Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

For a Smart Man, Obama Sure Doesn't Know a Lot of Things

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:47 AM
Original message
For a Smart Man, Obama Sure Doesn't Know a Lot of Things
From CorrenteWire re Obama:

Despite being the editor of the Harvard Law Review and a former law professor, he doesn’t know what “decriminalization” means (hint the “de” in front of criminalization means what it sounds like it would mean). See http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/17/

He didn’t know his nuclear energy bill didn’t pass. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/pol

He didn’t know that the chair of his New Hampshire campaign was a lobbyist. http://www.boston.com/news/local/politic

Despite knowing Tony Rezko for almost 20 years, he had no idea he was a slum lord and influence peddler. And he can’t say for sure how much money Rezko raised for him. See http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob

Despite going to Pastor Wright’s church for 20 years, he had no idea before last year that he had said so many inflammatory things. See http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob

He didn’t always know that pushing the green button was a yes and not a no vote. See http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-

He didn’t know he had once advocated for single payer healthcare. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAkIidChx

He didn’t know that his economic advisor had met with the Canadians and discussed NAFTA. See http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030

He didn’t know he voted for Dick Cheney’s 2005 Energy Bill. See www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3304….

He didn’t know what answers his campaign manager provided to questions on issues such as guns used to secure an important endorsement during his 1996 run. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1

That’s a lot of things for such a smart man not to know. If I didn’t know any better, I might think he’d say anything to win.



http://www.correntewire.com/for_a_smart_man_obama_sure_doesnt_know_a_lot_of_things
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
1. k
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #1
8. Nice work bumping your own post.
Very cute.

Anyway, I looked past all your troll crap yesterday, but I'm not going to read it anymore.

Into the ignore void you go.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #8
16. Hey, whatever it takes to show you the light. Bye, bye.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
2. Yawn....n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
3. Cool. Haven't used ignore yet today. until now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 AM
Response to Original message
4.  and ignore... n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:57 AM
Response to Original message
5. *plonk*
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
6. For a smart Democrat...
you haven't figured out that Hillary can't win, even if she does play so dirty that the rest of us here have to vomit when we hear her name. She has done as much as possible to trash my previous respect for her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #6
20. Oh, Dean avatar. So sorry, my condolences, I didn't know. Too bad, really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #20
34. lol, what does that even mean?
:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #20
44. Ah, DLCer...
so deluded, so enamored of their own they can't see (and don't care)what Dean has done for the party. No, you'd rather plot against him for years while not lifting a finger to help build the party. All those FL dems, who'd rather make kissy-face with Bushco than help the Democratic Party win more seats and stop Bush, who deliberately blame Dean rather than Crist for the current mess. Too bad, really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Blaming the FL voters for screwing up the primary...good idea. Dean played god and thought
everyone would fall in line, well, they didn't. You can't disenfranchise voters and not pay for it later. He didn't even try to figure something out.

Kudos for his hard work earlier on but this, unfortunately, will be what he's remembered for. Oh, and the scream thing too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. But when McAuliffe played God in the same way...
you didn't mind. He threatened states the same way with the same rules but DLC idiots like Nelson respected (or feared) McAuliffe and can't wait to tar Dean with something so they can have an excuse to get rid of him.
The scream thing was a media manipulation and RW talking point... but you knew that, didn't you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:01 AM
Response to Original message
7. You didn't know that deep-sixing BCCI matters led directly to Bush2, 9-11, and this Iraq war
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:03 AM by blm
and that BushInc should have been in jail by the end of 1994 instead of preparing to get back into the White House in 2000.

And YOU don't know that you closed government Democrats are so 90s, but, the continuing protection of BushInc into the next decade depends on your unknowing faithfulness in the Clintons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. Now, that you brought it up..I've been looking around on this "deep sixing" of the BCCI report
and I'm not finding anything. Can you help me out? I'm curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
36. You seriously don't know about BCCI matters? Here's a list of OUTSTANDING MATTERS
at the end of the report that was handed to Clinton when he took office. Compare this list with his book and tell us how he chose to account for these matters during his terms.

And note how many of these issues are STILL current to what has been going on the last ten years around the world, especially the drugrunning, armsdealing and nuclear proliferation networks that fund global terrorism.


APPENDICES

Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
9. Anyone can play this kind of nasty little game. Thanks for
giving me a good idea for my next thread:

For a smart woman Hilly sure doesn't know a lot of things:

She didn't know, despite being warned by her superiors, such as Robert Byrd and Pat Leahy, that she was voting for a blank check for war when she voted for the AUMF and helped start a war that has depleted out treasury and slaughtered hundreds of thousands.

She didn't really understand what she was voting for when she voted for a bankruptcy law that penalized working people, and stated that she was glad it didn't pass... after she voted for it.

She assumed that she'd be handed the dem nomination and stupidly made no plans to compete for after Feb 5.

etc. Now I've got to go gather some more examples so I can write a slammer against hilly dear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
45. Thank you, I intend to read this carefully and do some research.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
53. "her superiors"? That's fairly telling in and of itself.
I don't believe Senator Obama to be sexist. Many of his DU supporters are, however, demonstrably a part of the "Barefoot and Pregnant" brigade. On behalf of the toughest person I know (my mother) and the smartest person I know (my wife), fuck you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. I believe cali was referring to seniority.
She had been a senator for two years. They, more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
10. Funny how Obamabots ignore truth
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Sad, really.
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. Funny, that's how I see hillyfans
as people ignoring obvious truths. Now they even claim that her AUMF vote wasn't a vote for war. Delusional, the lot of you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. Yup, that's right. It was a vote to au-tho-rize our pres to use more power if and when...
oh, well, you know how it goes. You just don't want to admit it. And Obama wasn't even around. He was running a U.S. senate...oops, no, that's what he said..he was running a state senate race. Funny, how he can't get things right, hmmm?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #24
37. Pat Leahy said over and over it was an unconstitutional blank
check. I think he knows a lot more than you.. or Hillary. She's served in the Senate for 7 years. He's been there for fucking 34 years. And he wasn't a corporate lawyer, he was a prosecutor. Yeah, he's got it all over hilly dear on the experience and the judgment front. He's 10x the Senator, Progressive and human being that she is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. Hey, watch your mouth, little missy. Pat Leahy was not fucking in the senate for 34 years. That's
how horrible rumors are started. Relax, you don't have to blow a gasket over this, your candidate's going to win...right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #24
42. So why did so many ignorant DUers know way back then that
is was the wrong way to vote & the wrong president to give the power to?
I would think that she might have at least as much info as we had.
I have avoided attacking Hillary throughout the primary, but people like you make it really hard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #10
21. they just want to ignore or attack you personally if you don't agree with them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
11. Let's all make a list of what we don't know
For the rest of our lives.

Let's make a list of what John McCain doesn't know . . .

Let's make a list of what Bush doesn't know, or is that called his presidential library?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:07 AM
Response to Original message
13. that's a whole lot of not knowing
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:07 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:08 AM
Response to Original message
14. He didn't know that his Pastor was Anti-American and a racist to boot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. His paston isn't either, but YOU
are certainly the latter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Why, because I am not for BO?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #19
30. Thats the way it works around here
Mob rule
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #19
38. Criticizing America's destructive policies
does not make an American anti American.

Wright=Racist? I don't know. There are those who believe it takes one to know one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. That makes me sick. I have never in my 58 years been
accused of being racist before except on DU . You folks are the most arrogant,parniod people I have ever come into
contact with. Just because I don't like someone using , to me, tearing down America and white people. If I were BO I would be very much ashamed of folks like you all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. Ok, I'll bite. Who's his paston because I want to know who else didn't know who didn't know..
who didn't know....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. Who knew!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:14 AM
Response to Original message
22. K & R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
23. while a bit of a flame, these are all verifiable things... interesting actually.
Dont reject the truth. Embrace him for all is faults if you are gonna embrace him at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 AM
Response to Original message
25. At this point you aren't converting anyone over to your side.
You aren't even really rallying your base.

This is just an exercise in the irrational hatred and jealousy you have towards Obama.

Good luck with that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Sounds like a plan. Who said I'm trying to convert you droids, I'm showing how lame he is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. For what purpose? What do you gain? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
557188 Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
27. Great list!
The cult will ignore it but hopefully the information will convince others of the scam of an empty suit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #27
32. Why, thank you. I can't take credit for it but I can support it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
29. I'll take him over Hillary's faulty memory and document disorganization any day!!!!!
Where are those income tax returns and other documents that tell us who is slipping her and Bill the cash? Where'd she get $5 million to loan her campaign because her book money went to pay for ALL THOSE LAWYERS NEEDED TO BAIL HER AND HER HUSBAND'S ASS OUT OF TROUBLE!!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #29
33. Yeah, and where's that IOU HRC signed back in '98...yeah, and what about Vince Foster...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #33
40. Forget Foster, what about Jackson Stephens? Or are thoise truths to painful for you, the fathful?
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
52. Would you consider doing an OP on this regularly?
These issues are obviously not going to be addressed by the M$M... and FAR too many here are clueless about them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
39. This is the new kind of politics


same ol' same ol'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. darn right it's a new kinda politics
It is called the cult of empty suit politics.Open your eyes and wake up folks. The OP is a fact that you can't keep closing your eyes to because it won't go away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:10 PM
Response to Original message
47. You lost me at your first two links which are broken or to pages that aren't related
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:14 PM
Response to Original message
49. LOL! Your links are all broken.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Not the main article link and you can get to the others from there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 06:31 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC