ABC's The Note points out the obvious regarding Obama's delegate lead. When will others follow?

[flpoljunkie]

3. The question that the Democratic Party really doesn't want asked (now that the party's dirty big secret is out -- that votes and voters don't matter, not necessarily): Are the superdelegates willing to overturn the will of the people?

(And how do they judge that will, exactly?)

Whether or not his weekend laundry airing left Obama, D-Ill., with new bills to pay -- and regardless of whether Clinton can wine or dine her way to any more super-support -- the race's fundamentals are the same (if not enhanced by those unpredictable Iowans): Obama now leads by 129 delegates, per ABC's count, and he will still be leading (probably by a significant margin) whenever the voting ends.

(Close your eyes and imagine what Camp Clinton would be saying if Clinton had an edge anywhere near that level by the time we started filling out brackets.)

Only one candidate is the beneficiary of these comments, made unequivocally by a savvy politician whose voice may matter: "If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic Party," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1

[Umbram]

1. If Clinton were ahead, ALL of the rhetoric on both sides would be swapped. (nt)

[NYCGirl]

2. If Clinton were ahead by the same margin, Obama would no longer be running.

[Connie_Corleone]

10. Bingo.

[flpoljunkie]

13. Now, that's a dream ticket!

[doyourealize1]

20. and you know this how?

[jasmine621]

25. So, you admit that Obama is a "quitter?"

Dems give up much too fast...Gore, Kerry, Biden, Dodd. That's what I like about Hillary and Bill. They are trench fighters. They may lose but they will not quit until there is no chance left.

[flpoljunkie]

5. You kid! The Dem establishment supporting Hillary would be calling for Obama's head!

[justinsb]

6. I think that if Clinton were

as far ahead as Obama is now that Obama would have bowed out already and let her have it.

[flpoljunkie]

12. There is absolutely no question this would have been the case.

[City Lights]

7. If Clinton had Obama's lead, our primary would be over. eom

[blm]

11. There is no way Obama would still be running if the math wasn't there for him.

The only reason Hillary is at this point is to help McCain so the protection of BushInc is continued.

[gcomeau]

19. Oh, knock it off already.

Obama would not still be running if their positions were reversed: Agreed. He would have dropped out weeks ago if he was in Clinton's position and thrown his support behind her in the interests of a Democratic win in the general election.

"The only reason Hillary is at this point is to help McCain..." : Silly and petty. Saying things like this is not helping anyone but the Republicans by driving the wedge in deeper. What exactly is your objective in making these remarks, to try to make sure as many Clinton supporters as possible do NOT vote for Obama after he's nominated by pissing them off as much as possible? Because I can't see anything else remarks like this could accomplish. Clinton may be letting her ego get in the way of her rationality, and it is causing damage to the Democratic chances in the general election, but that's a far cry from active collusion with the Republicans. And don't bother saying "She endorsed McCain!" So she said something positive about the guy, big deal.

[blm]

24. Baloney - Clintons undermined both Gore and Kerry campaigns and would do so again

You are living in denial if you think TeamClinton wasn't helping BushInc.

April2004 from historian Douglas Brinkley:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill's 3 week DefenseofBushonIraq high profile book tour in 2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville's sabotage of Ohio Dem voters on election night:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Hillary - no newbie to backstabbing herself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Clintons - protecting BushInc from Day One:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Binka]

3. Bring Out The Fork.....The REALLY Big One n/t

[thevoiceofreason]

4. The lead keeps growing

And it's going to get stronger.

[Yurovsky]

8. If you can't get more votes/delegates, take your ppponent out ...

by any means necessary. That is clearly the Clinton strategy.

The thing she doesn't realize is that the "prize" (the nomination) won't be worth having if she has to steal it. Gramps will kick her ass due to low voter turnout among African Americans and 1st time youth voters.

[Connie_Corleone]

9. Obama would've been out of the race March 1st.

No way would Obama still be in the race after losing 11 straight contests. The Party would've talked him into getting out.

[flpoljunkie]

14. Absolutely!

[txaslftist]

15. Clinton isn't in it to win it.

She's in it to break Obama and hand the presidency to McCain.

So she can run on "I told you so" in 2012.

Of course, she'll get her ass handed to her, but I don't think she sees that.

[flpoljunkie]

17. Hillary evidently really believes what she said to Katie Couric, "It will be me!"

[txaslftist]

16. dupe

[stillcool]

18. Pennsylvania is the new fire wall.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. what good is a fire wall when the rest of the house has already burnt down?

She can't catch up

If a majority of SDs agree that overturning the results of the elections/caucuses then it is over.

[stillcool]

22. I think it's part of the...

scorched earth strategy. If she doesn't get her way she just starts another fire.

[mmonk]

23. Let me know.

Everyone wants a fight anyway it seems. But yeah, the math says he will lead in delegates and won't relinquish it unless through superdelegate movement against the grain.