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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:26 PM
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In Speech, Obama Contradicted More Than a Year of Denials About His Knowledge of Rev.Wright's Sermon
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 01:33 PM by ElsewheresDaughter

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4480868&page=1


Buried in his eloquent, highly praised speech on America's racial divide, Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons.
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Similarly, Obama also has only recently given a much fuller accounting of his relationship with indicted political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a longtime friend, who his campaign once described as just one of "thousands of donors."

Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage.

"I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month.

"He has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel; so he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that," Obama said on March 2.

His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

Obama did not say what he heard that he considered "controversial," and the campaign has yet to answer repeated requests for dates on which the senator attended Rev. Wright's sermons over the last 20 years.

In the case of his relationship with Rezko, Obama has also been slow to acknowledge the full extent of his relationship.

It was only last week that he revealed Rezko had raised some $250,000 in campaign contributions for him.

The campaign had initially claimed Rezko-connected contributions were no more than $60,000, an amount the campaign donated to charity. Then the figure grew to around $86,000, and there were additional revelations that put the amount at about $150,000. Obama's $250,000 accounting was a substantial jump and clearly contradicted earlier campaign statements that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."

Rezko is now on trial in federal court in Chicago, charged with a pattern of bribing state officials to obtain various Illinois state contracts. Rezko has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Obama was initially vague about Rezko's role in helping him buy a new home on Chicago's south side. Unable to afford an adjacent vacant lot the seller wanted to sell at the same time as the house, Obama approached Rezko. Rezko's wife bought the lot on the same day Obama bought the house, and then later, Mrs. Rezko sold the Obamas a strip of the lot which gave the Obamas a larger backyard.

Obama called it a "bone-headed" mistake but never revealed, until he met with Chicago reporters last week, that Rezko had actually toured the house with him and been deeply involved in the transaction.

In a statement, campaign press secretary Bill Burton said, "Last week, Sen. Obama spent almost three hours answering every single question about Tony Rezko posed by the local reporters who've covered the story closest for years. Those newspapers said they were more than satisfied with his open, honest answers. We've given all of the money contributed to Barack Obama's federal campaigns that could reasonably be credited to Mr. Rezko's political support to charity. Sen. Obama also provided an estimate of the most that could have possibly been raised as a result of Mr. Rezko's efforts, but that estimate is not a basis upon which any individual contributions can be donated to charity. "

more.... http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4480868&page=1


Rezko Played Bigger Role, Obama Says


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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:27 PM
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1. the Great Panderer. nt.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:01 PM
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38. Of course he heard controversial comments.
When you say you heard controversial comments, your not saying you heard or particularly heard anti-war comments.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

"...he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air."


Media is flame baiting or what?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:30 PM
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2. Old school politicking ... NOT THIS TIME!
You may think that all of what you've posted is important when it comes to
choosing the next leader of our nation (and by extension the free world) but
IT IS NOT. It is the nit-picking 20th Century politics of personal destruction.

NOT THIS TIME.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:12 PM
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21. He's a big fat liar--picky picky picky?
New politics indeed! :eyes:

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:18 PM
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24. Clinton of all people should recognize PARSING ...
"It's about what the meaning of the word 'is' is ... "

Obama did NOT admit that he was in church for the incendiary sermons
IN QUESTION -- he may have heard controversial things from his minister,
but NOT the specific ones in the Fixed Noize loop that brought us to
this point.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:53 PM
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43. He would not have admitted anything AT ALL unless he knew there
was incriminating evidence that was about to hit him where it hurts, believability (or in this case, lack of.)

That is his modus operandi.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:31 PM
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3. There is absolutely no contradiction in any of his statements on this
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 01:31 PM by stahbrett
He previously said that he was aware that the pastor made some controversial statements. He said that the specific statements that are playing around the clock on Fox News and other places are not ones that he heard personally, and that many of them came to his attention only when he was beginning his presidential campaign.

In other words, when in his speech yesterday, he said ""Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes." That does NOT contradict anything in my first paragraph.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:32 PM
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5. I think the pastor was right on the ball
What did he say that wasn't true?
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:35 PM
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8. This thread was started under the false premise that Obama contradicted himself
There are tons of other threads discussing the content of the pastor's controversial sermons that are being aired all over the place...
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:37 PM
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10. In that case, I would ask Senator Obama this....
Exactly WHAT did you hear Pastor Wright say that was controversial?

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:47 PM
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41. I'm confused what they are saying the contradiction
was. I just read all the transcripts from Fridays interviews and he didn't say he didn't hear controversial statements. He only said he didn't hear the particular ones repeated on the clips.
I don't see a contradiction except between the press and sanity.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:31 PM
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4. No he didn't.
He had previously said he hadn't seen the most controversial and inflammatory statements that have been making the rounds lately. He never once said he had never seen Wright say ANYTHING controversial. He had in fact stated the exact opposite several times well before he ever gave that speech.

This kind of word twisting and distortion should be beneath the people on this forum.
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:42 PM
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13. Again, when you drill down to the specifics....
Obama's story falls apart. Ask him WHAT he heard while sitting in church, that HE considered controversial, since he already indicated yesterday that he DID hear controversial remarks.

Also, he said last week that he does not consider his church controversial, now he says that he heard controversial remarks.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:39 PM
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29. Falls apart *how*? Where are YOUR specifics?
You're the one making the claim here, back it up. Just saying it is so doesn't make it so.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:42 PM
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15. It's not the forum
It's Brian Ross of ABC news who's distorting the facts.

The response to his charges is so obvious it's embarassing that he even wrote the story. There's no contradiction.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:34 PM
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6. Nice Try
NOT THIS TIME.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:34 PM
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7. Oh for fuck's sake.
Was he in church when the pastor said "God damn America"? NO.

Has he heard other controversial remarks? YES.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:35 PM
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9. This is a stupid hit

His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.



Where is the contradiction? He said he never heard the pastor say Anti-USA

So by this ABC bloggers reasoning then anythin contrversial in the church has to be Anti-American
by the way determing Anti-American is subjective, I remember when I was protesting the war, I was called Anti-American
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:37 PM
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11. I hope you Clinton supporters are smart enough to know.........
.........that ABC's parent company, Disney, has been a right wing tool for the last 8 years, and just like Newsmax or other right wing websites they shouldnt be linked to here.

They are little better than Fox News in their bias against Democrats, and they are trying to bring Obama down because they too think Hillary is the easiest to beat in the GE.

Watch how fast they would turn on Hillary if she managed to obtain the nomination.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:39 PM
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12. Not true. Why don't you hold Hillary to the same standard? She contradicts herself hourly.
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HarveyBrooks Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:58 PM
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18. OK...
give me 3 examples from the last 3 hours.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:03 PM
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40. when she does, i do.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:42 PM
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14. AWESOME. 20 **YEARS** of CONVTROVERSIAL sermons.
*muhahahah* Obama is toast.

I am eagerly awaiting the 20 YEARS of "controversial" hate-filled sermons with which we may tar & feather Obama!

Shit, why didn't *KEYES* think of this? Then we wouldn't have this little Obama problem in the first place.

GO HILLARY!
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:55 PM
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17. You gotta wonder why....
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 01:56 PM by nickn777
Obama never stood up after 2001, and gave a speech to his church condemning Pastor Wright, 5 days after 9/11, when Wright blamed the U.S. for the attacks. He waited until now, when it was politically convenient, and necessary, to do so.

Makes you wonder how strongly he really condemns Wright's words.

Obama telling us that all of our pastors and priests make these types of remarks was almost laughable.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:13 PM
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22. because prior to this primary season,
it was simply not in the mindset of most reasonable people to hold parishioners responsible for their clergy's remarks.
The very idea is, well, laughable.

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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:20 PM
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26. ordinary parishioners, i agree...
but this is a man that formed a 20 year bond with Wright, used him as his mentor and spirtual balance, used him to title his first book, married him, baptised his kids, etc......there is far closer relationship between Obama and Wright than most people and their pastors, priests, etc..
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:45 PM
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16. And Brain Ross gets the kiss of death.
Joe & Valerie Wilson
RFK Jr
Larry Johnson
Jerome Armstrong
Hugh Shelton
John Glen
Jack Nicholson
Maxine Waters
John Murtha

Plus many, many more.

And now Brian Ross.

Heavy sigh.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:01 PM
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20. sad indeed Ross is a one of the few good investigative reports in the MSM
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:08 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
his recent work is a three-part series on the existence of secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe where top al Qaeda figures were held. The exclusive investigation, which aired on "World News Tonight" and "Nightline," garnered a 2005 George Polk Award, the fifth time he has won the award in his career.
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Henryman Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:59 PM
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19. Keep trying to get that square peg into the round hole!!
Please read or watch Obama's statements. Then read or watch the speech.
There is absolutely NO contradiction.
You can wish it all you want but it's not true.
You know, there are plenty of other Obama issues you can discuss without fabricating new ones.
It's a lot nicer here in DU when we can discuss real issues. Let's try it!
Thanks.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:15 PM
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23. This story isn't going away
and his speech yesterday was more salesmanship than statesmanship.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:49 PM
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30. you're right
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:20 PM
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25. For all his investigating of democrats, why doesn't he investigate McCain for fucks sake?
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:24 PM
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27. Oh no! He heard controversial remarks...wash his ears out with soap.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:31 PM
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28. more mindless spin ..don't you people ever get dizzy?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:52 PM
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31. the guy's a snake oil salesman; the truth will out, probably just in time to sink us in the GE.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 PM
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35. pray that the super delegates do their job right
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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36. Amen to that. n/t
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:32 PM
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44. pray that the super delegates do their job right..
fuck the will of the people, right? nader was fucking right after all. no difference. power at any cost.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:54 PM
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32. k and r.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:55 PM
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33. Thanks!
I hadn't seen the abc piece.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:09 PM
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34. k/r
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:42 PM
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37. You should work for the republicans
I don't care if you have legitimate concerns about Obama, but when you start repeating RW spin, you crossed the line.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:57 PM
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49. the GOP thanks you
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:01 PM
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39. Enough of this right wing corporate media smear campaign !!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM
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42. Boy, these fuckers are scared of Obama, aren't they?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:33 PM
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45. i was starting to feel sorry for you people..
now i can't wait till you fucking leave. all 12 of you clinton supporters. this is a fucking joke.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:28 PM
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52. awwww
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:36 PM
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46. Your support for Hillary contradicts your former respect for open government.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:36 PM by blm
You DO respect now - BushInc, because if they are good enough for Clintons to protect, then that is A-OK with you.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:38 PM
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47. I've figured out that they wont kill our leaders & heros like they used to...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:41 PM by Dr Fate
ie JFK, MLK, and RFK (also un-perfect politicians who chose their words carefully)...Too obvious. They will try to kill them with negative media.

I would wish them the best of luck in the spirit of sportsmanship, but they dont need it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:39 PM
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48. How the hell is somebody supposed to know which Sundays they went to church...
For the past TWENTY years? What an asinine request.

Why don't they just ask him how many times he has breathed in the past twenty years?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:10 PM
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50. tithing...they keep records?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:25 PM
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51. Nope. People send in their donations even if they don't attend.
That they've tithed does not prove that they've attended.
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