I Can't Ever Run For Office!

[slinkerwink]

It just hit me while I was sitting in my Mass today listening to my priest talk about Palm Sunday. He's an old man, and this is his last year in the pulpit before he retires. There was a very scathing voice where he mentioned that part about how Jews killed Jesus, and he got angry during that part. I hope there wasn't a videotape of that, because if it appeared, I can't ever run for office because my priest talks that way during Mass once a year. He's also talked about the evils of homosexuality, abortion, and how bad contraception is. The new priest doesn't talk that way, which is why I'm glad he'll be taking over soon. I love my church mainly because of the great social work it does---once a month, I help out at the food bank, and volunteer for the bake sale to help medical missions. The community is also great, and we're all mostly Democrats, so it doesn't bother us what our priest says since he's old and about to retire.

Does this mean I can't run for office or that no one else in the congregation can run for office because of what their priest says?

[slinkerwink]

1. hmm?

[LisaL]

8. I don't know if anyone in your congregation can run for office,

but looks like there gonna be a lot of you, since your priest doesn't support neither abortions nor contraception.

[slinkerwink]

13. I know most of us use contraception because the average family size is 4

[babylonsister]

22. No, after two kids you stop needing it.

I kid! :hide: ;)

[slinkerwink]

29. haha, or after the "snip"

[LordJFT]

51. you "kid"? so after two kids they start popping out so easily that kid becomes a verb?

:hide:

[Johnny__Motown]

2. Romans killed Jesus, not Jews..... sorry

[slinkerwink]

4. not in Matthews

Pontius Pilate asked the crowd who to release, Barrabas or Jesus. I think they went for Barrabas instead of Jesus.

[Johnny__Motown]

15. Pontius Pilate was a Roman, the soldiers were Roman. the crowd didn't kill Jesus

Even if you do believe the "Passion Play" account.

I think it also talks about people being payed to move among the crowd and incite them against Jesus.

(not that I have read it lately)

[slinkerwink]

17. the Matthews account I read said that the crowd

wanted Jesus to be crucified, so it's in the Bible. They had the choice of choosing either Barrabas or Jesus to be released, but they went with Barrabas and cried out for Jesus to be crucified instead.

[bhikkhu]

32. Recommend "Constantine's Sword" for the spin on that

It seems when Christianity was adopted as the official Roman religion, and the Bible as we know it was assembled and edited, there was that awkward bit about the Romans themselves having killed the Messiah...to their credit they seem to not so much rewrote the texts as "spun" the interpretation (and literacy was in steep decline anyway). The blame went squarely against the Jews, and the pattern was set that has lasted to this day.

[Johnny__Motown]

36. Aye, pretty hard for the Roman Catholic Church to admit Romans killed Christ

[Johnny__Motown]

35. 2 points, It was still Romans that killed him ... and

In the Book of Matthews...27:20 King James Version


But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

Not that the priests and elders were not Jews, but still it was Romans that killed the man no matter what rationalization you try to put forward

http://bible.christianity.com/mybst/default.aspx?type=bible&translation=KJV&bookcode=mt&bookname=Matthew&chapterid=27&verseid=2



Also we are a bit off topic

[struggle4progress]

39. Matthew 27:27ff

Then the soldiers of the governor .. stripped off his clothes .. spat upon him .. and led him off to crucify him ... Jesus cried out again in a loud voice ... The centurion and the men with him who were keeping watch over Jesus feared greatly ...

Matthew thus attributes the crucifixion itself to the soldiers serving the Roman governor Pontius Pilate and has a Roman centurian in charge at the execution site

[unblock]

21. in fact, romans killed ... A JEW (jesus)

this is the most disgustingly bigotted part of the ongoing christianity mythos.
romans killed a jew, and by the was jesus was far from the only jew they killed.

paul created this anti-jewish crap in order to differentiate the new christian sect from its parent religion, judaism.
it was a crude tactic at the time, and may have had some cynical utility in encouraging membership. but it has long since past any usefulness and it's now only some misguided hate.

[better tomorrow]

42. Amen....Hallelujah.....it WAS the Romans after all.....

Glad my priest married my Catholic daughter to her Jewish husband in the Cathedral where we worship....and let them do a Jewish blessing over the Wine. Some people have open minds and hearts.

Run for office after all. We'll cover your back....

[whopis01]

52. Here is one thing that I never understood about this whole argument;

Wasn't it necessary in the grand scheme of things that Jesus be killed? Wasn't the whole point of him being here so that he could die for our sins, etc. ?

Doesn't the whole foundation of Christianity require that he be sacrificed like that?

I'm not saying that the should celebrate the individuals who killed him, but as a Christian it seems that you would realize that you have benefited and are better off because of his death and his sacrifice.

[unblock]

54. very logical. but sadly, logic never stood in the way of a good hate

[tammywammy]

3. recommended

;)

[slinkerwink]

6. thanks!

[Cant trust em]

5. My career is even more in the toilet.

I don't even go to church. I'd just be another heathen pagan communist.

[slinkerwink]

9. there you go! you're unqualified for elected office!

[Cant trust em]

45. Funnily enough, no one ever needed to be qualified to have a political career.

I'd be a great politician, but I'd just be another latte sipping, sushi-eating, communist intellectual to the NASCAR dads and evangelist soccer mom's.

Hey, I like watching football on Sundays and eating greasy foods like your average Joe. Vote for cholesterol!

[Hutzpa]

7. What, your Pastor talked about hate

and killing Jesus, you're toast, no more latte for you.

[slinkerwink]

11. I know. I'm so sad. At least Hay-soos gets to rise again next week.

[KAZ]

10. A big Rec from me!

[slinkerwink]

12. thanks!

[faithfulcitizen]

14. Me neither! My church today played a Toby Keith Song in the middle of the sermon on Palm Sunday.

:puke: wouldn't play well I fear... ;)

nice post! :thumbsup:

[slinkerwink]

19. ewww.....Toby Keith? I'm sorry you had to listen to that.

[yardwork]

16. I've got you beat ever which way, slinkerwink!

I'm one of those queer people that your priest rails against. Imagine a lesbian running for president of the United States? We'll never be ready for that in my lifetime.

Spain has an openly lesbian Vice President. But then, their President is Socialist, so what can you expect?

yardwork - the pagan socialist lesbian vegetarian

[slinkerwink]

18. I didn't know that about Spain. That's awesome!

[yardwork]

23. Isn't it great? And to think that Spain was under a dictatorship not too long ago.

Countries can improve! That give me hope for the U.S.

Going back to your OP - great post! There are a lot of people sitting in pews every Sunday listening to folks say much worse things than anything Reverend Wright said. Actually, I agree with a lot of the things that Wright said.

[KAZ]

30. We'll be able to Yardwork. In our lifetime! Things are moving fast.

NOt fast enough for me, but just watch what happens in the next 10 years. The torch is being passed, and we're burning it far brighter.

[yardwork]

37. That's a wonderful attitude, KAZ! I am inspired by the young people.

My teenage sons are far, far more enlightened than I was at their age, and so are their peers, from what I can tell.

Maybe these awful years have been the last gasp of a dying way of thinking in this country. Maybe so.

[struggle4progress]

43. You may be right, yw, but traditionally wingnut Dallas County in Texas

elected an openly lesbian Hispanic woman sheriff in 2006

That's in the heat-crazed heart of Southern Baptist Convention territory, the source of many a Swiftboat dollar, where Cheney really lives and Bush says he'd like to retire: I remember hearing folk there shriek in rage that Tricky Dick Nixon was a scumbag commie liberal

Perhaps the times are achangin

[yardwork]

48. There's good news all over!

An openly gay man is running for senator of North Carolina, against Elizabeth Dole. We shall see.

[struggle4progress]

53. I've already slapped a Neal sticker on my car

[Martin Eden]

20. I can't either.

It's bound to come out that I did drugs in my youth, that my aunt who helped raise me was in the communist party before I was born, and that the only times I've attended church were at weddings.

[wileedog]

Yep - I inhaled... nt

[yardwork]

38. Oh yeah, the drugs. I forgot to mention that.

I don't even want to think about the embarrassing photos that would surface if I ever ran for office.

[struggle4progress]

44. Dear Decider, of course, shoved coke up his nose faster than almost anyone you'll ever meet

[yardwork]

49. He was born with a silver coke spoon up his nose.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Sure you can

as long as your idiot priest isn't your "mentor" and you don't develop a 20 year relationship with him.

[rug]

25. The Catholic Church opposes homosexuality, abortion and contraception. Why do you stay?

Is it the bake sale?

[slinkerwink]

that's the official position of the Church

There are other parts of the church I like, like the Jesuit priests, and the new priest is a Jesuit priest with a different theological mindset. I know the Pope hates abortion, doesn't like teh gay germs, and doesn't want us to wear condoms or whatnot, but I don't care, and neither do most American Catholics.

[rug]

33. This is why your analogy doesn't work.

Any priest in that pulpit has sworn to present that position. And most likely does if you either listen or ask. It's not the Pope who hates abortion, it is Catholic doctrine.

I don't understand why people belong to things they don't believe in.

[rockymountaindem]

26. They're *still* talking about that???

Great :eyes:

[slinkerwink]

27. Hillary supporters and CNN

[rockymountaindem]

34. I mean deicide n/t

[babylonsister]

28. No hypocrisy there, huh. But OTOH,

why would you want to run for office? :evilgrin:

Yes, you are not your priest, and vice versa. You might not think like him, but you embrace the positive, and there's a lot. He could even be your friend. I don't know why that is so hard to comprehend for some.

[slinkerwink]

31. I like him even though he gets crazy every once in a while

He's a very generous old man.

[misanthrope]

40. I thought you were going to say...

...because your IQ is too high or you have too much self-esteem.

[anonymous171]

41. I can see the DU posts now:

"Such blatant anti-semitism! Why didn't slinkerwink leave the church!"
"This will sink slinkerwink."
and finally
"Slinkerwink hates America."

[slinkerwink]

46. hahaha......man

[Scurrilous]

47. K & R

:thumbsup:

[JVS]

50. Did he do any gyrating?

If not, I think you might sill have a chance.

[Tyler Durden]

55. I have a question for you.

Does the candidate that you support plan, as chief executive, to defend, protect, and execute the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution as the Oath of Office will require?

For reference, Here is The 14th Amendment, Section 1:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

This apparently does not have any exclusions, such as "This does not apply to atheists, Muslims, the mental or physically challenged, or male/female homosexuals, bisexuals, transexuals or transgendered persons," and does not let states off the hook.

So, seeing as a failure now or in the future to support the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, fully and without reservation, will violate US law and the Presidential Oath of Office, does the candidate that you prefer support the 14th Amendment, and if they do not, do you support their immediate impeachment once they take the Oath of Office as the law demands?

[demokatgurrl]

56. I can relate, in a way- as an atheist

I could never get elected dog catcher in this country. It pisses me off to no end that a candidate has to prove his/her Christian bona fides. What happened to separation of state and church? It's on the way out, I fear.