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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:38 PM
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Curious: Why do you think Pelosi is trying to kill off any possibility of a unity ticket?
Does she know something we don't know?

Is she just expressing her own bias towards one or the other?

She seemed so certain.

I favor Obama, but like both Obama and Clinton and would be proud to have either as a President, so this question is not intended to ignite conflict or flaming. I'm just curious as to why you think Pelosi was so certain as to her opinion.

Does anyone know who, if either candidate, she is favoring?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:39 PM
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1. She wanted a unity ticket before HRC decided McCain would be a better president than Obama
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:40 PM
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2. She is angry at Hillary Clinton....
...for jeopardizing the up until recently obvious Democratic victory in November. She, and the rest of the party, are urging Clinton to drop out because she lost last month, but Clinton is stubbornly refusing.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:40 PM
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3. I was wondering why she was so certain this would be over soon,
or before the convention at least, which she also said on Sunday. So I'm glad you asked this question--I'd like to read what ideas others have about this. Obviously I have no idea.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:44 PM
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9. Maybe it's because she understands grade school arithmetic.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:00 PM
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18. Why does arithmetic have anything to do with the question or the formation of a unity ticket?
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 06:01 PM by Mike03
It's obvious that Obama has the momentum. But it's even more obvious that because the race is close, that a unity ticket would be stronger than a singular ticket.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:04 PM
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19. I responded to the question "I was wondering why she was so certain this would be over soon?"
I answered that she is certain it will be over soon because anyone with a basic understanding of grade school arithmetic will see that Clinton can't catch Obama in pledged delegates.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:34 PM
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26. Yes, but anyone with a basic understanding of Hillary Clinton
would be expecting Clinton to take the thing all the way to the convention no matter what. No need to be insulting.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:48 PM
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12. The answer is obvious
it will be evident that Hillary cannot win a plurality of pledged delegates. And superdelegates (and Pelosi, who wields tremendous influence) have made it fairly clear that they will vote for the candidate who goes into the convention with a pledged delegate lead. Which means that Hillary has no realistic hope of being nominated. It's clear now; it will be more clear if the process continues through the Pennsylvania and North Carolina primaries (the 2 largest remaining).
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:36 PM
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27. No, but Pelosi said it would be over BEFORE the convention.
She was quite confident about that.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:32 PM
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28. Because Hillary is going to be pressured to drop out, obviously
she can't win the nomination even if it goes to the convention. She'll be made to accept the inevitable rather than drawing the process out as long as possible, which serves no purpose other than to prolong a period of division.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:40 PM
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4. My guess is McCain.
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:40 PM
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5. That is an excellent question!
I have been wondering that for a few days...and am clueless. She has said she supports Obama but really has not given her hand away yet.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:41 PM
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6. She has not endorsed, but obviously favors Obama
Most of the House members close to her have endorsed him, and I even read at one point that she was considering an endorsement but thought it might interfere with her effectiveness as Speaker.

I would guess that her support for Obama has to do with Clinton's support for the Iraq War Resolution that she led House Dems in opposing. She also might feel some competition with Clinton, since she is currently the highest ranking woman in US history.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:41 PM
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7. Like many of our most ridiculous Dems, she thinks that maximal Obama support will
magically wash away her obvious failing as the head of an all but universally disliked Congress.

Pelosi is really making me sick lately... Hillary will lose because she is associated with the old guard who has been such a disappointment since '06. SO Pelosi ought to back Hillary and go down with the ship.

She's a rat running off of herself!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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8. I think she sees a more effective legislative body
with Obama's coattails. We have seen the Clinton coattails--they are negative coattails...losses in the Senate and the House in 94, 96, etc. Pelosi wants to get stuff done and thinks she can with Obama.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:46 PM
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10. Maybe she's assuming Obama wins the nomination
and needs woman on the ticket to shore up his support among women, but a woman who isn't as politically damaged as Hillary Clinton.

Anything is possible.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:54 PM
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14. Could Pelosi be the one for that?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:58 PM
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16. it would make sense of recent events, if there was something to it.
just sayin
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:47 PM
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11. Because she realizes that a "dream ticket" is just that, a dream
First of all, Hillary doesn't fill in Obama's weak spots, and Obama doesn't fill in Hillary's weak spots. That's part of a VP's role, to shore up the presidential candidate's weak spots.

Second, she knows that such ticket would be less attractive to many independents and cross over voters. Red state independents would vote for a ticket with a black man on it, likewise they would also vote for a ticket with a white woman on it. However a ticket with both on it would prove too radical for many of those independents and they would flee to McCain.

Third, and perhaps most important, she knows that after such a contentious primary, with two very strong and independent people, putting them together on the same ticket is going to lots of behind the scenes acrimony and conflict.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:53 PM
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13. why dilute your strength...
pelosi seems to be seeing some kind of hand-writing on the wall...

her being non-committal goes along with the way she has 'achieved' her remarkable results in Congress the past year or so....

she is jockeying for position....Hillary is part of her 'old guard' power structure...a structure that may have set itself up for a change not of its own doing...

i do think she realizes that the 'unity' ticket is out of the hands of the Democratic 'leadership'...

thank god...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:57 PM
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15. Because he cannot/won't ask HRC to join him . n/t
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:58 PM
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17. At this point, unitiy ticket is not going to help either one of them.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:06 PM
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20. If the BIGDOG can't be first gentleman, he will be out hounding
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:07 PM
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21. Cuz she disregards hald of the dem voters - whichever half that is
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:08 PM
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22. Pelosi gets the fact
that an Obama/Edwards ticket is stronger than Obama/Clinton.

Or Obama/

Dodd
Richardson
Biden
Webb
Boxer
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:12 PM
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23. unity ticket still possible, maybe with Pelosi as VP
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:12 PM
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24. Because Hillary is poison
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:15 PM
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25. A "unity" ticket is not what it would be. It would be a ticket that bows to media pressure.
Neither one should be on a ticket with the other. Too much bad blood in this primary campaign.
And Pelosi has enough political savvy to know that both on the same ticket cannot win.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:33 PM
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29. Trying to regain some of her lost esteem among Democrats? n/t
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:35 PM
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30. I heard her mentioned as a possible VP for Obama somewhere....
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 10:37 PM by kerry-is-my-prez
I don't know how likely it is. Because they thought that it would "soothe" the feelings of women.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:37 PM
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34. Completely unlikely.
If Hillary wins, she needs Obama to keep the progressives.

If Obama wins, he needs a moderate, strong on national defense and foreign policy, like a Jim Webb or a Joe Biden.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:36 PM
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31. Because she wants to win in November???
:shrug:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:36 PM
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32. depends. do we like her today or hate her? nt.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:36 PM
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33. I got that same feeling....she was smiling....
not sure if it will be her or maybe Barbara Boxer. Black man, Jewish woman? Now, that will unite some.....but you are right, she seemed to be ahead of the curve. The suspense is killing me....
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:38 PM
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35. I think she bailed on that idea after Hillary endorsed McCain n/t
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