The alliance is being formed...Hillary, McCain, Republican party vs. Barack Obama

[State the Obvious]

Get ready for it. Hillary implied yesterday that Obama was "un-American" because of his lack of support for the Michigan revote. (Rules are meaningless to Hillary).

I heard this morning that the Republican party will be using the Hillary statement about "un-American" (Obama)...along with Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....along with Rev. Wright's tirade.... and the fact that Obama doesn't wear a flag pin to influence the election outcome.

Hillary will do ANYTHING to get this nomination....which is a reflection of the kind of person we DO NOT want in the oval office.

My support for Barack Obama is now stronger that ever.

[UALRBSofL]

1. Wow, what propaganda. This is the type of vitriol we have been expecting

This is what the MSM warned us about. They were saying the Obama camp told the supporters to slime the internet with this kind of stuff. So, this is just proof of what has been going around on the internet.

[State the Obvious]

3. Slime the internet?

This was on World News Now (ABC) this morning.

[Lucky 13]

6. I hear it is quite the other way around.

I've heard from several sources that Hillary supporters have been told to create multiple identities on blogs and post their propaganda bullshit ad nauseum.

Again we see the tactic: Do something slimy and before anyone notices, accuse your opponent of the same thing. The VERY reason I will not CONSIDER voting for that woman.
:puke:

[BOSSHOG]

2. She also has an alliance with Al-Quada

and she has statues of Hitler in her home which she worships. She also has young children brought to her home and she kills them and eats their organs.

[grasswire]

4. no, you are wrong

The strategy devised by the Obama camp and clearly admitted to by his own staff is to link Hillary to McCain and Bush.

You'd better watch his Wednesday speech and count the times he does this. It's a political strategy of the most calculating and cynical kind.

[TwilightGardener]

5. She is linked to McCain and Bush, because she voted for Bush's war

and equated herself to McCain and praised him.

[grasswire]

7. I'm describing the political strategy.

It's akin to what the hacks did to John McCain in South Carolina and what was done to John Kerry. Tie your opponent to bad things.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Well, that's what they're trying to do to Obama, right?

[VolcanoJen]

10. So, criticizing a candidate's war vote is, in your mind, equivalent....

... to making up rumors about a candidate's black baby, or spreading a lie so fast and furious that it conviced Americans that war hero John Kerry shot himself to get a purple heart?

Is that seriously what you are suggesting here?

[grasswire]

21. you've misstated the point

Obama's strategy is not to criticize her for her war vote. His strategy is to make all Bush evil policies and practices and McCain's flaws HERS by association.

It's honest to say "Hillary Clinton should not have voted for the IWR."

It's strategic to say "Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hilary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain ... Hillary Clinton, George Bush and John McCain..."

He did that in Wednesday's speech.

[karynnj]

15. Not to be nasty, that is as bad a comment as those I am critisizing the Clintons for today

I am an Obama supporter, but I do believe that there is significant difference on Iraq between Clinton, on one hand and Bush and McCain on the other. It is wrong to equate them for the same reasons it is wrong for Clinton to say things that could hurt Obama. HRC could end up the candidate - though I personally hope not.

Even if you ignore the vote, I fault HRC for NOT speaking up in the 5 months before Bush invaded or condemning it when it happened - doing that would make her current justification ring true. But, I think it unlikely she would have invaded had she been President. We know Bush did and we know McCain was for such things even in 2000. That's difference 1.

Difference 2 is what they would do in the future. That is something with all three you have to take on faith. There, between Obama and HRC, I look at their advisers and their statements. Although I wish he voted for Kerry/Feingold, I do see Obama less likely than HRC to be sucked into being this war's "Nixon", running on peace, then escalating the war. But, I have to believe Senator Kerry's comment that on Iraq as on the other issues, the differences between the Democrats is small compared to the enormous difference between them and the Republicans. As the one who led the Senate Democrats in 2006 to commit to a deadline, I am convinced that he would have very good insight on this - and I trust that he cares enough that if he believed that HRC would be like McCain or Bush, he would say so. The biggest difference is that I accept that Obama could resolve things better.

[TwilightGardener]

16. Well, to me, Hillary isn't much better than either McCain or Bush, so

they're pretty much equated, in my mind. I won't vote for her.

[goletian]

19. she did more than equate herself to mccain, she placed him above even herself! - nt

[Lucky 13]

11. Don't you get it? They ARE linked in SO many ways.

Saying otherwise flies in the face of all the evidence.

And acting all outraged about someone pointing out the vast similarities... typical Hillary tactics. We stopped buying that drama-queen bullshit months ago.

[Upton]

9. What do you mean "being formed"?

It's been formed for quite awhile now.

[Texas Hill Country]

12. ridiculous... wow, my ignore list is getting huge.

[MadHound]

13. Hillary is allowing herself to be used by the RW in this country

McCain is a weak candidate, and the RW knows it. Therefore they are backing Hillary, knowing that she is an even weaker candidate, one that McCain can beat. So they have their supporters vote for her in the primaries, do fundraising for her, even give her favorable press(for now). She blithely and blindly goes along with this, since it furthers her ambition, and hell, she even tosses a bone back to the RW now and again, like that little comment that she made about herself and McCain being experienced. Thus we have Hillary and the RW in a temporary, uneasy alliance trying to knock out Obama. What Hillary either doesn't realize, or doesn't care about is the fact that all this support she's currently getting from the RW is going to turn to so much dust if she gets the nod. In fact she will be attacked and bludgeoned repeatedly, as the RW drags out all the old crap and puts in some new. She will be beaten and bloodied within a month of the convention, and she'll do well to make it across the finish line, never mind winning the election.

However like I said, she doesn't seem, or doesn't want to understand what's going on here, all she knows is that this RW support is, in the short term, helping her campaign, and that's all she cares about. That's one of her bigger negatives, she's a short term thinker, much like she didn't have a plan for after Super Tuesday. She doesn't think strategically or sort through all the possibilities. Just one more reason she's not fit for the presidency.

[VolcanoJen]

14. Excellent post, MadHound.

:thumbsup:

[TwilightGardener]

17. Yep. You said it.

[Froward69]

18. Second!!!

spot on Mad hound!!!

[writes3000]

20. Correct. And this will end the same way Hillary's excerise in Health Reform ended.

But this time, the country will pay the price for it.

Hillary Clinton: Lose at any cost.

[1776Forever]

22. Why aren't the MSM talking about these issues on HRC????

HRC has links to the big guys all over the place. Bill has ties to Dubai and Saudi Arabia who gave him millions, to a man named Gupta who gave the Clinton's free trips and use of his jet for pay backs whose backers filed a court case against him for, and there is a trial coming up in Nov. 2008 where she will have to testify on 2 million dollars that has not been reported:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-3-M4L_1HA

Let alone her ties to Murdoch and his gang:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5162271&mesg_id=5162271

We need to keep on the media to get this information out! Why aren't they talking about this if they want to tell the truth about Hillary! It is disgusting that people are so naive!

Be Vigilant!

:patriot: