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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:35 PM
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No one should be surprised if Hillary gets the nomination, if her Iraq policy is the same as mccains
everything in her voting record indicates that would be the case:

Voting for the IWR
Voting for the Kyle Lieberman ammendment
Voting for allowing cluster bombs to be used in civillian areas

There was no abiguity where she stood on those issues






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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:38 PM
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1. DOD always planned on a 'ten year' occupation (2003--2013)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

as the British intelligence put it re the '73 plans for occupation. Things got tweaked to Iraq, but the timeline remains the same...WHY ????

Hilary's closer to the DOD, so maybe Barack can ask her sometime.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:44 PM
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2. She stated that she would start withdrawl in 60 days.... Obama - not sure - maybe 18 mths?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 02:50 PM by kerry-is-my-prez
The only thing I've heard from the Obama team is Samantha Powers saying that thing about they wouldn't even start to do anything for 18 months - but it's hard to tell if that is what Obama is for. It seems hard to believe that someone from his campaign would state that publicly if Obama didn't agree with that somewhat. It's such an important issue that it seems impossible that they wouldn't have spoken about the Iraq war palns.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:46 PM
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5. I would be plesantly surprised if that was so, but I suspect it will be very
similar to the way the house took over in 2006, dealing with Iraq


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:44 PM
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3. Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5119769#5119769
5119769, Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 08:58 AM

from The Swamp: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_mccain_would_keep_troo.html




Speaking at George Washington University this morning, Clinton tied McCain to President Bush, saying there would be little difference in policy if McCain became president.

“Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary,” she said. “That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them.”

“We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton. “Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”

Clinton did not reserve her criticism for McCain alone. She also charged that Obama did not begin working to end the war until he began running for president. And, she pointed out, one of Obama’s top foreign policy advisers told the BBC that if elected, Obama would not follow his campaign plan to withdraw troops from Iraq. That adviser, Samantha Power, has since resigned.

“I have concrete, detailed plans to end this war and I have not wavered on my commitment to follow through on them,” said Clinton, who pledged to follow through “as responsibly and as quickly as possible.”




Here’s a Clinton campaign memo distributed to reporters this morning in advance of Clinton’s Iraq policy speech in Washington: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6546


To: Interested Parties From: The Clinton Campaign Date: March 17, 2008 RE: Just Words for Five Years

Over the last few weeks, the question of who is most ready to be Commander-in-Chief has rightfully dominated the presidential campaign. Who is ready to take the 3 a.m. call? Who has a record of action on national security issues? Who is ready to be president on day one?

Senator Clinton has worked to answer these questions by presenting her record to voters and enabling them to judge her based on the record she has amassed during her 35 years of public service - as a first lady who traveled to 82 countries and as a U.S. Senator who sits on the Armed Services Committee.

Lacking a comparable record, Senator Obama has premised his campaign on just words, most notably the resounding speech he delivered in October 2002 against the Iraq war.

But with the fifth anniversary of the invasion upon us, the onus is now on Senator Obama to demonstrate what he did to act on that 2002 speech when he got to the U.S. Senate.

Hillary has long argued that what matters in this campaign isn’t what we’ve said but what we’ve done. Are words backed with action?

This week, the Clinton Campaign will continue to discuss which candidate is ready to be Commander-in-Chief on day one. We will urge Senator Obama to show that he hasn’t simply amassed five years of words, that his record on ending the war is one of action.

Senator Obama gave an anti-Iraq speech in 2002 that he removed from his website in 2003, calling it “dated.” When he got to the Senate, Senator Obama failed to take advantage of the opportunity provided by his new position and did little to turn his words into action until he became a White House candidate. In fact, he voted for over $300 billion in funds for the war and waited 18 months to speak on the Senate floor about Iraq, delivering a speech AGAINST the Kerry amendment that set a hard deadline for withdrawal.

When he took over the subcommittee that oversees NATO and Afghanistan and had a chance to follow up on the part of his 2002 speech that argued that Iraq diverted attention from Afghanistan, he failed to hold a single hearing. And as a candidate, he regularly touts a plan to set a hard end date for Iraq that has now been dismissed by one of his foreign policy advisers as just words.

Voters need to know whether they can count on their candidates to act on the ideas they tout on the stump. While Senator Clinton has acted on the words she uses on the campaign trail, Senator Obama’s words aren’t backed by action.

At the end of the day, the true test for a president is not the speeches he or she delivers - it’s whether he or she delivers on the speeches.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:46 PM
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4. SEE how FOOLISH you look when you spout off will stupid stuff!! check out my post-
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:47 PM
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6. we will see who looks foolish, if she gets the nomination /nt
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:48 PM
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7. Unlike Obama where there is plenty of ambiguity!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:54 PM
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8. You know exactly where you are with Hillary alright /nt
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:11 PM
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9. "As War Neared in 2003--Hillary Was Silent" (active WillyT thread)
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