Endless Repeats of 20 Seconds of Wright = the Dean Scream

[Stephanie]

This is exactly what was done to Dean, only this time it isn't even the candidate's own voice. Dean should call for an end to this outrageous media manipulation.

[Tarc]

1. It is the man's own words, and Obama is guilty by association

20 years spent in that hate-filled church and he never uttered a peep...UNTIL it became politically inconvenient to have Wright flying along on the campaign jet.

:thumbsdown:

[KittyWampus]

15. you have a serious problem.

[MNDemNY]

26. No, Obama's campaign has a serious problem.

[elixir]

51. I think it's you, the Obama supporter, who has the problem. You better get busy.

[Emit]

16. Comments like that are ignorant. Educate yourself, please

"hate-filled church"? You are perpetuating fear and prejudice through such ignorance.

edit spelling

[Tarc]

23. We go by what the bigot has said himself

If you stand by such ignorant words, then you're really no better than he is.

[Umbram]

32. Funny, that's the same way I judge you. (nt)

[dchill]

46. Going with you on that! n/t

[Emit]

33. And as I wrote, comments like that are ignorant, and perpetuate fear and prejudice.

You add nothing to the discussion on DU by repeating Hannity and Boortz, et al.

[Tarc]

37. You add nothing by your witless and gutless defense of the indefensible

have another cup, kid;



you're running low.

[elixir]

53. Tarc's absolutely spot on. It's a hate filled church w/out a message of hope OR change.

[CreekDog]

17. Newsweek and Chicago Tribune investigated the church and said it was not racist

what you say to that? did you spend more time investigating that church than they did?

[Tarc]

24. Ahh yes, and the media is omnipotent, its word is law

I'd ask you to try thinking for yourself for a change. But then I remember that you're an Obama supporters, and that'd be like asking a dog to read the Times.

[CreekDog]

25. by that logic, you believe Iraq had WMD's versus all the experts that said they didn't

is that your approach to veracity?

[Tarc]

38. How you can make such a logically flawed comparison is beyond me

You claim that since the media concludes the church and its pastor are not racist, then that is what we should accept.

I point out the idiocy of such an assertion.

[CreekDog]

39. not exactly

i said what should you accept without more information? your conclusion based on very little evidence or two publications conclusions based on more evidence?

all things being equal, i go with what they say.

however, if there is more evidence to support your side i can change my mind but there is not thus far.

[MNDemNY]

28. so, are you saying Obama should embrace Wright's statements?

[CreekDog]

40. i never said that

why would you ask me if i'm saying something that i did not say?

[dchill]

50. He probably can't "embrace Wright's statements"...

but I do.

[stillcool]

19. They were Dean's own words...

and you have no idea who Reverend Wright is, or what he has been preaching for the last 20 years. You have no idea, nor do you care, about this man's work though-out his lifetime. And what is worse you choose, to demean and condemn not one, but two human beings on the basis of a sound byte. Whatever it takes, eh?

[backscatter712]

36. Turn your dogwhistle up a few octaves.

Because I can still hear the racism, you bigoted twit.

[elixir]

49. Once again, Tarc nails it. This won't wash. Obama is addressing this after the injury.

[chelsea0011]

2. Yes!!!!!!! Nice comparison. Falwell and Robertson have never been outrageous.

[NewJeffCT]

22. Or, how about Hagee? Didn't he say the Pope was the Antichrist?

or something like that? That'll go over well with Catholics, no?

This was a guy that McCain invited to be on stage with him. It's a lot different than attending a sermon by somebody that said something controversial.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. Did Hagee host events for McCain?

As McClurkin did for Obama, by Obama's personal request?
And more importantly, are our ethics now set by the GOP bar? If they can gay bait, so can we, is that it? If they have Fundies we get some too?
All the preachers making problems make me think of that verse from that book, ummm, the Bible, that says we judge a tree by the fruit it bears. Evil trees grow division.
Are we still glad to have brought 'Faith and Family' and religious based minority baiting into the Party to win SC?
I'd love to have lunch with Jerimiah, I understand his lexicon and what he means. McClurkin and Caldwell are another matter. Obama just seems to disagree with them all, while paying for them to say what they say, just as he is against Iraq but keeps funding it.

Here is yet another chance for Obama to grow a pair of Democratic balls and build a big wall between his campaign and policy and his own religious dogmas and affiliations. He should have done it when McClurkin did his pander act. He should have rejected him, his message, and promised no future events as candidate or as President would allow for the slander or holding up for blame of any minority group, under any circumstances. But in fact he refused to do so. Now he owns the Preachers, whicn is sad really. He refused to flatly reject those who ridicule GLBT people and remove them from the campaign.

[Ravy]

45. And if someone from Falwell's church... someone who attended for 17 years

and considered Falwell their spiritual advisor..

If *that* person was running for president, would you think that Falwell's words bear no reflection on that candidate?

[chelsea0011]

55. Well, Fallwell and Robertson have been standing hand and hand next to Republicans

for years and I haven't seen the kind of attacks Obama's been getting the last few days. Everytime we saw those guys make bigoted, hate-filled statements, I didn't see the media ask any Republican to denounce them. But anytime they need them there they are right next to them.

[Ravy]

57. It is different when a pastor endorses a candidate.

By attending and contributing to a particular pastor, it is really the candidate giving somewhat of an endorsement to the pastor. Failing to recognize this and to brush it off is a mistake.

Clearly, if someone supports a particular candidate, you do not have to agree with every one of the candidate's opinions. The same goes for pastors. You do not have to agree with every thing the pastor says, as well. It is just beyond my comprehension that if you disagree with the pastor a lot, that you don't find a new church more closely aligned with your personal beliefs.

And, it is different when you are born in a church and have to go because your parents do, than when you are an adult and choose which one of hundreds of churches you could attend. I say this because of the people that say "I was raised as Catholic, but that doesn't mean I believe...." They are similarly arguing disingenously, IMHO.

[MojoMojoMojo]

3. Dean should let out another rebel yell.That will sut up the media YEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[JimGinPA]

4. Most People Are Smart Enough To Notice It's Not Obama Saying Those Things

I don't see this hurting Barack as much as some in the M$M are hoping.

[dchill]

54. Not to mention that despite his overblown rhetoric...

Rev. Wright is basically right, and well within his rights to say what he said. He is certainly not a racist.

[rainy]

5. The media are so lazy on this. Why don't they go and investigate Bush's

preacher, or the preacher that just endorsed McCain, or that reverend Moon guy that invites republicans to his freaky rituals? This is so pitiful and all we can do is watch in wonder and weep at the injustice because the machine is too big for the few of us to defeat. But, hey, we won't stop trying.

[AndyTiedye]

11. You Might as Well Ask Who Owns the News

It's not laziness.

[Zueda]

6. Only this time the victim has already sewn-up the nomination. ;)

[AndyTiedye]

12. Which is Why It is Happening Now. Can You Say "President McCain"?

[Yurovsky]

14. I think Hillary would rather McCain win than Obama...

her actions certainly support my belief.

[Stephanie]

34. She's made that very clear. Hillary is for Hillary, not us.

She could give a shit about the state of the nation, it's all about her ambition.

[NJSecularist]

7. Dean's numbers tanked after that incident.

Obama's numbers stay steady.

[Stephanie]

8. I'm still outraged over that

His voice was hoarse, the mike was manipulated, and they managed to make him look nutty by playing that ten seconds over and over and over.

[NJSecularist]

9. The mainstream TV media is a joke.

It's a shame what they have become. Talking points and recycled sound bites beat out real news.

[npincus]

10. BINGO. Let's move on.

[redqueen]

13. Yup indeedily doodily!

It's arrived - the media has seized on Wright and is trying to make it into the "Dean scream".

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. "Dean should call for an end " Worked for Dean?

[Alhena]

20. Good- get it all out now instead of in October

[nolabels]

21. And who here didn't predict this?

We know what they were going to do better than they did. I do think they pull that M$M out of their pocket a little too quick this time though. Guess we get to watch to see how it comes out in the wash this time.

[anonymous171]

27. He needs to do something to get this off the news cycle.

As I said: We need Axlerod in an Uncle Sam outfit asking for Hillary's tax returns.

[Stephanie]

31. Just as she did to Lazio. A volunteer should just do this.

Somebody should put on the costume and ask Hillary the question, but I don't think it should be Axelrod. If I had the means I'd do it myself.

[scheming daemons]

29. The "Dean Scream" happened before he had won any delegates..... if...

..it would've happened after more than 80% of the delegates were apportioned and he had a prohibitive lead, it would not have doomed his candidacy.


Hillary needed the Wright stuff to happen in the days leading up to Feb 5th.....


...that it happened NOW does not help Hillary much.... and does not hurt Obama as much.


It's all about timing.


That's why I think it was the OBAMA campaign that wanted this to "come out" now. It's the perfect time for them....


- Too late to help Hillary for March 4
- Too early to help Hillary much for PA
- WAY too early to help McCain much


Dirty laundry WILL get out in EVERY campaign. The key to winning it to make sure it gets out at a favorable time for the candidate.... and the Obama folks are either VERY lucky or VERY good to have this come out when it did.

[cooolandrew]

30. I am sure tearing apart a man called hussain and a world wide monitored election. Discourages rich .

..arab investors. Keep it up... Saddam was different and accepted as a cruel dictatro. Just as al qeada is most likely seen as a kkk open to scorn But not a good man.

[Eurobabe]

35. It's disgusting. I've complained to MSGOP

Tweety and Scab-bro can't give it up. They are the main perpetrators of this video re-airing ad nauseum. As has CNN been guilty of.

BUT, this is NOT Obama, thankfully.

[rodeodance]

41. BO's favorable ratings continue to fall. Look at Rass. poll today.

[Stephanie]

42. Congratulations - swiftboating works

You must be very proud of Your Girl.

[rodeodance]

47. YOU can not blame Clinton for BO's poor JUDGMENT-- he is the one who choose to asssociate with Wrigh

Congratulations - swiftboating works

You must be very proud of Your Girl.

[GarbagemanLB]

43. Don't worry, it will go up as we get closer to the general now that most agree we have our nominee.

[rodeodance]

48. ha ha--get a new crystal ball. The primary season is still going.

[zulchzulu]

44. The difference is Dean did the scream...Obama is not his former pastor

I'm actually glad they keep repeating this crap because it is backfiring. People are getting tired of the media trying to link a former pastor to Obama through what I call omnipotent osmosis.

Obama is going the be the nominee, based entirely on the mathematical impossibility that Hillary Clinton can win. All Obama has to do with McCain is bring up Hagee and other wingnuts backing him that would alien Catholics, Jews, Blacks, Women and all those who would be disgusted with Hagee's message.

Obama has already talked about who Wright and he don't agree on everything and anyone who is honest knows that what a preacher says in a service doesn't mean that everyone attending agrees with everything they said.

The only people trying to keep this alive are right-slanted media puppets and the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's not going to stick with most voters.

[dchill]

56. Dean <> Wright.

Obama <> Wright.
Obama = 44