. But, more importantly, the mailer misrepresents what former Clinton administration officials and biographers say was Hillary Clinton's long-held opposition to the legislation.”
Mickey Kantor Said “Hillary Clinton Was One Of The Great Skeptics” Of NAFTA. “’In August in 92, we had to make a decision,’ Mickey Kantor the former U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Clinton adviser, and free trade advocate recalled for the Huffington Post. ‘President Clinton had to make a decision as governor, whether or not he would support NAFTA, and of course he did... Hillary Clinton was one of the great skeptics in the discussion as to whether he should do. So she was always skeptical beginning in 1992 and onward.’”
David Gergen Said Clinton “Was Extremely Unenthusiastic About NAFTA. “I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA."
<snip>

So should most people on this thread.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:31 AM
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45. I go by what she said on record, not some Talking Head.
The real evidence is what she said, not from what somebody else remembers.

Follow the money.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:34 AM
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47. Thank you...
The report=her own public support statements=truth
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:06 AM
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48. Thank you...
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:33 AM
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46. the 11,000 page report contradicts that "debunking"
as does her public statements regarding Nafta
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:34 PM
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54. Source? nt
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:48 PM
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55. Look at the freakin' OP
I quoted from that

It's on Barack's own site.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:59 AM
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41. Debunk at #40. Remember, people: ALL accusations against the Clintons are bullshit.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:31 AM
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44. It's not debunked!
It's in her 11,000 page documents that were released

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:32 PM
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53. where?
can you link to it?

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:11 AM
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49. Just talked about this on Central Ohio's NPR local news and the story was damning to Clinton.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:18 AM
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50. I hope the Clinton blue collar voters in Ohio realize how badly Hillary
and their own damn Governor lied to them!

These facts need to be spread all over Pennsylvania. Let the people know how Hillary Clinton, the NAFTA Queen, really feels about the high paying middle class jobs she killed with her free trade bullshit!

Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't give a rats ass about working class people.

Well she does at election time, but afterwords she sends the middle class to neocon wars and destroys their jobs!:mad:
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