That's it? That's all there is to "Pastorgate?"

[txaslftist]

Obama has a crazy-ass pastor?

I mean, ultimately, that's what it boils down to. That sums it up entirely, too.

Obama goes to a church with a crazy-ass pastor, the kind of guy whose support was very valuable in local Illinois politics, and now he's become a liability. There isn't going to be any steady drip drip drip of new allegations, there isn't any more to the story to come out later than there is right now.

It's funny how disheartening this kind of thing can be when it first hits, and when every major news outlet jumps on it like mad, but really, how much "legs" does a story like this have? It's actually good that the conversation has turned to this discussion NOW, rather than in October when it will really matter. The fact is, to get ahead in the rough and tumble world of Illinois street politics, you need allies like Rev. Wright. When they become liabilities later on, you distance yourself as best you can and keep on keepin' on.

Of course, nobody knows this as well as the Clintons, as they've moved from one unsavory alliance to another, leaving a string of people behind feeling "betrayed" when in fact they weren't. So the MSM is going to bounce this thing around for another week or two, playing the "reverse racism" and "black supremacy church" and "Goddamn America" card for all it's worth, and Obama will take a temporary hit in the polls, but the fundamentals remain sound.

The really rare thing is that a candidate can get this far without a glove being laid on him, like Obama has. So now he's a little saltier, and a little savvier. Good. He'll be in better shape for the grueling attacks after he gets the nomination.

Meanwhile, I'm done losing sleep over this deal. It's going to be over in about two weeks, and then we can move on.

[here_is_to_hope]

1. Yep, thats all there was...nothing left to do but

maybe donate to DU?
Yeah, thats the ticket...:hi:

[txaslftist]

5. LOL. I need all my money for gas these days, sorry.

[here_is_to_hope]

16. I am trying to be the new Grovelbot...

Save your pennies, gonna need them for gas!
Love ya....:toast:

[rainy]

2. as long as the media don't choose to keep it going. You know how they are.

[txaslftist]

8. Sure, but people stop listening after a while, and then they can't sell soap...

... so it's on to the next "big story"...

One good thing about a corporowhore media, they depend on ratings.

[Why Syzygy]

3. I heard his polls are up.

I hope this does drop off the radar, as it should. Even though he can't stop talking about it, even Anderson Cooper thinks it is a non-issue.

The reporting is a racist undertaking in and of itself. The ones crying loudest are more racist than Wright ever conceived of.

empahsis added
O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338488,00.html

SEAN CASEY, BARACK OBAMA'S ADVISER: It's interesting to me. You haven't vetted Hillary Clinton's pastor's sermons. It seems to me what you're trying to do is what some of the media tried to do to John Kennedy in 1960. That because he was a Catholic, he must embrace certain political views the Catholic Church held.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

That's Obama adviser Sean Casey. And it's nonsense. That's just BS.
Now I don't believe Senator Obama agrees with his pastor, but he again needs to explain the situation himself, not that pinhead. Again, I wouldn't sit in a church where a pastor said that. Would you? Why does Senator Obama? That's a simple question.

On the press front, the corrupt left-wing media hates this story. The Chicago Sun-Times ignored it completely. New York Times barely mentioned it. CBS and NBC News didn't report it last night on their nightly programs. ABC News had all the tape, but ran very little of it. CNN pretty much ignored it, except for Anderson Cooper.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANDERSON COOPER: All this seems to have nothing to do with actual issues that the country is facing, which these candidates should be talking about and we probably should be talking about. So on the one hand, I mean, people are talking about it. It's clearly an issue that's building up in the campaign trail, so we end up covering it. But at the same time, it does feel just completely off track.

[tyne]

4. It's no different

than the right-wing extremers concluding that the left hates the troops and America just because we spoke out against the war.

Oh wait...it is different. It's worse. Now the game being played is that those who witness someone speaking out against what our gov is doing hates America.

Nice, eh?

Congrats to the Hillary supporters who jumped on that train.

[TexasLady]

23. Im glad many didn't though.

I would hate to think that Hannity and Rush et al, are getting Dems to listen to them in hopes of more dirt on this thing.

[FyurFly]

6. reporting the issues with Wright is not racist

But thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

[txaslftist]

10. No, it's just ... old.

The story is over. It's been told. Hit taken, but hardly a crippling blow.

[Why Syzygy]

20. A continued emphasis

and feigned outrage, yes, is racism. Why else continue to promote the story if not to draw distinctions between races? That, sir, is racism.

The maturing, evolving minds do not view this as the calamity the right wing wants it to be. We are more grown up than that. We have decided that race is a false issue fed to us to keep us at war with one another. It has worked extremely well and continues to do so for those who still mentally live in the dark ages.

Obama will address this tomorrow morning. I'm sure he will be more level headed than I.

[backscatter712]

34. Yes it is.

If it was genuine outrage, it would have lasted until Obama's statement on Friday, then it would fade away.

No. It keeps being brought up, because it keeps bringing up those angry-black-man images, which are a classic dog-whistle to the bigots in this country.

Fundamentally, the continued faux outrage over Wright is bigotry-driven, and intended for a bigoted audience.

[sandnsea]

39. Nobody cares about McCain's crazy pastors

Nobody connects the Pope's crazy statements to any Catholic pastors. Nobody questioned the craziness of Arkansas' covenant marriages or not all that much when Huckabee said something about replacing the constitution with the ten commandments. That was truly crazy. Hell the gays should be upset because there wasn't a peep in the media about Donnie McClurkin. Nope, there was next to no outrage about any of this religious stuff - until a black man criticized white people. It's completely racist.

[elixir]

9. His polls are down. See Rasmussen today.

[Johnny__Motown]

7. CNN still trying to push it

[txaslftist]

11. And they probably will for another week or two,

then it'll be over and we'll go on to the next missing blonde.

[mzmolly]

37. Heh

Yep. But at least it will be over before the GE.

[TwilightGardener]

12. The NYT story about McCain alleged that McCain's ties with lobbyist

Iseman (with whom the "affair" rumor came up) resulted in some inappropriate transactions and dealings with Iseman clients whose business was before McCain in the Senate Commerce Committee, or who needed favors from the FCC, like Paxson Communications. McCain was even caught in lies several times, about the Paxson/TV station deal. He was also caught in a lie about speaking with Kerry in regard to being VP in 2004. The media dropped all the lies and allegations--gone. Doesn't matter what he does wrong, or how many times he lies or has his questionable ethics uncovered, it's gone the next day. But Obama has an old black preacher friend who sometimes sez stupid things and is sometimes angry about race--campaign killer! He'd better step down! He's lucky to still hold a Senate seat! The double standard is absurd--and I didn't even MENTION the shit on Hillary that goes down the media memory hole.

[txaslftist]

15. I respectfully disagree. The McCain-Iseman affair lasted about

two weeks, and then went away. "Pastorgate" has lasted about a week and I'd give it another week or maybe two. Then it will go into the memory hole along with McCain-Iseman.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Two weeks? It lasted about 2 days, and then McCain told reporters

to stop asking questions about it, and Republicans rallied around their guy and bashed the NYT, (unlike Dems, who just buy whatever the media sells, even if it hurts our candidates)--and that was it. Gone. Nobody mentions what a fucking corrupt liar McCain is in the media. No, because Obama has ties to angry black people.

[txaslftist]

22. Well, having a party that wasn't tearing itself apart ...

... would certainly help. We've been pretty schizophrenic since 2006.

[stillcool]

13. it sure brought out the nasties...

they are probably all back at hillary44 and Newsmax scrounging around in the kitchen sink for some shit to rinse off and repeat.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Any Hillary supporter on here who is pushing the Wright shit is not a Democrat--'nuff said.

[txaslftist]

18. And it probably would have done the same the other way.

Us Obama supporters are hardly immune from throwing shit at the Clintons. Sure, we may perceive it as defensive, but I suspect they view it as just as nasty when we do it as when they do it.

Human nature, I suspect.

[stillcool]

24. I don't have it in me...

to display the attitude and the language. I think the most acerbic inflammatory posters get off on it.

[txaslftist]

25. It's hard not to be inflammatory when you read something like this:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America."

[grantcart]

17. No Obama has a good pastor who goes ape shit every 4-5 years

If we were to examine every line of every sermon in the US you would probably catch 80% of the pastors saying something that most people would consider to be insane.

Remember Jesus whipping those merchants at the Temple?

Can you imagine if that was on youtube? The Church would be about 10% of the size it is today.

[txaslftist]

19. LOL. I'm sure if the moneychangers had a 529 Jesus would never get nominated

[ginnyinWI]

26. I'm giving it less than a week.

More likely another day or so--until the next Big Story comes along! The media always has to have a fresh kill.

It's probably a good thing that this came out now, though. Some white Americans have a latent fear of the "angry black man", and need to make sure than Obama is not one. Even though he gives no sign of being angry, even this much association with an angry black clergyman makes some white people skittish. Once they think it through--then it's okay again. It's totally understandable, and I think it will be a net positive for Obama once America figures it all out.

Obama having to fight the stereotype of the angry black is like Clinton having to fight the stereotype of being a weakling female.

[txaslftist]

28. Bill or Hillary?

[TexasLady]

27. It wouldn't even make a good country song

no whiskey, no women, no dawgs.
:P

[txaslftist]

30. No trains, no fights, no rodeo...

Not even a boy named "Sue"

[starroute]

36. Well, Barack has a touch of "boy named Sue" in him

I don't have a link, but he's certainly spoken about the challenges of growing up in America with a funny name.

They'll get a country song out of that yet.

[txaslftist]

42. Kickin' and a gougin' in the mud and the blood and the beer?

[Buzz Clik]

29. That's it to the controversy. But you can believe we'll continue to see dozens of threads daily...

... from you know who.

Simple pleasures.

[txaslftist]

31. Oh, I know that. Still, they have this to ignore:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America." -HRC

[TwilightGardener]

32. That is awful. But the folks who support Obama already have rejected

her and her hawkishness/neocon tendencies, and the folks who support Hillary either agree with her or have already decided not to pay those tendencies any mind, no matter what stupid Bush-like thing she says.

[txaslftist]

41. I don't know if Hillary backers are as hawkish as she is...

... I think a lot of them are thinking that the hawkishness is something she just puts on to woo centrists, conservatives and lunatic warmongers; and that once elected, she'll be mother Teresa...

I don't think so. I don't think she'll be as trigger happy as McCain, but I think she'll be ready and willing to drop bombs at a moment's notice.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Sounds eerily similar to Cheney's statements about Iraq today.

[txaslftist]

38. I found "the Gift of Freedom" particularly odious.

[BigDDem]

35. Yeah, nothing to it

Keep telling yourself that.
Middle America loves "God Damn America"
USofKKKA

[Rex_Goodheart]

40. God Damn America, US of KKKA,

our government invented AIDS to kill black people, Natalie Holloway deserved what she got, the USA deserved what it got on 9/11... and Obama sat there for 20 years helping to fund those types of messages.

Wright saying those things is not the big deal. Obama paying dollars and attendance for it is.

[txaslftist]

43. I'm gonna go with "no" on that one.

Obama donating to his church isn't a big deal at all. It's a week of "big deal" and then it's not anymore.

The story has a few more days to run, then it's "yawn..."