MSNBC just now: The most important speech on race since Dr. King's I Have a Dream speech.

[Drunken Irishman]

Chills people, chills.

:)

[soleft]

1. who said it?

[Drunken Irishman]

2. The lead anchor on MSNBC, a woman, name slips me.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

4. Contessa? I've had it on mute.

I missed the Obama speech, my satellite kicked out for the entire length of it.

[pnwmom]

68. At least Tweety didn't say

it gave him another Hardball.

[krawhitham]

79. I think he did too

[chyjo]

82. I think it was Nora O'Donnell

but I could be wrong, or possibly her and Contessa Brewer both might have said the same thing at different times.

[C_U_L8R]

3. I'm good with that.

Historic stuff by a truly great man.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Do you disagree?

Care to nominate another one?

[class2068]

8. Yes

Obama's speech today was a whiney, 'why are they picking on me' snorer. He refuses to denounce the execrable Wright and the Repubs are gonna staple them together in the election. Very disappointing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Didn't watch it, did you?

You sound like a kid turning in a book report on a book he didn't actually read.

[knixphan]

21. just what I was thinking -

[Hepburn]

35. You took the words....

...kinda sounds like some of the students I taught in continuation HS.

[mythyc]

78. nailed it ... my thoughts exactly

nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. Do you like music?

[mzmolly]

57. Heh

:hi:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

60. Heh, yourself.

:hi:

[OhioBlue]

20. go watch the speech.

then you will realize how ridiculous your talking points sound.

[tbyg52]

53. Huh? Did you *read* (or watch) it? Transcript's available all over the place. nt

[Forkboy]

63. Welcome back!

:rofl:

[Drunken Irishman]

39. No.

Chills as in IT GAVE ME CHILLS.

[DURHAM D]

6. It was a drivel - an egocentric sermon. eom

[IDemo]

9. Off to the ignore bucket with another one..

[Dawgs]

12. Ditto that.

[jgraz]

26. Hey, give him a break. He's a Hillary supporter

And if they know one thing, it's egocentric drivel.

[mzmolly]

58. LOL

You guys are ON today. ;)

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

27. This has been a really helpful day...

Sometimes I wonder, "Is this person a big enough jerk to put on ignore?"

Today I've had several people expose themselves as race-baiting assholes. We ignore list is growing expotentially.

[IDemo]

36. I still think someone needs to develop a Firefox extension: Idjit-86er

Barring that, shared ignore lists might help.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

49. I'm really torn about it...

One the one hand, I don't want to "stifle" my own debate by cutting people off (because even a stopped watch is right twice a day), but at the same time, these comments are both indefensible and downright tiresome. Maybe I'll have a "general amnesty" after the primaries, but for now, I think the list is going to keep growing.

[snooper2]

52. Can we not "call out" people on our ignore list...

Kind of do a worst of the worst, and say...okay that one stays on ignore :)

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. That's one person's opinion, but not unexpected....

When will Hillary deliver her "gender" speech? And will anybody care?

[DURHAM D]

28. Don't be silly. American is not ready for a gender discussion. eom

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. How sad and pathetic you must be in your daily life...

you have nothing better to do, so you thought you would shit on what is obviously an Obama support thread. Tell us what's good about your candidate. We already know what's good about ours. You won't change any minds here. And the only reason you're not on Ignore is that you've been mildly entertaining in the past, but now I just feel sorry for you.

:-(

[cali]

16. LOL! Tough shit for

hillbots that the media is going to spin it as a great and historic speech. Chew on that fact.

[DURHAM D]

32. Only MSNBC - they got the memo. "We have got to rehabilitate this guy."

But then, you already knew that because you watch a lot of tv.

[Hepburn]

37. Yeah, right....

Joey Scarborough would follow some meme to promote Obama.

:rofl:

[cali]

54. nope. the overwhelming coverage of this will be positive

I realize that bums you out but you'll just have to choke it down. What a shame.

[thereismore]

46. I always forget to post before I put someone on ignore. This time I remembered.

So here's to you: one unhappy man in a sea of joy. You're on ignore, so don't even try.

[TheDoorbellRang]

84. Bull, Durham! n/t

[Texas Hill Country]

7. Can anyone even think of another speech on race at this point? Malcolm X maybe?

Thats about it, so that statement is an easy one to make.


I pretty much discount any judgement msnbc has on obama at this point.

This does not take away from the speech, it was very good. But statements like that infer that they are comparable, and I am sorry, but they are not.

[Hepburn]

42. You truly are a Hillary supporter....

...only someone who supports Hillary could be oblivious enough to not take note of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., speaking on the issue of race. You know, "I had a dream..."

Oy vey.......:eyes:

[mythyc]

83. ANYONE w'out his head up his ass can think of plenty of race speeches. your point is useless.

James Baldwin's "A Talk to Teachers" (first delivered then published as an essay)
Bobby Kennedy's "Mindless Menace of Violence" ok, you're immediate reply is that it's not about race, so
- - - - here's the change-up to follow that fastball:
Bobby Kennedy's "Remarks on the Assassination of MLK"
Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March "Two Americas Speech" (9 years before John Edwards stole this
- - - - line (NB: before you freak out about Farrakhan, I'm not condoning his platform: you just asked
- - - - for other speeches on race)
Abraham Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation"
Henry David Thoreau "Slavery in Massachusetts"
Frederick Douglass "What the Black Man Wants"

All these figures had many more. I could go on. I think I made my point. Now tell me: what point were you trying to make? uhhhh, well, I can't *remember* any other speeches, so this one isn't the best since "I have a dream." don't say "we", i.e. America can't remember these speeches. You say that and I say you're deceiving yourself with no purpose, with an anti-purpose.

We grew up hearing them. one or two may slip from memory hear and there, but they are JUST AS ESSENTIAL to this country's history as the Declaration of Independence, Preamble to the Constitution, Nothing to fear but Fear itself, Ask not what your country can do for you, etc. What is wrong with you? Why would you diminish? It's really counter-productive in the worst of sour apple ways.

Final Note: I agree -- having studied and written on these and other speeches, I agree that Obama's speech today is the best since MLK's....

type-o

[jackson_dem]

10. What do you expect from MSRNC?

Still it is a good sign for him. If the msm stops talking about Wright and returns to lusting after him that would make the speech worthwhile.

[mtnsnake]

18. Next thing ya know, Olbermann will be comparing Obama's speech to the Gettysburg Address tonight

lol

[woolldog]

30. It was better than the Gettysburgh address!!

;)

[jackson_dem]

45. I wouldn't be surprised lol! Tweety will call it the best speech since the sermon on the mount

[loveangelc]

34. well, CNN said similar earlier...

even the Fox News hosts talked about how 'moving' it was...

[jackson_dem]

44. Those are real good signs for him

Even Fox? :wow:

Still all this will do, at best, is get pastorgate out the way for the primaries and stop the bleeding. I doubt it will move his numbers significantly, as Romney discovered with his religion speech.

[mtnsnake]

11. Oh please. n/t

[rodeodance]

14. MLK would be tuning in his grave at that comment. MLK speech was powerful. for this

anchor to compare BO's speech with MLK speech is beyond the pale

[ginnyinWI]

19. I'll do it one better

Abraham Lincoln could have given this speech. What Obama said echoes a lot of what Lincoln said.

[OhioBlue]

24. MLK would have tears of pride in his eyes as he watched O.

[Bolo Boffin]

33. Amen. n/t

[Hepburn]

43. Absolutely and totally! n/t

[DearAbby]

62. I dont know about MLK....

But I know I have tears of Pride...That was one of America's Son's speaking...and I am damn proud!

[Bullet1987]

25. Mad that Obama might change the narrative?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. I'll extend the challenge to you as well.

If you can think of a better speech on race since MLK, let's hear it.

[jgraz]

31. I love watching the HillBots wet themselves over this

You can't even begin to grasp how outclassed your pathetic candidate is.

[Forkboy]

65. It's unreal to watch, isn't it? Full blown meltdown here today.

They KNOW they just got the shit knocked out of their precious story.

That speech was so good even I liked it, and it's the first time I've felt like I could vote for him and feel good about it. Can you imagine Hillary even attempting to make a speech like that? :scared:

[jgraz]

69. My ignore list grows large

[Forkboy]

70. I can't pass up the comedy being offered.

:)

[jgraz]

71. It getting to be tragic at this point

Like watching someone vomit on themselves.

[Forkboy]

72. That's a form a comedy to me.

:evilgrin:

[jgraz]

73. 2 hillbots, 1 cup?

[Forkboy]

74. After this speech the only cup they need is this one.

[NOLALady]

38. MLK's sermon probably would have caused more panic

than Wright's. He scared TPTB so much they had to put him down.

Wright does not inspire fear nor does he have a following outside of his community. He's been effectively marginalized as a crazy old man.

[calimary]

40. Not quite. I would imagine that Dr. King would be utterly delighted about this.

It was a speech that does indeed deserve to go down in all those books about great speeches. A truly moving speech that confronted all the difficulties and dicey moments. Even tipped the hat to Hillary - in referencing "the white woman trying to break a glass ceiling." It was all inclusive. A uniter, not a divider. It was WONDERFUL!!!

Man - look who we have, poised to lead. Compared to the smarmy old fart who's still fighting a war that ended 30 years ago, still has his macho on the line (maybe because he feels his POW years short-sheeted his John Wayne shtick before he could play it out on the battlefield to his fullest satisfaction), and has a dangerous, hair-trigger temper I hope we never have to clean up after. And btw - if he was such a Big Man, why didn't he stand up for his own wife and adopted daughter when the rovians were smearing them up one side of South Carolina and down the other?

Dr. King would probably be thrilled to pass the torch, and drape the mantle across Barack's shoulders as a true heir of his movement. HE was the Moses who wouldn't get to the Promised Land with us. I'd suspect that he'd see Barack Obama as his Joshua. He'd regard Obama as a son, for sure. Dr. King just found an open and ready hand to which to pass the baton.

[Forkboy]

66. Would you like a pillow?

:rofl:

[mythyc]

85. tell me exactly which "issues" and *complaints* MLK would have with Obama's ideas and points today

enough to roll over in his grave.

Is it really necessary to go to this far of an extreme?

[mythyc]

86. tell me exactly which "issues" and *complaints* MLK would have with Obama's ideas and points today

enough to roll over in his grave.

Is it really necessary to go to this far of an extreme?

[kdpeters]

88. Yeah. We all remember what a primadonna MLK was, don't we?

And what about you? Aren't you normally the one nagging everyone about being rude by posting on your Hillary parade threads? I finally get to tell you, "You are rude!"

:rofl:

[mod mom]

22. Ignore the Hills-. Defeat is difficult. I agree it is one of the finest ever given.

It reaches beyond justification and challenges our nation toward greatest. It will be long remembered and often sited.

[BenDavid]

23. yep, there is the first evidence as I thought by sunset this

speech will now be one of the greates ever given.....hell, it might even surpass the sermon on the mount given by jesus..... i cannot believe americans are so damn gullible to not see this man as nothing more then a reprobate.

but if you start as to why he had to give this speech now, then you will realize the speech is to coverup that obama lied.....

[rodeodance]

48. most Obamfolks are only into glorifying their Leader-they will not look at the WHY BO

had to give this speech in the first place.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

50. Because asshole right-wingers were throwing poop...

And taking a man's thirty year career in the pulpit and reducing it to soundbites?

Yeah. That would be the reason.

[rodeodance]

51. yes, they were and I do not agree with it.

[knixphan]

75. bingo

[Bad Thoughts]

41. It is the most important speech on race

Obama's stature and the situation made it so de facto. Moreover, he delivered a great speech. I'm worried that it will become a benchmark for discussing race and politics but won't be enough to stem the tide. I also think that Clinton missed an opportunity herself, playing the healing figure rather than let Obama lead with this speech.

[RestoreGore]

47. Not even close

MLK didn't give his great speech as an egotist looking for the presidency by working damage control. Big difference.

[mzmolly]

55. MotherF. I missed it! I did say this yesterday though.

"I think in the end, "people" will be sorry they've given Barack Obama an opportunity to respond?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5124828

Sounds like he hit that sucka out of the park?

:D

[Scurrilous]

56. Yep!

:thumbsup:

[loveangelc]

61. :-]

[elizm]

64. A speech worthy of Abraham Lincoln....How Tweety lead his show...

Chills AND tears.

[metsqueenz]

67. I saw the speech. It was inspirational

Obama was really prepared and spoke from his heart.

[IsItJustMe]

76. K&R

[VotesForWomen]

77. OMG. put the same words in hillary's or mccain's mouth, and you people would be doing nothing but sh

shitting on them. you have seriously lost touch with reality.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

80. It's a moot point. Neither Clinton nor McCain would make such a speech. nt

[trekbiker]

81. Neither Clinton nor McCain COULD make such a speech..

even with the same words thier presentation would not have near the impact. Obama is a world class inspirational speaker, better even than Bill Clinton was. His leadership potential is incredible. Like nothing we've seen in a presidential candidate since RFK

Hillary comes across as a dry policy wonk.. with an irritating voice. I watch and listen to her and I just know she's bottling up one hell of a temper. There's a lot of buried anger in that lady.

McCain is just nuts.. and his constant "my friends" thing drives me up a wall

[FrenchieCat]

89. I want him as my President! Period!

[stillcool]

87. Now that I would like to see....

:rofl: