Clinton: "we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift...freedom"

[sabra]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/hillary-and-the.html

<snip>

"Around the world we have to restore American leadership and our moral authority and that begins by ending the war in Iraq and bringing our troops home," Clinton said, per ABC News' Eloise Harper. "I know that we can starting within 60 days have a plan to begin responsibly and safely withdrawing our young men and women.

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America.

[anonymous171]

1. OMG neocon.

:puke:

[whatchamacallit]

65. Why would the glorious bringer of freedom admit to regretting her IWR vote at the debate?

Which is it?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

89. Trying to justify her voting for the war in Iraq. Makes me want to puke too!

[roguevalley]

119. from the stories in the news, they have the freedom to sell their

little children to anyone they can because they can't feed them, freedom to die in explosions, freedom to be ethnically cleansed, freedom to starve and live in a place without electricity, where the sewage stands on the ground because it has no place else to go.

Yeah. let freedom soar.

[indepat]

151. OMG, what a f'ing neocon, what a

re:puke:

[dysfunctional press]

166. is mccain PAYING her to make his campaign commercials for the fall?

:banghead:

what a stupid nasty fucking BITCH!

[WillyT]

2. Oh BARF !!!

:argh:

:puke:

:banghead:

[polpilot]

164. She's an excellent choice for McCain's VP...just excellent!!

[polichick]

3. Yeah, "Nevermind that we murdered and maimed your loved ones and ruined your country...

...you should be grateful!"

[Umbram]

She has to justify her vote somehow, I suppose... (nt)

[ericgtr]

4. Have her go to Iraq and tell that to all the women being slain

on a regular basis for not correctly wearing their clothes.

[denem]

5. One Million Iraqis have been given a very special freedom

Freedom from life.

[Lerkfish]

6. "global american leadership" is the neocon mantra

I'm just sayin.

[uponit7771]

7. ...and now Clinton trys to move to the right thinking BO is hurt

[me b zola]

35. The Clinton camp have been attacking Obama from the right...

...in a primary you should attack from the left--if you're a Dem.

This seems like just a continuation of the Clinton policies/agenda.


edited to emphasize "if".

[Umbram]

43. Just setting up Clinton/Lieberman. (nt)

[Quixote1818]

8. Oh, yuck! nt

[Umbram]

9. Yes, Hillary. They will be kissing your feet for your "gift" to them. (nt)

[msongs]

10. oh look, the obama supporters are now AGAINST troop withdrawals .

"I know that we can starting within 60 days have a plan to begin responsibly and safely withdrawing our young men and women."

evidently obama supporters retching over this statement would rather troops stay in Iraq as Obama has voted for them to do?

Msongs

[denem]

14. Lies

[Umbram]

16. So, you can read - just not the part we are discussing...

Interesting, must be like selective hearing.

[cali]

17. bullshit. Obama has voted for most legislation mandating troop

withdrawal and has made it clear that he plans to withdraw the troops within 16 months. What Power said was that he would listen to top brass about conditions on the ground. So will Hilly. And your comment is just deflection- or you believe that the Iraqis are just so lucky, just like hilly.

[dionysus]

20. to defend the undefendable, you need a good banky;

[TwilightGardener]

116. LOL!

[txaslftist]

48. I'm pretty sure what they're against is the "gift of freedom" bit...

but you're free to spin that how you like.

[last1standing]

135. Msongs, you know that's not what Obama supporters are saying. Why suggest it?

I've lost a lot of respect for some DUers lately for spreading lies and being maliciously hurtful toward others. Please don't descend into that.

[Lerkfish]

145. because in order to defend the indefensible, they must use distraction, hyperbole and outright

obfuscation.


it just comes down to the fact that they, on some level, realize their goddess is made of neoplastic and they can't accept that they would back such a horse. So in order to feel good about themselves, they have to demonize others ENOUGH to balance the scales.


IMHO

[last1standing]

148. Don't use my posts to insult someone else.

I was trying to post something to someone I have respect for. Why would you jump in and be insulting?

[Lerkfish]

155. um, I didn't. You asked a question

I answered it generally with my opinion. you asked "why do that?" and I posted an analysis of why someone would do that.

if you wish to only allow certain types of answers, then please explain that. Or, if your communication was supposed to be private, may I suggest in the future you use a PM.


However, posting in an open forum will invite many different types of answers.

the respect you have with another poster is not my concern, it is only yours.

[Name removed]

161. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lerkfish]

184. CU later overreacter, then.

you accused me of using your post to insult someone. I did not.

I posted in a thread that was not private, my comments in general for everyone to read.

if you want private conversation, do it privately.

since you said "bye bye" I assume you have me on ignore -- doesn't bother me at all, have a nice life.

[thoughtcrime1984]

159. Retching over Hillary's gift of death? mkay

I'm so glad she voted for the gift. :sarcasm:

[cali]

11. That's a repulsive comment.

And flat out lie of the worst kind. C'mon hill supporters, let's see you rally behind that.

[Umbram]

22. Naa, they are very adept at avoiding these sorts of things.

They'll either:

1.) not reply
2.) reply to only the withdrawal part
3.) tell us we're all sexist
4.) or spam an extra 50 Wright threads to knock this off the first page.

[OhioChick]

12. Sure has those RW talking points nailed down.... nt

[Umbram]

It seems that lately she authors authors half of them (nt)

[Cheap_Trick]

103. well, when they rely on NEWSMAX for sources...

whadda ya expect?

[madfloridian]

Oh dear God, tell me she did not say that?

Unforgivable.

[stillrockin]

13. ExCUSE me???? Are you out of your effin MIND?

[Kaylee]

15. I hate talk like this.

How American of her. We destroy the place and blame them for not cleaning it up fast enough.

[whatchamacallit]

18. F HER!

What a pig.

[City Lights]

19. Wow.

So Hill, was it right or wrong to invade Iraq? :freak:

:puke: on you, Hill.

[Stephanie]

21. Those Iraqis who are still alive, that is.

[Metric System]

23. What do you people expect her to say? That the US soldiers died for nothing? Even Obama wouldn't be

that politically tone deaf.

[denem]

27. Keep digging.

[Umbram]

28. The Iraqis that she voted to kill will be happy to know that American lives were not wasted (nt)

[democrank]

37. For Christ sakes, they DID die for nothing!

Among other things, they died so Cheney could bring his pre-invasion oilfield map to life.

[Metric System]

83. Yes, but do you think Obama would ever actually come right out and say that in public? Political

suicide.

[rodeodance]

203. This whole thread is just one big Hillary hate fest-little crickets talking hate.

[IndianaGreen]

46. Our troops died and suffered for nothing, all because of lies!

The neocons that launched this war are criminals that should be standing trial at The Hague.

[txaslftist]

53. Gee, I don't know. Maybe something other than "we've given them ...

...the gift of freedom."

When what we've given them is a bloody effed up nation with millions of refugees, probably a million dead and a non-functioning government.

If Hillary believes we've given them such a great gift, I guess she needn't apologize for her support of the war in the first place, though.

[Binka]

69. I Do Not Expect Her To Spew CRAVEN DEPRAVED MOTHERFUCKING NONSENSE

I almost lost my son in that fucking hell hole and the stories he told me would make your eyes bleed. For the fat ass pantsuit queen to shit out of her mouth this condescending and idiotic neo con BULLSHIT is lower than the belly of a pregnant snake. Hey Hillary send Chelsea if the war is such a democratic and freedom fulfilling mission.

[Umbram]

80. It is best not to have any expectations as far as Hillary is concerned. (nt)

[Binka]

90. You Are Correct

Malignant Narcissists ALWAYS Disappoint.

[ladjf]

75. They died for less than nothing.

[Voice for Peace]

78. Better to say something like:

The American invasion of Iraq has torn that country apart. Millions have died
and thousands of our own soldiers have died and been traumatically disabled
for life.

Although we deposed a harsh dictator, our actions have destroyed the country
and created an unprecedented humanitarian disaster in that land.

Not only will we withdraw our troops as soon as possible, but we will do
everything we are able to help the country and the people get back on their feet.

The gift of freedom is not America's to give. America is not God, and
needs to stop acting like it is.

[frylock]

99. how about she not say anything?

is it too much to ask that she not repeat right-wing jingoistic bullshit platitudes? or is everything black/white to you?

[City Lights]

110. Maybe she should do what you do. YAWN. eom

[moodforaday]

195. Truth is tone deaf. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

24. What was Rev. Wright's line about arrogant white America again?

Fucking tone deaf bullshit.

[DefenseLawyer]

193. Hey we gave those black folks the gift of freedom too!

and look how he has decided to use our precious gift. Why he's as ungrateful as those damn Iraqis.

[helderheid]

25. Woah...

:wow:

[stray cat]

26. that speech would have been better if Iraqis were free not to be murdered.

[denem]

30. One million are already free not to be murdered

You can't get murdered twice.

[Umbram]

174. No kidding. (nt)

[Yurovsky]

29. She's been observed gift wrapping a present for the Iranian people...

not sure they want it, though.

:nuke:

[Umbram]

31. We must ALL remember that Neocons are NOT party specific. They are opportunists. (nt)

[anonymous171]

32. Weren't they democrats first? In the 60's?

[Umbram]

33. And by the looks of it, might have a future in our party... (nt)

[olkaz]

34. Not necessarily Democrats, they were liberals.

Liberals scared into crapping their pants at the thought of brown people become Neoconservatives. Every time.

[Recursion]

204. Yeah, they broke with the "real" conservatives over civil rights,

Which, to their credit, they supported (Irving Kristol was a big supporter of MLK).

Then they broke with Nixon because... wait for it... he was too much of a dove.

[redqueen]

81. Neo-cons / Neo - libs - Potayto / Potahto (nt)

[burythehatchet]

36. Fuck. You. Hillary. Clinton.

[rodeodance]

172. Hillary is Democratic Pres. candidate. Have some respect.

Fuck. You. Hillary. Clinton.
Posted by burythehatchet

[Nostradammit]

199. Anyone who can say what she just said

deserves no respect.

none.

[formercia]

38. Bring home the old men and women too.

There's troops older than Hillary serving today.


Hey Hillary!! pull your head out of your ass for a second and look around.

[blogslut]

39. Dear Hillary,

Your speech is a heaping pile of fail.

[bicentennial_baby]

47. ...

[Umbram]

54. Heh, nice pic. (nt)

[Nostradammit]

201. That picture!

:rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

40. Wow. I didn't know "freedom" meant the destruction of lives, towns and infrastructure

and worms in their water and lack of electricity and the rise of radical Islam. Who knew, Hill?

[Umbram]

Freedom means whatever Clinton wants it to mean.

She shares Bush's love of redefining words.

[democrank]

41. "Given the greatest gift" says Dreamworld Hillary.

Honestly. I want to puke.


http://www.aliabbas.net/

[Umbram]

42. She wants to make sure cluster bombs remain legal so she can keep giving! (nt)

[IndianaGreen]

44. Barf! Spoken like a true neocon, Hillary!

Iraqis didn't ask the US to invade them anymore than the Poles asked Germany to invade them in 1939.

:puke:

[Exilednight]

45. Anyone who can vote for someone who makes such a statement .......

might as well vote for McCain.

[Umbram]

50. If Obama takes the nomination

I imagine plenty of them probably will...sad as that is.

[Exilednight]

59. then they're not true Democrats. Nothing more thand DINO's and this statement puts Hillary in......

that same group.

[Umbram]

61. I agree. (nt)

[Emit]

49. She's plagiarizing Bush & Co. now. n/t

[WDIM]

51. The freedom to die from bombs

The freedom to die from curable disease.
The freedom to live in civil war.
The freedom to wait until the US leaves and another dictator takes over.

Thank you Hillary for your gift of freedom to the Iraqi people! Your speech and vote help pave the way to war! You help give them the wonderful freedom they are enjoying today!

[bigbrother05]

52. Bush speak

[Umbram]

55. No better example of it, that's for sure. (nt)

[ecstatic]

56. So Bush's invasion was justified then?

Make up your mind Clinton!

[Umbram]

97. She wants it every which way. (nt)

[shadowknows69]

57. Oh no she didn't

If Obama starts spewing this shit too I'm becoming a Canadian.

[DerekJ]

147. not with Harper around :) wait for a bit

[bunnies]

58. 5 million refugees. 1 million dead.

Is that what she calls "freedom". Disgusting.

[otohara]

60. Except Those Who Are DEAD

and those who will be killed at some market, mosque, or on a cluster bomb that Ms. Clinton still supports.

Gag, this is reminiscent of GWB.

[dailykoff]

62. Next in line for freedom: Iran, Syria, and Libya

courtesy of Lockheed-Martin, Halliburton, and the rest of Hillary's $upporters.

[Umbram]

63. Yep. (nt)

[backscatter712]

64. Spin this, Hill-billies!

[Umbram]

68. They won't bother try.

They don't want to acknowledge this side of their candidate.

[Az_lefty]

66. if she starts spouting Jr's bullshit, I am totally done with her!!!

:grr:

[bvar22]

67. I'm glad I'm not on Hillary's Christmas List.

How can anyone support this woman? :shrug:

[Binka]

76. But She Gives Out Such Lovely Cluster Bombs! n/t

[bvar22]

125. Yes.

The Cluster Bombs are a big hit with the children.
But, of course, the Cluster Bombs only go to the little brown foreign children.

Hillary also loves giving Land Mines.
NOW theres a gift that keeps on giving for YEARS!

[ladjf]

70. But what about the 1,000,000 + Iraqis that have been killed?

That's not such a great gift.

[formercia]

101. They have been set free.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Busted flat in Baton Rouge, waitin' fer a train
When I's feeling nearly faded as my jeans
Bobby thumbed a diesel down, just before it rained
And rode us all the way to New Orleans
I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana
I's playing soft while Bobby sung the blues, n-yeah
Windshield wipers slapping time I's, holding Bobby's hand in mine
We sang every song that driver knew

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose
Nothing, I mean nothing honey if it ain't free, no no
Yeah feeling good was easy Lord when he sang the blues
You know feeling good was good enough for me
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.

[NJSecularist]

71. Iraqis have been given the greatest gift... freedom to die because of cluster bomb legislation

Thanks to Hillary Rodham Clinton...

[ladjf]

72. The speech should have been made in one sentence, "Get the

hell out of Iraq immediately". Anything other than that is bull s..t at best.

[psychopomp]

73. I thought US and British companies owned all their sh@t

Wasn't that the whole point of the occupation government of Bremer? To divvy up the spoils and sell off Iraq's national treasure to foreign companies and banks?

[quiet.american]

74. What bothers me most about her words is the impression that only the American lives lost count.

Second most bothersome -- utterly letting Bushco off the hook for the high crime of deceiving this country, and its blood, and its treasure, into committing an international war crime -- attacking a sovereign nation to secure its oil and other resources for the benefit of the haves and have-mores.

[IndianaGreen]

79. Hillary is a true monster in every meaning of the word.

This is why she always criticized the management of the war, rather than the moral, legal, and ethical issues the war posed for our country.

Hillary is an enabler of mass murder!

[denem]

84. I completely agree

Death shall set them free :puke:

[Umbram]

96. After considering her statement, it's hard not to agree...(nt)

[sniffa]

77. Ungrateful Iraqis

After we freed them from running electricity, a working government, and their limbs/lives.

[WinkyDink]

177. HRC has been parroting the "The leaders need to shape up NOW!" line, also.

As though Iraq asked us to intervene, and now they OWE US, DAMMIT!!

[K Gardner]

82. I Hope Hillary Doesn't Start REGIFTING the U.S.

[redqueen]

85. What about their oil? (nt)

[tabasco]

86. Then why is the US Army still there?

Are we giving them freedom at the end of a tank barrel?

HILLARY = REPUBLICAN

[knixphan]

93. exactly, man!

[Umbram]

87. Don't let this thread die.

This IS an important issue. Clinton's neocon tendencies must be examined.

[XemaSab]

88. Kicking this so Hillary can speak for herself.

Disgusting. :(

[Whisp]

91. did she really fucking SAY THAT?

tell me this is aspoof or something.

FUCK! what a PIECE OF SHIT!
Neocons talk like this!

Hillary, How about Brenners rules for Iraq early oninthe war? privatisatizing, terminmation seeds, etc., HOWS THAT FREEDOM for the Iraqis, besides the other part of being Free from their family and friends through the war and free of limbs and safety.

damn, she is one fucking VILE piece of shit.

[knixphan]

92. she really said that??

[AGirl]

94. a gift??? Um, Fuck you Senator Clinton. n/t

:) And fuck your gift.

[knixphan]

95. superiority complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

[blogslut]

98. Is this on video?

Anybody know?

[WillyT]

121. Yep !!! - Right Here:

At the 8:05 mark!

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vtlsajFeA

:hi:

[WillyT]

123. Let Me Try This Again... VIDEO HERE !!! - VIDEO HERE !!!

At about the 8:05 mark!

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vtlsajFeA

:shrug:

[blogslut]

198. So, this is part of her regular stump speech?

Oh my.

[WinkyDink]

100. WHAT?! "GIFT"?? Another one who asserts that people "just got ta unnerstand".

"We have to make clear..."???

And I think she got the name wrong of the country that paid with "blood and sacrifice and treasure...."

HERE'S OUR GIFT, HILLARY:

[Paulie]

167. NOT THAT PICTURE!!!

OMG, it makes me break out in tears everytime I see it. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[WinkyDink]

176. Same here. It, to me, is iconic, like the (luckier) little girl running from our napalm.

Perhaps Hillary needs to see it (Bush wouldn't bat an eyelash).

[npincus]

102. she repulses me- sorry.

[Umbram]

104. I wonder how we "make it clear" to them? nt.

[uponit7771]

105. conservative minded folk think killing them a couple of day would keep the thought fresh

[Umbram]

106. Seems so. (nt)

[tabasco]

107. Maybe some more cluster bombs in civilian areas will help clear it up.

Hilary thinks like a republican.

She is extremely short-sighted.

[Umbram]

108. Yea, that'll wake them ingrates up.

Responding to the fact that everything is no peachy in Iraq, Clinton has been heard to say "Let them eat shrapnel."

:puke:

[Oilwellian]

109. This was linked to your original article

Senator Clinton’s militaristic stance on Iraq predated her support for Bush’s 2003 invasion. For example, in defending the brutal four-day U.S. bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998 – known as Operation Desert Fox – she claimed that “he so-called presidential palaces … in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left.” In reality, as became apparent when UN inspectors returned in 2002 as well as in the aftermath of the invasion and occupation, there were no weapons labs, stocks of weapons or missing records in these presidential palaces. In addition, Saddam was still allowing for virtually all inspections to go forward at the time of the 1998 U.S. attacks. The inspectors were withdrawn for their own safety at the encouragement of President Clinton in anticipation of the imminent U.S.-led assault.

Senator Clinton also took credit for strengthening U.S. ties with Ahmad Chalabi, the convicted embezzler who played a major role in convincing key segments of the administration, Congress, the CIA, and the American public that Iraq still had proscribed weapons, weapons systems, and weapons labs. She has expressed pride that her husband’s administration changed underlying U.S. policy toward Iraq from “containment” – which had been quite successful in defending Iraq’s neighbors and protecting its Kurdish minority – to “regime change,” which has resulted in tragic warfare, chaos, dislocation, and instability.

Prior to the 2003 invasion, Clinton insisted that Iraq still had a nuclear program, despite a detailed 1998 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), subsequent studies that indicated that Iraq’s nuclear program appeared to have been completely dismantled a full decade earlier, and a 2002 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate that made no mention of any reconstituted nuclear development effort. Similarly, even though Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons programs had been dismantled years earlier, she also insisted that Iraq had rebuilt its biological and chemical weapons stockpiles. And, even though the limited shelf life of such chemical and biological agents and the strict embargo against imports of any additional banned materials that had been in place since 1990 made it physically impossible for Iraq to have reconstituted such weapons, she insisted that “It is clear…that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”

In the fall of 2002, Senator Clinton sought to discredit those questioning Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Vice-President Dick Cheney, and others who were making hyperbolic statements about Iraq’s supposed military prowess by insisting that Iraq’s possession of such weapons “are not in doubt” and was “undisputed.” Similarly, Clinton insisted that Secretary of State Colin Powell’s February 2003 speech at the UN was “compelling” although UN officials and arms control experts roundly denounced its false claims that Iraq had reconstituted these proscribed weapons, weapons programs, and delivery systems. In addition, although top strategic analysts correctly informed her that there were no links between Saddam Hussein’s secular nationalist regime and the radical Islamist al-Qaeda, Senator Clinton insisted that Saddam “has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.”

The Lead-Up to War

Though the 2003 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq was inaccurate in a number of respects, it did challenge the notion of any operational ties between the Iraqi government and Al-Qaeda and questioned some of the more categorical claims by President Bush about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD). However, Senator Clinton didn’t even bother to read it. She now claims that it wasn’t necessary for her to have actually read the 92-page document herself because she was briefed on the contents of the report. However, since no one on her staff was authorized to read the report, it’s unclear who could have actually briefed her.

During the floor debate over the resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq, Clinton was the only Democratic senator to have categorically accepted the Bush administration’s claims regarding Iraq’s alleged chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs, Iraq’s alleged long-range missile capabilities, and alleged ties to al-Qaeda. (Some Democratic senators accepted some of those claims, but not all of them.)

In the months leading up the war, Senator Clinton chose to ignore the pleas of the hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating in her state and across the country against the war and similarly brushed off calls by religious leaders, scholars, community activists, and others to oppose it. Perhaps most significant was her refusal to consider the anti-war appeals by leaders of the Catholic Church and virtually every mainline Protestant denomination, which noted that it did not meet the traditional criteria in the Christian tradition for a just war. Instead, Senator Clinton embraced the arguments of the right-wing fundamentalist leadership who supported the war. This categorical rejection of the perspective of the mainstream Christian community raises concerns about her theological perspectives on issues of war and peace.

(much more with links to credible sources, not Newsmax)
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4802

How can anyone choose this woman to lead this country?

[Umbram]

111. I would have expected her to wait till the GE to pull so hard to the right. (nt)

[gmudem]

112. This kind of freedom?

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7725/

Meanwhile, major arms-producing countries such as the United States, Russia, Israel and China oppose any ban on cluster bombs, arguing that they are a viable option for self-defense. None was present at the Wellington conference, and none is expected to attend or sign the upcoming Oslo treaty.

The United States, the world’s largest producer of cluster bombs, has been lobbying allies that support the treaty to create loopholes, according to several participants at the Wellington conference.

In an off-the-record briefing with journalists last month in Geneva, a senior U.S. official said that as long as states involved in conflicts use cluster bombs responsibly, their use shouldn’t be banned, according to the Reuters news agency.

Despite opposition, Cluster Munition Coalition officials say the treaty has built unstoppable momentum and will be signed by more than 82 countries in Oslo.

--

Well it's nice to know that not only does Clinton support neo-conservative foreign policy, she also shares the same position on cluster bombs with Russia and China. Seriously, how are Dems voting for this woman?

[Umbram]

113. Yep, that's the freedom that the freedommeister is dishing out. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

114. Oh my God. She will never be my President, even if she's somehow elected. Never.

[Major Hogwash]

115. If not "free" in this world, then in the next. Heard it before Hillary "warmonger" Clinton.

Stick that in your ear!

[anigbrowl]

117. Way to channel George Bush, Hillary

I don't believe this shit.

[catgirl]

118. You may want to add Hillary's picture to your gallery

She voted for the gift of death and destruction. Why don't her supporters see this? And
for her to make these kinds of comments should be the red flag.

[JVS]

120. Like brown people everywhere they need to be reminded of the need to be grateful

:sarcasm:

[Jed Dilligan]

122. Okay, that's a new low.

I thought I'd seen it all, but that's a new low altogether.

[Umbram]

126. She's trying to push the boundaries of tastelessness. (nt)

[The Blue Flower]

124. Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

nt

[bvar22]

127. !

[MrSlayer]

128. I'm going to vomit.

She's channeling the fucking Chimp for fuck's sake. What a disgusting comment.

[ClayZ]

129. .

:puke:

[gmudem]

130. Clinton supporters can't even come to this thread

and try to defend this bullshit. Does she have the same speechwriter as Cheney or something? WTF??

[Umbram]

138. I'm actually surprised. Usually they'll defend anything. (nt)

[arewenotdemo]

131. She is as pathetic as any Repuke in pandering to the worst instincts of Americans.

And she's been pushing this particular meme for some time.

[jgraz]

132. More obscene than Rev. Wright could ever hope to be

Someone please get this disgusting woman off the national stage.

[WillyT]

136. Great Point !!!

:yourock:

[Scurrilous]

137. Amen.

:thumbsup:

[Umbram]

165. That's the truth. (nt)

[last1standing]

133. "And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for..."

"...with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America."

This may be the most offensive line in her speech. What right did we have to bring this "gift" to the Iraqis? They didn't ask for it and they don't want it now. All the American blood in the world and all the debt we can build up with China to dump in Iraq will not make it worth the life of a single Iraqi who had his land invaded, his possessions removed and his family splintered. If Clinton doesn't know this, or is not willing to say it, then she has no place in the Senate let alone the Presidency.

God! I'm sick of these neo-cons!

[kryckis]

140. I was thinking,,,

more like it was paid for with the blood and sacrifice of 1 million and more Iraqis. WTF? The US troops didn't just go there and die in a vacuum, they took innocent men, women and children with them. Not to mention what Iraq looks like these days.

What a fucking "precious gift".

I can't believe this tripe is coming from a democrat.

[theredpen]

134. I hope the kept the gift receipt

[dailykoff]

139. Right, and as soon her "al qaeda" pals blow up the Sears Tower

and get that asbestos liability off the books she can conquer Iran.

[WillyT]

141. Kick !!!

:kick:

[Umbram]

142. Meanwhile she is lying about Obama's stance on this issue (nt)

[Lerkfish]

157. apparently.

[sudopod]

143. We are going to free the SHIT out of you! nt

[meow mix]

144. sounds like Zellary WarVote Clieberton.. is at it again

:puke:

[rodeodance]

146. Yes, the Iraqi now have Freedom--it is up to them to resolves their polical differences.

[Major Hogwash]

149. Been there lately, have ya?

I guess it depends on what the definition of "freedom" is, huh?

Sort of like what the definition of "is" is.

They are free to get killed, and that's about it.

How many Iraqis were "free" to leave the country? 1 million? 2 million? more?

[rodeodance]

150. I know conditions are bleak. Don't lecture me.

[Major Hogwash]

153. That's an invitation to a dance.

Lecturing you is a waste of my time.

[Lerkfish]

156. says the person who just lectured someone

:shrug:

[Umbram]

162. Do a search for that poster and the word lecture

Pretty much unless you are part of her echo chamber than you are "lecturing."

Go figure.

[Whisp]

152. OK, IT'S OFFICIAL, I FUCKING HATE THIS HILLARY CLOWN.

there, I said it.

[Recursion]

206. I don't hate her. I just feel ill, and dirty.

I was one of the pair of boots she thinks gave the Iraqi's a "wonderful gift". I had enough trouble looking myself in the mirror before I read this.

[Umbram]

212. Ditto. (nt)

[Cha]

154. You helped set in motion the bombing of a country,

illegally, hilary, and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and American Soldiers with your callous disregard for human life.

Not to mention the TERRORISTS you've unleashed on the world because you wouldn't or couldn't read the 90 page NIE report.

Obama knew better than you and the bushits what would happen and your little Orwellian words aren't going to bring those people back to life or give them their limbs back.

[JBoy]

158. Paid for with US blood and treasure?

[thoughtcrime1984]

160. "We also must make clear to the Iranians- your gift is coming!"

neoCON

[Raven]

163. I thought this was a GWB quote, I really did! When I was scanning down the

title lines, I saw this and went on to other threads thinking that this was George lecturing us and the troops and the Iraquis about how lucky we all are to be in this war. When I went back I was honestly surprised to see that Senator Clinton had said this. Let me just say this about that: ABUSE, MURDER, VIOLENCE, AGGRESSION, PROFITEERING, DESTRUCTION AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN THE NAME OF "DEMOCRACY" DEFILES DEMOCRACY AND IS NOT A GIFT...IT IS A PLAGUE.

[Unbowed]

168. What the...

:wtf:

Why didn't she just run for the Repuke nomination?

[Umbram]

169. Don't worry, she'll be on their ticket as VP. (nt)

[Unbowed]

188. I wouldn't doubt it!

:eyes:

[Umbram]

170. Horrible picture just popped into my head

Clinton wearing blue warpaint riding back and forth out front of the Iraqis on a Segway desperately trying to convince them that she'd done them all a favor and they should fight for their freedom.

I know...too much coffee.

[ORDem]

171. Are you sure that was a Democrat who said this?

:puke:

[Umbram]

173. There goes my theory...

It seemed like EVERY person who had a state's initials followed by Dem was a Clinton supporter.

[ORDem]

197. They are not REAL Dems, that's all. ;^) n/t

;)

[goodgd_yall]

175. She said words to this effect in a Town Hall meeting in Austin

I think it's a brilliant way to talk about the need to withdraw troops that will be effective in the GE campaign.

It is condescending, yes, and it's not something I would say, but nothing I would say would ever fly with the American people. People running for President have to talk BS to the American people if they want to get elected. I'm not happy with things Obama has said or that Kerry said when he was running, but taking a hard line stance is what gets elections won.

[WinkyDink]

178. I don't get a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" vibe, however.

[goodgd_yall]

183. Hmmm

I think there's a lot of wink, wink, nudge, nudge that goes on. It's not that obvious. It can't be that obvious, or else it wouldn't be believable to the people you want to believe it. Obama now is having to say things about Wright for his political survival, that I'm not so sure he really believes. Hillary does the flag-waving bit. It certainly is hard to be elected if you don't show a certain amount of old-fashioned patriotism.

[totodeinhere]

179. Those words are reason enough to oppose Clinton.

[uponit7771]

180. RIGHT!!! Who in the hell does she think she is!?!?!

[Umbram]

185. Future Empress of the world. nt

[rocktivity]

181. It's one thing to HAVE a plan within 60 days

Actually IMPLEMENTING it, whether within 60 days or not, is quite another.

:headbang:
rocknation

[NYDem Observer]

182. Hillary Clinton's Rhetoric

The gift that just keeps on giving. :-)

[BringBigDogBack]

186. you gotta be fucking kidding me.

:grr: :puke:

[BringBigDogBack]

187. McCain/Hillary 08!!!! Woot!!

Christ.

[southern_belle]

189. Give me a break! This woman is delusional. n/t

[breakaleg]

190. Whether they wanted it or not. nt

[uponit7771]

191. This thread is like Raid to roaches, Hillary supporters stay far from it

[WillyT]

192. Kick !!!

:kick:

[boppers]

194. Shoot a child in the head.

... Then declare them free.



Gee, thanks, Hillary.

[D23MIURG23]

196. Unbelievable.

Whats next? A ressurection of the "cut and run" meme?

[New Dawn]

200. Who wrote that speech for her? Paul Wolfowitz?

[Umbram]

210. She probably has her own neocon think tank. (nt)

[cliffordu]

202. Yeah, we gave them the gift of freedom,

freedom from safety
freedom from infrastructure
freedom from food
freedom from peace
freedom from health
freedom from family
freedom from water
freedom from electricity
freedom from life

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose......

[Umbram]

211. Good post! (nt)

[Eurobabe]

205. Have you seen some of the bloody pictures of that "freedom?"

:eyes:

[izzybeans]

207. So this is the sound of "freedom's march" a democratic presidential candidate sounding like

a colonial Queen.

[Recursion]

208. I feel like she just punched me in the gut. I want to vomit.

I can't fully describe it, but it makes me feel ill, really physically ill, that I was part of the military that lets her have that obscene sense of accomplishment.

I feel like she's just punched me in the gut and, while I was doubled over, stuck a knife in my back.

This is sick. This is vile. This is inhuman. I retract all complaints about the "monster" comment. This is literally monstrous. I will send money to whatever Democratic candidate challenges her for her Senate seat in 2012.

[eridani]

209. How about the "gift" of the complete destruction of their infrastructure?

Women under de facto house arrest? A million dead, and three million homeless?

[Kablooie]

213. BUSHLITE! BUSHLITE! BUSHLITE! BUSHLITE! BUSHLITE!

Freedom!? Free to be lap dogs for the oil companies.

[canuk1]

214. this is nonsense

You can not predict what Iraq will be like in January 2009. This is not a plan she can stick to. Anyone believes this is nuts. If the joint chiefs come to her and say: Your plan won't work we will lose 500 men if we follow it or they are killing kids in the streets we have to stop it. She is going to say no!!! Follow my orders. Give me a break. The media ignores when she says this because they know it is a joke. You can provide an outline of a plan, but if circumstances change on the ground you have to change the plan. She is lying about this.