I've been such a fool. Now I am so over Clinton.

[AGirl]

It feels like I've woken up from a bad dream. I was so manipulated by the mass media and the Clinton media campaign that I thought this campaign is about having the first female president who is good on gay rights and pro choice issues.

True, Clinton is good on GLBT people issues and pro choice issues, but I don’t see how Obama is any worse on those issues, even if he is not as well versed on it.

This race is so not about gender or race. This race is absolutely about the Iraq War. Every election should be about the Iraq War as long as anyone who has voted for the Iraq War and is unapologetic about it remains in public office.

The Iraq War is about greed, domination, and exploitation. It violates what it means to be a human being, what it means to be the “citizen of the world”, what it means to not torture and not kill for money or selfish reason.

Clinton said Obama does not have a concrete plan on Iraq, she does. I don’t know what her plan on Iraq is, except she said she will “end the war within the first term of her presidency.” Well that is not exactly concrete. Hillary Clinton might care about some American people, but she mainly cares about power and what she can do to be part of the powerful people that has a say in American policies, and her vote and continual stance on Iraq is the greatest testament anyone ever needs to know about her “experience.”

Her experience and both past and present actions show me that she has learned nothing from Iraq. She didn’t see anything wrong with it. Well I do.

One of the few things about being a progressive is about standing up against UNJUSTICE WARS FOR PROFIT and being a person that does not believe MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.

A good politician knows that s/he can’t do whatever s/he wants to attain power or profit at the expense of another person or at the destruction of another person. America needs a leader that is a GOOD person. Hillary Clinton is NOT a good politician.

So of course, I am going to vote AGAINST Hillary Clinton. We need to stop Clinton as much as we need to stop McCain.

The whole talk about race and gender is all irrelevant when we deal with the real issue.


PS: The whole thing about switching my support, well, here's the thing: I still don't like Obama much, but I think voting for him is a good alternative to stop Clinton. That DOES not mean I can't defend Clinton when there are unfair attacks and I will continue to defend her from sexist attacks! I don't like when Obama supporters attack Clinton and it feels like they are being unfairly picked on because they are the minority on here and I will defend them, but that does not mean I support Clinton. It's an emotional thing for me, it's not black and white. If you don't believe me, oh well.

Why can't I say how I feel? How am I changing my mind? I don't give a crap if you think I am doing this for fun. I know who I am and what I stood for and I can talk about it all I want and as much as I want to!

[Metric System]

1. Didn't you start a thread a few weeks ago declaring that you were done with Hillary? Is this like

Groundhog's Day?

[LisaL]

5. She sure did.

[papau]

21. Yep - but Conversion to Obama seems to "come and go in the same person" LOL

[AGirl]

32. Dude, when did i say I love Obama on my OP?

Learn to read, I said I can't stand Clinton.

[Drachasor]

95. I'm sorry people are giving you a hard time on this whole thing.

Seems rather petty the way they are going at you.

Btw, if you want to have a talk about your worries regarding Obama, I'd be happy to do so here or via PM. (No pressure though).

[grantcart]

112. she was very specific she did not like Clinton manipulation before

when you have so much invested withdrawal has to come in stages you will see in a couple of weeks.

[ThatBozGuy]

66. A whose who of Ms Clinton's finest come out to immolate.......

One of their own.......

It is clear that leadership from the top down of Ms Clinton's campaign to her supporters, the edict is clear and brutal, FOR HER OR DIE, even if you are a democrat none the less.

Destroy those whom you once embraced when they disagree and ignore those whom have no use to your purpose.
Big states vs little states, supporter versus dissenter.

Much of the same will manifest itself in a presidency helmed by Ms Clinton and driven by this mentality and culture.

To AGirl I thank you for you opinion and wish you well in your search and choice of YOUR candidate no matter who that may come to be even if you should return to Ms Clinton's fold, as long as you maintain support for the democrat of your choice I will support that decision and your right to have it, lest you choose to wander to the right of many here and choose to support a republican candidate then the support will wither and the challenge will be set.

Thank you again for your opinion.

[Metric System]

110. Huh? I have no problem with someone switching support. I was just curious as to this poster's

intentions. If you check the rest of this thread, you'll see Obama supporters are skeptical as well.

[Straight Shooter]

117. "FOR HER OR DIE"?

Jeez, hyperbole is definitely your forte.

[LostinVA]

134. Yes, and I have my theory about that

Check PM.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. OMG! This is HUGH!! Like SERIES!!!!

:crazy:

[JVS]

3. I can barely carry the grains of salt I am taking your post with.

[UALRBSofL]

Girl you switch your mind every other week

Like the wind blows. Next month you'll be sick of Obama. :crazy:

[AGirl]

24. But I didn't say I LOVE OBAMA, I am just saying I can't stand Clinton

because I am finally waking up and it isn't an immediate process, its a gradual process!

[buff2]

40. We get the message dear

Now go back to sleep. :boring:

[CoffeeCat]

51. I totally understand that process...

...When I was in the process of picking a candidate, my mind went through all kinds of
back-and-forth.

I would post about it, and I'm sure sometimes I contradicted myself. It's difficult, making
these choices, and we are all exhausted and emotionally drained. It has been a long haul.

So I do understand what you are saying. I also understand posting the same types of messages
at times. You start to feel something, then you process it, then you post about it. Then, you
feel another shift--and the puzzle pieces come together even more. Then, you need to write about
it more.

I do understand.

I suggest that everyone give agirl a break. We're all Democrats and we're all here to support
each other's processes as we endure this drawn-out nightmare of a primary.

I can understand disagreeing on ideas or policies--even candidates. However, it's a bit
crass to berate someone who is working through the emotions of this primary.

[AGirl]

56. I guess i shouldn't post all the thoughts going through my mind, Its partly my thought

I post too much! And i post what I think all the time and it sounds disjointed and even contradictory at times. meh. Thanks for your understanding though.

[CoffeeCat]

69. I don't think that you are the problem...

...I think people who are judging you and haranguing you for posting your thoughts---are the
ones with the problems.

We all ruminate.

This is a messsageboard...a political messageboard and most of the people here are pretty supportive.

If you're going through some kind of internal shift, it is natural to want to talk about it, and also
get some feedback and support.

I don't think anyone needs to be ridiculed for their process.

I think you should keep posting and ignore the naysayers.

[AGirl]

85. I think part of the reason I am not liked is because I am not for Obama either..

This is such a polarzing message board, if you dont support Clinton or Obama , than you are no one..

I don't think this place is really productive for my thought process...I should probably just stay away..but its hard to do, i am addicted to this place. I will try to ignore more people...

[CoffeeCat]

90. I saw that you didn't like Obama either...

...and that's ok. I'm an Obama supporter and I do understand how tough this process
is. There is so much at stake ad we are in such dire straights in this country. This
primary is dragging us all down.

I think you're right...most people on the boards support a candidate and they're pretty
entrenched in their beliefs. Me included.

However, you deserve to be respected as you go through this process--and not berated for
posting the same thoughts more than once. That's ridiculous that someone would call
you on that!

I know what you mean about being addicted though! This place is very addicting. I know
when I'm stressed, I avoid the incendiary post and I only read stuff that I think will
help me with where I am.

Some of the DU groups are pretty cool too, and not as rough as GDP.

Good luck with everything. I know it's very challenging, but when you're moving from being
"decided" and into a period of uncertainty, that interim can be hard.

Maybe reading more in-depth articles about the primaries and the candidates might be helpful--and
get you to a place where you feel that you can support a candidate and feel good about it.

We all deserve that. :)

Where are you? If you're in a state that votes soon, that would compound all of this, that's for sure.

[Drachasor]

97. It's alright to not be enthusiastic about anyone

I'm an Obama supporter, but I understand how this is a tough election. I can easily see how there'd be a lot of difficult decisions to make, and nothing is wrong with having trouble figuring out who to support. :)

[LostinVA]

136. I'm stumbling under a load of salt licks

[Horse with no Name]

4. ummm not to be unkind

but isn't this your 3rd or 4th revelation of the same truth?
Boy crying wolf is coming to mind.

[AGirl]

7. well, it's just becoming more and more clear to me as each day passes.

Maybe I am getting wiser. :)

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BlackVelvet04]

13. LOL......

you're so bad and that's one of the things I like about you. ;-)

[buff2]

15. OMG............

:rofl:

[goldcanyonaz]

22. OMG!

:rofl:

:spray:

[UALRBSofL]

25. Bwahahahaha

:rofl:

[JVS]

31. image saved

:rofl:

[grantcart]

113. man what was so damned funny???

[ThatBozGuy]

35. Why yes, yes you are.........

[ossman]

12. Looks you got kicked out of the club. Join our club. It's cooler. Welcome.

[boston bean]

133. Well atleast you consistent with your inconstent thought..

Hey I think I get you. But don't feel the need to keep explaining.

Here's to you!

:toast:

[ariesgem]

6. K & R

[buff2]

9. Oh God.......

I am going to go to bed before I say something I might regret. :grr:

[housewolf]

10. AGirl, welcome to the Light Side

You are a fierce fighter for your candidate, so glad to see you here.



:bounce:

[Horse with no Name]

11. I wouldn't hang on to her too tightly

she has done this several times.

[AGirl]

16. Hey, I havent done it several times, I have backed off from Clinton and continue to back off from

her more and more everyday, I am not saying I love Obama but he can't be worse than Clinton!

[ClassWarrior]

26. Disloyal, so shoot her?

:eyes:

Welcome to the campaign of our lifetimes, AGirl. Bless you for being thoughtful. It can be messy, true, but I wouldn't want it any other way.

NGU.

[Horse with no Name]

37. It isn't about disloyalty....it is about something FAR more sinister

[buff2]

46. I swear,I'm about to take to smoking pot and drinking again

My teeth hurt from all this shit.x(

[grantcart]

114. teeth? I could understanding biting your tongue - ah your clenching never mind

[ClassWarrior]

47. Ahhh... Another RW meme from a Clinton Bully. Surprise, surprise.

:puke:

NGU.

[AGirl]

52. It's okay, I might upset people because I was such a strong Clinton supporter.

I don't mean to hurt anyone and I am no one great, I just changed my position back to where I once was.

[Horse with no Name]

54. I don't think anyone is upset

Highly entertained...yes....upset...doubtful.

[AGirl]

63. okay well, as long as you are entertained..

[Drachasor]

100. It's ok to be conflicted, or, in her case, to slowly confirm an opinion

Changing your mind is NOT a crime. Indeed, it should generally be considered a good thing when it is the result of a reasoning process.

[AGirl]

14. you are welcomed. Its nice to finally come out of my whole obsession with having the first female

president and being so f*cked over by the mass media , I am so over it. I feel like i am thinking for myself again.

[LisaL]

17. And again. And again...

[buff2]

23. Groundhog day

:smoke: :beer:

[grantcart]

115. lol you are on a roll lol

[americanstranger]

18. Don't get too excited.

She'll just change her mind again tomorrow.

I seen it happen...

- as

[durrrty libby]

19. Hey it's your Gound Hog Day again. WooHoo

[ecstatic]

108. Short term memory disease should not be mocked!

Maybe she's reliving the same sequence of events like the girl on 50 first dates.

[akbacchus_BC]

20. You forgot your sarcasm smiley. By the way, it is not an Iraq War ...

it is invasion, occupation, brutal rapes and murder. Seems as though you get a kick out of posting this constant crap!

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[akbacchus_BC]

39. That's all you got! Telling people to shut up, very smart!

You not sick and tired of the games you play?

[AGirl]

I am not playing any game, dude. Buit hey, don't believe me, I really don't care.

Goodnight.

[Drachasor]

102. I'm sorry, are you saying the people heckling her are actually bringing something to the table?

Because they look like they are doing a lot less thinking than Agirl.

And generally speaking, you can't have a reasoned discussion with hecklers -- that's not why they show up.

[ClassWarrior]

42. This is what the poster meant...

Occupation: The Inconvenient Truth About Iraq

It is time to tell an inconvenient truth about Iraq: it is an occupation, not a war. In wars, armies fight to dominate land. The US won the war three years ago when Bush said, “Mission Accomplished”. Then the occupation started, and our troops were not trained or equipped for an occupation under predictably hostile circumstances. Finally getting the courage to tell the truth that the US is an occupying force drastically changes the picture in Iraq. You cannot “win” an occupation. “Cut and run” does not apply to an occupation. Occupiers have to leave; the only question is when and how. Progressive Democrats agree that it should be soon; they only disagree on details. Political courage is called for. Truth now!...

http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/lakoff/occupation

NGU.

[AGirl]

44. you are right, It is an occupation. An illegal occupation.

[angie_love]

28. LOL, yes our club is way cooler Agirl, come to us.

Joking aside, I like your post, it was very thoughtful.

[tammywammy]

29. Didn't you say you were done with Clinton like last week?

[AGirl]

33. I did and I continue to be done with her. It's more clear to me everyday, why can't I express it?

[tammywammy]

38. Sure you can express it

But the more and more you repeat it, the more that people aren't really going to believe you. :shrug:


Good luck, I know that you were an adamant Hillary supporter.

[akbacchus_BC]

57. Come on, she is messing around with Senator Obama's supporters ...

How come you all are falling for her crap. Just yesterday, she was on here as an adamant Senator Clinton supporter. This is beyond stupid! Maybe she gets a kick out of baiting people on here, but honestly, this is downright absurd. All her fellow Senator Clinton supporters know that she is joking around, which makes it even more pathetic!

[tammywammy]

60. I'm trying to give her the benefit of doubt

:shrug:

[akbacchus_BC]

93. Sorry Tammy, she has been doing this for a month now. I have no idea

why she would pretend to be what she is not! It is pathetic! She is not an Obama supporer. Just last night, she was pounding him to the ground. I like your posts, please pay attention!

[tammywammy]

98. Thanks, but again, I've seen AGirls threads

I still like to err on the side of caution and give benefit of the doubt, than tell a poster off.

I know that it has been hard for supporters on this board to change candidates. AGirl could be yanking all our chains, or she really could be having a tough time supporting Clinton. :shrug:


edited to add: It's really the lime kitty that everyone likes. :)

[akbacchus_BC]

104. Tammy, believe you me, She is not an Obama supporter. She dislikes Obama with a vengeance. Agirl is

a Senator Clinton supporter. Gosh, what would make you realise that she is not a Senator Obama supporter?

[akbacchus_BC]

105. Tammy, you will learn sooner than later, that Agirl is just fooling around...

with you. She is not disenchanted with senator Clinton, she is here to mess up Senator Obama. Gosh, you are here longer than me, she is not backing Obama. Her every post is to disenfrantise Obama. She is a Clinton girl. Quite sick if you ask me!

[LostinVA]

137. I think you're too nice of a person, Tams

:pals:

[AGirl]

61. I do defend Clinton and Clinton supporters and i will continue to do so

because i see alot of unfair attacks against Clinton and I don't like when everyone gangs up on the minority under any situation. It's not about who i support, its about me defending the underdog, which is something I will always do but my real vote and support are seperate from those consideration.

[akbacchus_BC]

111. Agirl, now you are pretending to be confused. Gosh, you really on a trip. One minute you hate Obama.

Days later, you in favour of Obama. Girl, we not that stupid on here!

[buff2]

64. She's probably a republican

playing games with us all. :grr:

[Jamastiene]

127. All right already. We get it now.

Stick a fork in your ass and turn you over. You are done. :rofl:

[anonymous171]

30. WTF!? My head is literally spinning....

[skater314159]

34. Welcome! Glad to have ya!

:hi:

:hug:

Be sure to go to a rally this Wednesday Night to protest the Fifth Anniversary of the Iraq War:

On Wednesday, thousands of us will gather at candlelight vigils to mark the 5th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. In addition to honoring the fallen, we'll send a clear message in this sinking economy: it's time to end the war, and start using the billions wasted every week on the Iraq occupation to help folks here at home.
Republicans are trying to tell a story that opposition to the war is declining. The media will be looking to this anniversary as an indicator, and we need to turn out in force.


There's a vigil in Dallas—can you make it on Wednesday?

Host: Hadi J—fellow MoveOn member
Where: Dealey Plaza, Downtown Dallas (in Dallas)
When: Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2008, at 7:00 PM

Or other locations:
New Priorities Vigil
Andy Brown Jr. Community Park East, Coppell at 7:00 PM—RSVP

New Priorities Vigil
Lincoln Square, Collins at I-30, Arlington at 5:00 PM—RSVP

New Priorities Vigil
residence near legacy, Plano at 7:00 PM—RSVP

New Priorities Vigil
In front of Cong Burgess office, Lewisville, Lewisville at 4:00 PM—RSVP

http://www.iava.org/
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php
http://www.ivaw.org/

[AGirl]

36. Wow i can't believe it has been the 5th year already, thats crazy .

[skater314159]

41. Yeah, I've been a Chaplain protesting it since '03.

Glad to have ya!

:hippie: :loveya:

[AGirl]

43. I still can't believe we fucking invaded Iraq..I remembered I was still in highschool than..

but protesting was fun , i felt a real sense of community and people fighting for what is right and thats always exciting to be part of.

[NastyRiffraff]

45. Do you cut and paste, or..

Do you type the whole thing over so it won't sound exactly the same as your previous posts saying the same thing?

God, this is funny :rofl:

[AGirl]

48. I don't mean to *betray* Clinton supporters or say anything bad about you guys

It's really not that, the Clinton supporters are great people on here and I appreciate those who have been kind to me. I've just gone back to my root.

[buff2]

55. Oh?

Don't tell me it's a race issue. Naw.......that's impossible.

[AGirl]

58. well , when i first came here, i wasnt a Clinton supporter, but i know how you guys are picked on

and I felt bad about it and I still do. I hate when sexist attacks are used against Clinton and i will defend that always! And Clinton supporters have the right to be here, so I am not trying to be mean or what not, its just me going through a change of mind.

[buff2]

71. You seem a bit confused.

:shrug:

[AGirl]

77. Yeah I really was...still am. But at least I know Clinton is bad.

[akbacchus_BC]

99. Agirl, give it up! You are not winning any fans on here. We all

know you are Senator Clinton's supporter. Do you have some multiple personality. Have no idea how to understand you, but I sure do know that you are a Senator Clinton supporter and here to mess with Senator Obama's supporter. Give it a rest!

[Horse with no Name]

49. It is seriously funny

the deep belly laugh kind of funny.

[buff2]

50. Someone should cut and paste all her

leaving the Hillary camp posts. Then post them all on one page. :rofl:

[rodeodance]

62. gawd, that would be a HOOT.

[akbacchus_BC]

72. I agree with you. What is with this silliness, one day an avid Senator Clinton supporter and two

days later she is denouncing Senator Clinton. This does not make any sense to me, unless Jeykll and Hyde are still around. This is beyond pathetic. I hope the poster knows what she is doing! Peace

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Okie Dokie Pokey!!!!

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

59. You have allready said that in long post -? two weeks ago?--and before that you were on the fence.

get a life!

[thewiseguy]

65. I respect your opinion but..

as an Obama supporter not too excited about some of the things you said way back.

and yes Hillary's stance on Iraq war is troubling. (and will be the cause of her downfall)

[AGirl]

67. well, theres no reason you would be excited about me, I am not excited about Obama..

I am just saying I can't stand Hillary Clinton.

[thewiseguy]

73. I aint excited about people just bcoz they love Obama

I very much love some Hillary supporters. As long as they are rational.

[buff2]

76. Have you thought about Nader?

he might be what you are looking for. :evilgrin:

[AGirl]

80. I might vote for Nader if Obama turns out to be worse than I thought... but no reason to believe

that at this point

[buff2]

84. But wouldn't that be going against your root?

Just sayin..

[Hoof Hearted]

68. Oh my goodness it's Ground Hog's day - AGAIN.

This isn't the Yahoo boards sweetypie. People actually remember what you've already said.

LAME.

[Bluebear]

74. She is still done, she explains, but now she is just doner.

:rofl:

[Qanisqineq]

78. LOL!

That's what I was going to say -- Groundhog's Day -- and then I saw your post! :rofl:

[Bluebear]

70. AGirl: March 7. "I am not a Hillary supporter anymore."

I mean, do what you want but you're a little busted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4956916

[AGirl]

75. Dude, does that mean I can't say I still don't support her? OH my god, is that a SIN?

I am just saying I have been such a big supporter of her for so long and I am still suprised at myself for that.

[Bluebear]

79. Your OP says "Now"....as in the present time. Not that you had this revelation 10 days ago.

Come on, now.

[AGirl]

82. notice i said "I am *SO OVER* Clinton"

it shows I am opposed to her even more than i was 10 days ago and now i am completely against her. :)

[Bluebear]

83. You said ****NOW**** you are so over. Whatever. You go ahead & vote for Nader.

:silly:

[AGirl]

87. Yes Now i am SO OVER her. It means i wasn't completely over her 10 days ago.

It doesn't just happen immediately when you supported someone so strongly, DUH! I am still proably not completely over her, i still have a soft spot for her, I still want to defend her, so fucking what? my heart is not always rational.

[akbacchus_BC]

109. Gosh, do you have double personality? One minute you are an ardent Senator Clinton supporter and

suddendly you pretending to be an Obama supporter. Listen Mr. Jeyll and Mr. Hyde, What is wrong with you?

[LostinVA]

138. But she still only had problems sometimes with Hillary the day this thread was originally posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5122306

[buff2]

81. Oops!

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

86. You are a good person for dealing with that and seeing the light

GOBAMA or at least...yunno...

[buff2]

88. You've been duped

She's not for anyone.First it was Hillary......then Obama.......now it might be Nader. Ow....my head hurts.:banghead:

[angie_love]

89. its better than being for McCain as some supporters have said they would be

if their candidate is not nominated. So I really don't get the faux outrage. Its alittle silly but I find it funny.

[CoffeeCat]

94. Your head hurts because of that?

Geez. What a weenie you are.

People change their minds about the candidates and who they support all of the
time.

I'm really unclear about why people are being so rough on this person.

I think it's really rude and bizarre.

She's not an Obama supporter, so I have no stake in this.

I think everyone should be treated with respect, as they make up their mind
and try to process this emotionally exhausting primary season.

It's been rough on all of us.

I went from Gore---->Edwards----Obama-----Edwards----Obama. I wrote, as I was processing.
No one ever ridiculed me for (gasp!) changing my mind!

How rude of you people.

[akbacchus_BC]

103. No, she is not for Obama, she does this once every few days to mess

with Obama supporters. Agirl is an avid Senator Clinton supporter. Come on people, she is just mocking you all!

[stellanoir]

91. All I have to say is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

peace now

[loveangelc]

92. WOW.

I thought you were one of the biggest Hillary supporters here.

Good for you!!!

[knixphan]

96. ClassWarrior: quote du jour...

'You cannot “win” an occupation.'

BIN-go.

Love ya, AGirl! Welcome to the resistance.

[robbedvoter]

101. The media told you to like Hillary? Who? Where? Can I have access to that media?

Cuz my TV radio, print & internet all say "Hill bad, Obama God" maybe I don't get the same media you do...

[emilyg]

106. Again???

We got it the first time.

[kdpeters]

107. Speak your piece, Agirl. Don't hold your peace.

I think most of us here are at least two degrees of separation from our first choice.

I came to a similar conclusion as you a long time ago. Ever since Iraq started, that has been the issue above all issues for me and Hillary let me down when we needed "the fighter" in her the most. Where was this fight-to-the-death for the past seven years? If she'd stood up and fought this hard against the Bush administration all these years, no one could have touched her in this race. No one. She is where she is because of her performance on the Iraq issue. She failed and doesn't deserve to be rewarded for her failure. She could have used the last seven years to SHOW what kind of leader she is. As far as I'm concerned, she did exactly that which is why she's my very very last Democratic choice for president.

You are smart to remain skeptical of Obama. We all would be so wise to keep an eye on every one, even Kucinich and Gore. That's just our job as citizens. It's no insult to the person. Even those of us inspired by Obama would be wise to expect much much less than we actually hope for.

[akbacchus_BC]

116. Just imagine that your country got shocked and awe for no reason. And most of your family & friends

died for no reason, would you still back the senators who voted for the invasion of Iraq? Agirl is playing with you all. She must be some little girl, who got hold of her parents computer and here to create havoc. No right thinking person could even agree that it was ok to invade Iraq.

[kdpeters]

120. I'm not sure I explained my point clearly. I don't back the senators who voted for invasion.

We agree -- no right thinking person could have EVER agreed that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. I DO imagine "what if" it were my country and my family and friends. "What if" it was someone I cherished being sent to die for lies. It WAS someone I loved when they did it in Vietnam. My father was drafted because his father was a farmer unlike fortunate son Bush. It was my family who suffered the aftermath of that war and when I was old enough to start looking for answers, all I found were lies. And here I saw what I went through about to happen to this generation's children all over again.

As for Agirl, I take her post on its face and if she is "playing" with me, that will be revealed by her own words in time. Until then, I'm content to let her speak for herself as I would do the same for you. I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say to me, but that's probably because I wasn't clear in the first place. To reiterate, my primary issue in deciding is Iraq. Of all the Democrats, Hillary performs the very worst. That's the biggest reason I'm supporting Obama.

[akbacchus_BC]

119. Oh man, Senator clinton do not give a rat's ass about bombing Iraq. Her Husband started the embargo

which killed thousands of Iraqui and a black preacher calling out the atrosity is now racist. God love America! The hyprocrisy is unbelievable!

[kdpeters]

121. We're in total agreement

[grantcart]

118. you were very aggravating now you are a lot of fun

either you are refreshingly innocent and are just thinking outloud as if we were at a slumber party or this is an elaborately stage prank that you have been planning for weeks.

Either way I love it.

[leftofthedial]

122. If Americans were not so shallow and short-sighted,

they'd realize that this election (and the economy and the occupation of Iraq and the "war" on "terror" and the "illegal" immigration issue and so on) are ALL really about the CLASS WAR.

[sudopod]

123. You are an inspiration

I know how you feel. I was a (R)etard this time last year.

By all that is holy, I was a fucking moron. Thankfully, my friends are awesome enough to forgive me.

At least you were 95% right the whole time. ^_^

[better tomorrow]

124. you won't be sorry that you gave up on her...

she has too many ties to the shadow groups and yes, the first woman thing blinded a lot of people. Read all over the Internet and you will see how deeply rooted both she and Bill are with the shadow groups. We can't take the chance. There will be another woman who comes along someday soon who doesn't have all the baggage. In the meantime, I don't think Obama supporters are in the minority here. Welcome

[eridani]

125. We will always have to confront sexism on DU

Believe it or not, there was quite a bit of it before this campaign cycle.

[dkf]

126. Its ok. I used to reflexively defend Hillary too.

Then one day I took a look at what she was doing and I started doubting. And then I looked more and I really began to dislike what I saw.

And the the Iraq War Resolution happened...and it was all over.

Never again.

I'm lucky because I like Obama. But I'd be just as happy to vote against Hillary too.

[IsItJustMe]

128. K&R

[Radical Activist]

129. The war is the most violent expression of oppressive patriarchy in society.

Anyone who supports it is not a feminist.

[cooolandrew]

130. Your new support is welcome. "let's go change the world"

[Texas Hill Country]

131. This thread again? WTF?

[Hawkeye-X]

132. I will say to you - you are forgiven.

Welcome to the Obama Team! You can redeem yourself by phonebanking PA for Obama - we still have until next Monday!

Hawkeye-X

[AGirl]

135. I am not for Obama. :) I am okay with Obama.

And I don't need to be forgiven. :)