Obama Lavishing praise upon his "Advisor & Friend."

[stolidus]

Click Here to Watch the video of Sen. Obama heaping praise onto his close friend and advisor, the racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who can apparently do no wrong.

The media is currently allowing Sen. Obama to use the VERY POOR "crazy uncle" analogy in regard to Rev. Wright. How long will they allow this? When will the republican adversaries smack this rather silly analogy down with simple logic, "you do not choose family, but you CHOOSE your close friends and advisors." I am betting that the republicans are saving their energy, waiting to see if we present them with the opportunity by nominating Sen. Obama as our Pres. candidate.

This little controversy is nothing to fret over. But, if Sen. Obama finds success in the primary, then come General Election time, we dems are going to feel like we've been screwed again.

[ossman]

1. Like the Republicans dont have crazy pastors backing them. Too easy.

[stolidus]

7. This can be said of Farrakhan's relationship to Sen. Obama...

But Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a close friend and advisor. Do you understand the difference? Most people I have spoken with have pointed out the difference in a very pointed manner.

[ossman]

10. McCains spiritual ADVISOR just said that Islam is a false religion.

And the US was founded to destroy Islam. I missed that part in John Adams HBO special tonite.

"I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore."

[stolidus]

24. Yes, this extreme rhetoric is highly toxic...

dogma.

However, this vitriol is directed at *perceived* foreign ideologies and people and will not alienate the republican base and/or the independent voters being sought after by both parties.

The racism displayed by Sen. Obama's close friend and advisor will be of serious concern to those he *needs* to secure the election for POTUS.

[ossman]

26. That was 10 seconds on the google. I can find some offensive things that pass your test too.

[stolidus]

27. I seriously doubt it. If you understand...

my point, then I can not believe you really think you can find such rhetorical dogma. Perhaps you could find something spoken by a white supremacist, but I can assure you that McCain will not be in close association with anything like this at all.

This situation is unique to Sen. Obama.

[ossman]

28. So enlightened one, what would need to be said by St. McCains fundie backers that would satisfy you?

Give me an example...


Sounds like your scurred of Scary Angry Black Men over anything else that could be said.

[stolidus]

29. And so, begin the insults...

I am sorry that you feel the need to insult rather than discuss.

I believe that I clearly pointed out that you will not be able to produce an analogous "friend and advisor" associated with McCain who spouts racist vitriol that would disenfranchise part of his base and/or the independent centrist voters that both parties vie for in the general election.

Point being: Sen. Obama is a poor choice for the Democratic nominee, caucus votes notwithstanding.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Add to this the fact that the Republican Party platform advocates outlawing the birth control pill

and McCain wants to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years...

How long before the GOP's Creationist Patrol demands John McCain acknowledge that the Earth is 6,000 years old?

sorry, Jack- the people who are "out of touch" with regular Americans are the loony-tune flat-Earth fucking fundies who control the Republican Party.

[JoFerret]

33. That's vile nonsense but

....it won't lose him an election.

[leftynyc]

35. Some of us don't make

distinctions or excuses for religious freaks whether from the right or the left.

[nickn777]

39. You really are missing the point....

It's the two decades of closeness, mentorship, and guidance that Wright possessed in relation to Barack Obama. It's the questions that are raised by it. It's hard to really know exactly *how much* of this Wright crap BO bought and nodded his head in agreement to.

[ingac70]

2. "We Dems"?.. yeah ,yeah, Mr. 24 posts..n/t

[stolidus]

9. Long time lurker...this issue did indeed stir me to "speak up."

Sorry if you do not appreciate what I have to "say."

[anigbrowl]

37. Lurker from Littlegreenfootballs, more like

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29302_Video-_Obama_Lavishes_Praise_on_Rev._Jeremiah_Wright&only

[stolidus]

42. Troll? Perhaps you have been gazing in the...

mirror a little too intently?

Yes, that is it, I am sure of it.

[2rth2pwr]

3. Watch it just for the fake voice he uses! LOL. nt

[sandnsea]

4. "we dems"

:eyes:

Thank you for your concern.

[stolidus]

32. You are quite welcome.

[SunsetDreams]

5. nice try it says June 7, 2007

Have a nice day

[LulaMay]

20. Do you honestly believe that will make a difference to Rethugs who use it?

[cali]

6. um, no. If Obama can handle this now

that's a strong indication that he'll be able to handle it and other attacks in the general. If he can't, then that's good to know now.

[stolidus]

34. Is Sen. Obama "handling" this now?

I have noted a vast number of Sen. Obama supporters calling for him to publicly repudiate and forcefully distance himself from this racist Rev. Jerimiah Wright. Has he done so?

No.

I truly wonder how much "buyers remorse" will affect Sen. Obama's chances in the General Election.

My gut feeling: Strength of character, which has been demonstrably found lacking is completely incongruent with his rhetoric of hope and staunch defiance. The "warm fuzzies" many people have been feeling will begin to turn into a disturbed queazy feeling. As a matter of fact I have noted this in a few Sen. Obama supporters already.

[DerekJ]

8. look..

You can't swiftboat twice using the same issue. This was a swiftboat attempt already. And it failed. They can bring it again, but then it will be old news, comes on TV for a day then it disappears. I hope you understand that.

Now please STFU

[stolidus]

12. STFU???

I suggest you attempt some memory recall...the "swiftboat" tactic grew over time. The media is currently letting this slide...this is not a permanent situation.

And might I suggest that "STFU" probably will not work as an effective neutralization strategy.

[DerekJ]

14. I apologize.. honest

It is just that this has been posted about 4 times already. Swiftboating works only if it happens all of a sudden. Yes it can grow, but it has to grow now, it can't grow in the GE or otherwise it becomes old news, and it doesn't last. It no longer becomes swiftboating.

[stolidus]

21. I will agree in principle, but...

I would also posit that this issue is not fully analogous to the infamous swiftboat injections...

I truly believe that this DAMN race issue is going to be divisive to the point of setting our party back and as a matter of fact it may set race relations back in this country by about twenty years.

I am very concerned, and if you are not I suggest some serious contemplation of the issues here.

[DerekJ]

22. I am concerned but ..

If Obama supporters/independents/undecided ..etc were to fall for it, we will know in the next few days. If the average doesn’t change by any significant margin, then the swiftboating attempt has failed. And any attempt of reviving it in the GE will have limited effect, if not reverse effect. You can only play on the issue of race for so long before you get people revolting at you.

[Drachasor]

11. I don't see what the issue is. I watched the video, he says this:

"and then I got to give a special shout out to my pastor, the guy who...puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend... aaaand a great leader, <unintelligible> the country, so please everybody give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr"

Someone was talking over parts of it, so I didn't get everything.

[stolidus]

15. You are correct...

The video is rather tame when unhinged from the racist vitriol that Rev. Jeremiah Wright spews from the pulpit. When the two are joined, a strong case is made for the fallacious but unavoidable accusation of guilt by association.

Sen. Obama will continue to be saddled with this racist's words, and the negative feelings will grow exponentially once the republican machine begins to hammer away.

[woolldog]

16. I haven't seen Wright say anything I'd describe as "racist"

that's total BS.

[stolidus]

19. OK. I will not argue your perspective, however...

you should perhaps realize that most people find Rev. Wright to be the same extreme and analogous to a leader of the Aryan Nation -- which is a white supremacy group for those that do not know. In other words, the same words coming from a white preacher with racial undertones -- overtones for that matter -- would be counted as extreme racism.

You should at the very least attempt to understand how the majority will view the issue once it becomes fully publicized. Again, I will stress that the media really has not gone full bore with this, yet.

[Why Syzygy]

30. "the same words coming from a white preacher"

That isn't going to happen and you know it. Remember the fundies that claim 911 was about gays and abortion? Who gets closest to reality on that call?

MOST people? You know exactly what MOST people think? So you're saying that MOST people are racist?
I think the ones squalling about this the loudest are the closet racists.

There is no issue. The guy is not going to advise Obama on foreign policy. If you want to judge Obama on HIS positions, do so. Don't try to drag someone else in to justify your viewpoint.

It isn't racism. If anyone around here seems to have a problem with race, it is you.

[stolidus]

31. Yes, I have a problem with racism...

and apparently you do not. Remember, in the "Damn America" speech given by the racist Rev. Wright, the blame was placed on our country because of our Immorality in the same general fashion as the other slightly deranged pastors, but this instance has little to do with the racist viewpoint that he shares with Farrakhan and others of his racist ilk. It is the fact that the racist Rev. Wright singles out "White" people that makes him racist. It is the way he views the world and the dutiful manner in which he perpetuates racial hatred that is of concern to many. It is the fact that Sen. Obama does not have the strength of character or the required dignity to distance himself from this kind of person, and this kind of racially driven church and associated dogma.

I, and many other undecided dems, have become convinced that Sen. Obama is not the candidate to best represent us in the General Election.

[ossman]

17. Falwell, Roberts, Rod Parsley, Bob Jones... google

[Catherina]

13. "We dems"?

:rofl:

with tags like "Obama Politics Racism Scandal Wright"?

And while you're at it explain that other video there about how the Middle East is still overflowing with terrorists just waiting for an opportunity to strike America?

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ujDvxil/20070717EmersonScheuerBeck

[stolidus]

18. Let me be clear.

I did not upload the video. I happened upon the video when I typed in the words "Obama's church blames the media" or some similar string.

The video is what it is. Not mine. However, this begs the question a bit. Videos like this one, which I understand was scrubbed from you tube before it was uploaded at this site, will be everywhere eventually.

[ingac70]

23. Begging the question is a type of logical fallacy...

Rush Limbaugh does that shit alot.

[stolidus]

25. Agreed.

I was using the the term as a common expression, meaning that the core issue is not being addressed.

[anigbrowl]

36. Interesting that you have an almost identical headline to littlegreenfootballs.com ...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29302_Video-_Obama_Lavishes_Praise_on_Rev._Jeremiah_Wright&only

Troll much?

[stolidus]

40. I do not...

appreciate the accusation. I have not behaved as a troll would behave, so I have no idea from whence your suspicion derives.

I have simply stumbled upon an obscure blog yesterday on the fact that you tube scrubbed the clip of Sen. Obama public acknowledging his affinity and close personal relationship with the racist Rev. Jerimiah Wright.

The blog I happened upon was not "little green footballs" and I had no knowledge of this blog headline prior to your post directing me there.

A coincidence spurred by the appropriate words describing Sen. Obama's actions in the video. "Lavish" is a word that came from my own personal lexicon based on the context, sorry. So, you are correct that I found the source from a blog yesterday and did indeed feel it timely, & noteworthy.

Hope you enjoy my comments attached to this thread. Troll indeed. :-/

[bunnies]

41. Speaking of chosen friends. How'd ya like to chat about Billy Graham?

Oh. He's white. And he's the Clintons pal. Nevermind. :eyes:

[stolidus]

43. You believe that...

Rev. Billy Graham is a racist? How did you come to that conclusion? Pray tell? No Graham fan here...simply would like to know how you lump Graham in with the racist Rev. Jerimiah Wright? Now you might be able to find some White Supremacist Reverend that is comparable to the racist Rev. Jerimiah Wright, but you won't be able to tie them to Sen. Clinton, or Sen. McCain for that matter.

[bunnies]

50. I see no need to have a conversation with you...

since you do such a good job at putting your own words in my mouth.


oh but what the hell: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/03/our_friends_and_their_views.html
happy reading.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

44. looking forward to your next post. milestone post #42.

[stolidus]

46. Hmmm...

This seems to be a recurring concern here. Eventually, I will have (1000+) next to my moniker. At this point will you be comfortable judging my words by the inherent merit rather than by some logical fallacy associated with the number of my posts?

Nevertheless...

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

54. it's just that you'd be better at hiding your freeperity after 1000 posts

I'm sure you'll figure it our as you go, though. This one was just too obvious.

[PerfectSage]

45. Yeah you'll be feeling screwed again when McCain loses in November

[stolidus]

47. Your insinuation demonstrates the

irony of your moniker.

[PerfectSage]

48. So if it walks like a Rove smerar and talks like a rove smear?

Is it a Rove smear? Let's watch several hundred hours of Wright's sermons. Pick a couple minutes of footage. Splash it on the news... ...I'm not stupid enough to fall for it.

Your post demonstrates the sincerity of your "concern" about Obama.

[stolidus]

49. I will take the comparison as a...

compliment. Rove is a *brilliant* political mastermind. He has proven himself by putting a chimpanzee in the White House for eight years.

However, I am in no way affiliated with any specific campaign dem or repub. I am an independent liberal.

Yes, I am very concerned that Sen. Obama can not follow through to become POTUS. That means that Sen. McCain will be POTUS. I have a serious problem with that. :-/

Now, to your point: The fact that the racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright does not spew bigoted vitriol on a constant 24/7 schedule does not negate his strongly held convictions and his racist view of the world.

If I cared to give them any public exposure -- which I have no desire to do -- I could easily find a White supremacist Reverend that has made many touching sermons on Sunday. And,...so what? This somehow redeems the man? No.

The word "Black" or "White" precedes almost every human precept in the racist Rev. Jerimiah Wright's dogma. He is a racist, pure and simple. Further, Sen. Obama chose, for 20 years, to have him as a close personal friend and advisor.

[PerfectSage]

55. So if I cherry picked the most hateful things you've said in your life...

...how hard would it be for me to prove you're a hateful person?

What is the difference between anger and hate? What's the difference between hate and racism? What's the differnece between thinking and thinking deeply? So is Wright a racist?

If your really so concerned, I suggest you ask Ken Starr to offer Reverend Wright immunity from prosecution in return for testimony revealing all the hateful things he's every said in his life.

Don't worry soon Obama will protect you from McCain for 4 years. So go back to sleep, for four years.

[VotesForWomen]

51. you can believe if O gets the nomination, this story will come back with a vengence. nt

[Eurobabe]

52. Which reincarnated TROLL are you? 44 posts, no profile?

ALERT MODS.

[Kukesa]

53. Different day; different name. I'm sick of 'em, too. n/t

[stolidus]

56. I am sure the MODS can see...

by my behaviour and by my ip address that I am not a troll, nor am I a reincarnated troll.

Apparently more words and this video do indeed strike at the heart of the matter because many of you have resorted to using some sad and weak logical fallacy -- related to the number of my posts -- as response to the reasonable point of view I have presented from a *liberal* perspective.

Sen. Obama's team turned this into a "race issue" and now he is going to have to deal with it. Unfortunately, liberals will be to blame for allowing this debate to set race relations back two decades...we should have perceived this issue before it ever surfaced and dealt with it by passing on Sen. Obama from the beginning.

Now, we have a situation that can not simply disappear by overwhelming liberal support...

Sen. Obama is now going to have to give a speech on race relations. I, and millions of other liberals, will be on "pins and needles" before during and after...this can not bode well for our party...although I consider myself a non-affiliated independent liberal...I obviously vote consistently with the dem party ticket. So, I do feel a strong "tribal" affiliation with dems and hence why I usually include myself in the "us" statements presented.

[Eurobabe]

57. Well, WE can't see it and that's what counts

So why DO you hide your profile?

You are spouting nothing but RW trash. Congratulations, hope you like President McCain. I don't give a fuck, because I don't live in the US.

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

58. PLOP!