Do you really think anything is different all of a sudden becasue he gave another speech?

[aquarius dawning]

[Johnny__Motown]

1. Yes, the tone of the discussion has changed

[aquarius dawning]

5. How so?

[Johnny__Motown]

28. In a number of ways. First it shows that what Wright was saying is not viewed as extremist

within the black community. Pointing out that these things are also said in barber shops or beauty parlors, he was just caught on videotape. It shows that Rev. Wright is just one member of the black community. (not that the entire community agrees with him, just some portion of it)


It also helps equate what other denominations say with what Wright said.

Mostly it shows that Rev. Wright is a product of a "Pre civil rights movement" America and that he was shaped by the times in which he grew up. It also shows that Sen. Obama did not grow up in those times (to any large extent) and that he was not shaped by these times and does not share all of the same views as Rev. Wright.


Mostly it open up the boundaries under which we discuss race and helps us to try and view it from "the other side" of the argument.

[aquarius dawning]

47. In other words, it didn't really change anything. It just brought it more out in the open

[Johnny__Motown]

59. Changed dialog is a change, dunno what you expect. Did it feed starving children? no

[Johnny__Motown]

34. Also, look at who is now also praising the speech

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/341390.aspx


who would have thought that this could happen?


Uniter

[iconocrastic]

64. He's toast

Sorry to see it.

Sorry to say it.

It's over.

[Johnny__Motown]

71. Anything other than your unsubstantiated opinion to post here?

guess not

[iconocrastic]

87. "Unsubstantiated opinion"? You got to be kidding

"Guess not."

How crude.

The smell of desperation.

[Johnny__Motown]

74. some others disagree with you, link provided

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/021181.html

[roseBudd]

88. Where is your profile icon?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Do I really think anything is tangibly different? No.

But I didn't think the Wright "controversy" was anything but a phony, manufactured scandal that didn't matter for shit, and his speech succintly defeated the issue.

[aquarius dawning]

3. I actually think it was anything but contrived.

and we have not heard the last of this.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Are you really that shallow?

Are know there are a lot of really shallow people out there who make a big deal out of this sort of non-issue, but that really doesn't give you license to do the same.

[aquarius dawning]

17. You may find this hard to believe but as a white american,

I find anti-American/anti-white people hate speech to be anything but a non-issue and I don't think that makes me shallow. I think ya'll are gonna try to squeeze this bullshit for all it's worth and I'm gonna have to object.

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Which quotes in the speech, as a white American, did you find objectionable? I ask

you this because I don't underestand what part of the speech, what quotes, you find to be anti American/anti-white?

What are you objecting to? Something he said or the fact he made a speech?

[aquarius dawning]

29. I'm not talking about the speech. I'm talking about the reason for the speech.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. As a white person myself...

I find you ridiculous.

[aquarius dawning]

30. I'm still not voting for him. That much hasn't changed.

And we're still in it to win it, that hasn't changed either.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Good to know.

John "I hate the gooks" McCain is more favorable to you, as a white person, than Obama.

[aquarius dawning]

37. non sequitur much.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. It's either/or, AD.

[pscot]

32. Have you listened to the speech?

He talks specifically to your concerns.

[aquarius dawning]

40. I find it best not to listen to Barack Obama too closely actually.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. LOL

You'll cherry pick comments from people remotely associated with Barack Obama, but you won't even listen to the guy himself.

[aquarius dawning]

58. I din't cherry pick anything.

[PVnRT]

65. FAIL

Good work, you haven't read or listened to the speech, yet you're saying it was meaningless. Good work.

[Johnny__Motown]

77. Isn't this exactly the definition of being "closed minded"?

[damntexdem]

33. Wright was criticized for simply speaking the truth.

That his remarks are considered beyond the pale is part of the problem with America. Obama noted that his problem with Wright was the lack of hope for the future, that America could overcome the truths that Wright noted.

Meanwhile, McCain gets a free ride after SEEKING the endorsement of Hagee, a narrow-minded religious bigot who makes anti-Catholic statements, as well as anti-gay screeds, and who would, if he could, impose a small-minded theocracy on this country.

[aquarius dawning]

43. ......

Has MCcain spent the past 20 years attending Hagee's sermons and dragging his wife and kids along for good measure?

[Bake]

84. Geez, did you even read or hear Obama's speech?

I just read it, courtesy of Huffington Post. Obama says that Wright's statements reflect that attitude that NOTHING has changed in America since the 50s and 60s. Obama is clearly saying that Wright is WRONG. In other words, Wright ain't speaking the truth!!

This is exactly why I'm certain that nothing has changed.

Bake

[DLnyc]

86. As another white American,

I don't have a big problem with a black man pointing out that there is a lot of racism in this country, and that our foreign policy has angered huge numbers of people all over the globe. The words "anti" and "hate" are your interpretation, not mine. I defend your right to be offended and interpret things the way you want to, but I object to the implication that your feelings are shared by all, or even most "white americans". I don't believe for a minute that Rev. Wright is anti-American, anti-white, or that he hates anyone. I presume you do believe those things, but perhaps you should consider that, in the context of a white-dominated culture in the U.S. and a fairly arrogant foreign policy on the part of the U.S. going back at least 100 years, someone might be able to point out and criticize these things without necessarily 'hating' white people and/or America. I don't think you are 'shallow'--but I do think you might be directing your anger at some who don't deserve it, and defending some who don't need it.

[babylonsister]

9. Did you ask a poll question so you could argue? And yes, we haven't

heard the last of it from some people. If you watch Faux, you'll feel right at home. Hopefully saner m$m will move on.

[damntexdem]

7. Yes, because the speech was excellent and laid out issues that need discussing.

And the Wright 'controversy' is the least of that.

Obama spoke forthrightly about racism in America and the way forward away from it.

[plantwomyn]

23. Do you really think that Obama wasn't ready for this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=login&oref=slogin
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

If Rev. Wright counseled him about this, it's more likly that this speech was in the works LONG AGO.
If it wasn't Obama ignored on of his most trusted advisors - BAD.
If is wasn't and Obama is just "reacting" to pressure - BAD.
If it wasn't Obama was unprepared for a LOOMING problem - BAD.

[aquarius dawning]

52. so they're a couple of scheming anti-american anti-white people bigots. is that what you're saying?

[plantwomyn]

63. No.

I was replying to Bornaginhooligan
"Do I really think anything is tangibly different? No.
But I didn't think the Wright "controversy" was anything but a phony, manufactured scandal that didn't matter for shit, and his speech succinctly defeated the issue."

Maybe you should read my reply and get your dictionary out for the harder words.

My reply is to point out that Obama KNEW this was on the HORIZON and that he was advised to be prepared to take action by the Rev.
Obama made important choices about this matter. HE decided to wait until it came to a boiling point. He could have dealt with it over a year ago but didn't.

If Obama wasn't PREPARED in ADVANCE, it says something about him.
If it says to YOU that "they're a couple of scheming anti-American anti-white people bigots." you're entitled to you opinion.
As for myself, I don't think either of them are bigots, though some of their opinions and comments may be.

[PVnRT]

66. Anti-white? You're an idiot.

Go ahead and start talking about how sexist Obama's campaign is now that you've completely gone off the deep end.

[LoZoccolo]

4. Yes. n/t

[bdamomma]

6. not just another speech.

but for all to focus on the state of this country and ourselves and to take back this country, and stop all this infighting and back biting. Isn't time for everyone to focus on the state of this country and what the hell is going on, and how this despicable regime is using all of us and playing us like fools.

[damntexdem]

12. Hear, hear!

[keep_it_real]

10. It was not just another speech

But an unprecedented speech on race in the recent history of America; one that will change America for the better.

[chknltl]

11. Yes, it took nearly an hour for the boo-birds to rally here.

Maybe they would like a nice mustard and relish sandwich.

[LoZoccolo]

13. Boo-birds, lol. n/t

[chknltl]

21. Yep, Boo-birds, and they are leaving poo here and there...

...throughout the DU. Members of the DU clean-up crew are trying to shew them away before they soil up the place too much more. Good thing the speech was as early as it was, West Coast Boo-birds have not woke up yet.

[jackson_dem]

14. They are really ouf of touch. They are acting as if it was the greatest speech ever

It was another campaign speech, albeit a good one. This isn't another "I have a Dream" or Gettysburg address. He didn't even say anything groundbreaking.

[LoZoccolo]

16. No, it is not the best speech ever.

But I would say that you are wrong: "I Have A Dream" and The Gettysburg Address are good speeches, but this one is better.

[jackson_dem]

20. Obama's speech is better than MLk and Lincoln's

Stunning. CNN just covered it as their second story after the fed interest rate speculation. It got 1 minute maximum of coverage...

[aquarius dawning]

36. It's one of the few cards they have. thay have to lay it down hard.

[jackson_dem]

49. Good point

I hope they and the msm keep it up. The hype may create a backlash like it did in New Hampshire.

[damntexdem]

41. They gave it much more than that -- which is actually amazing.

If you measure importance by how much time CNN generally gives, you must think that Brittny Spears is the most important personage in America.

The real shame is that they speech was not a prime-time one, covered by every network.

[damntexdem]

38. Were Americans to actually listen to this speech, and then to really discuss it ...

it would be the MOST groundbreaking speech in American history, at least since "I have a dream," and certainly a worthy successor.

[eleny]

15. It helps change things if we want it to change things

[John Q. Citizen]

18. He took the bull by the horns and got 'er done. He made you have to write this poll to respond to

what you know was brillaint speech directed at a senior citizen time slot.

So yeah, I think Hill released her calender to try to down play and take away attention to the speech because she knows it could have a major effect.

If she really wants the ploy to work, she should also release her last 6 years of tax returns and her other sought after information.

I think you will be hating this speech for a long time.

[aquarius dawning]

26. I hardly even consider it a speech,. It was a press conference orchestrated for damage control.

It was a lot of words strung together to minimize the damagae caused by a few inconvenient realities. I don't think this changed much and certainly nothing will be changed for very long.

[damntexdem]

42. When you have your fingers sticking in your ears like that ...

can you hear yourself saying "nah, nah, nah"?

[aquarius dawning]

50. Nothing has changed for me. Sorry. I think BO is trying to talk his way out of a sticky situation

and I don't think he's unstuck.

[PVnRT]

67. What should he do? Publicly execute Wright?

Maybe start denying that he's white, start attending church service in Westchester county?

I'm honestly curious as to how he makes himself "acceptable" to the scared whites out there.

[Raejeanowl]

78. Scared Whites?

All you do is re-confirm the existence of the kind of black racist mind-set Obama needed to disavow and distance himself from 20 years ago; that is, if he wished to become President. And I have no idea how he undoes it now, at this late juncture, with all the carefully crafted speeches in the world.

[John Q. Citizen]

57. And you will probably stick to your opinion, even as the rest of the country discusses and

digests one of the major national speeches on race in the last 30 years.

If you don't participate it won't have happened, as far as you are concerned.

[aquarius dawning]

60. he talked about race problems. So fucking what? You want this to change things but it doesn't.

Nothing has changed and it doesn't absolve him of the guilt by association that he earned over the past 20 years.

[John Q. Citizen]

70. Yes, yes, whatever you say, whatever you say. Calm down and breathe. It's alright.

[jbnow]

19. But only for thinking people nt

[better tomorrow]

22. yes, we are all being nice to each other here on the board

[kid a]

27. yes, if you don't see the new dynamic, study more logic, debate, politics

he not only "gave a speech"

he responded to the media, the voters, his opponents.

He didn't just call a news conference with a few mayors and governors behind him, he delivered the best political response possible.

You can't mention the Wright story now without mentioning this amazing speech.

[aquarius dawning]

35. without you mentioning it maybe.

many of us think it was nothing more than hasty damage control however and will have no problem mentioning Wright without referring to the " amazing speech".

[Zodiak]

44. Didn't you say you didn't see the speech?

Then you lose all arguments because you are criticizing something you did not see for yourself.

[aquarius dawning]

48. I don't believe I said that actually.

[Alter Ego]

39. I believe it has.

All of a sudden the tone has changed.

The media has been called out for the two-faced frauds that they are. The people screaming at Obama to disown and disassociate himself from Wright completely will be silenced.

He answered those questions and left absolutely no room for sinister interpretation.

[damntexdem]

46. True, but Faux News will nevertheless rush out with all the sinister interpretations possible.

And impossible.

The real test will be whether the speech actually does stimulate real discussion of the issues it opened.

[4_Legs_Good]

45. Absolutely, he took a negative and turned it into a positive. He's f*cking brilliant

IMO, today sealed the deal.

David

[better tomorrow]

51. yes, the stock market is up now........

[aquarius dawning]

56. That was ben bernanke's doing, not barack oabma's.

[woolldog]

55. Yes. He's changed the narrative.

[aquarius dawning]

61. what the fuck does that even mean? he took the heat off his ass is what he did.

But I'm here to turn it back up.

[rodeodance]

82. oh yeah---He racialized this primary and today set out he was above the fray. Nope.

[riverwalker]

62. He raised the bar

instead of dumbing it down so the lowest common demnominator controls the discussion, he raised it up. The Limbaughs and Hannity's have to stand on their chairs now to take part.

[GoldieAZ49]

68. Friday he said he didn't know of Wright's Political views

today he said he did

campaign rhetoric - not impressive


film at 11

no chair needed

[rodeodance]

75. Note how the obamafolk except his lies.--silence today is their action.

[GoldieAZ49]

76. ah, blessed silence, if only it would last longer than a day

[rodeodance]

81. Yeah, 3 days of lies from Obama folk defending BO was overbearing.

[MethuenProgressive]

69. Did Romney's speech on his religion change anything?

Obama was a year late on this one.

[NMMatt]

72. How else would you have him confront a speech that he didn't make?

A speech by Obama is enough to confront someone else's speech, yes. That should be fairly obvious.

[trueblue2007]

73. I still don't like him

[meow mix]

79. Yes. mission accomplished

thanks HC camp, for the opportunity

[VotesForWomen]

80. the # of yes votes proves there's one born every minute. nt

[knixphan]

83. and the amount of pledged delegates proves that you're bitter.

[grantcart]

85. somehow I don't think that was the result aquarius was looking for.

[americanstranger]

89. Damn, there's an awful lot of bitterness on this thread.

- as

[Guava Jelly]

90. No

Nothing has changed physically.
Emotionally is another story.

[tippytoe]

91. Speeches don't change racial problems

Of course not.