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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:04 PM
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I am a Kucinich man who is now on the Kerry bandwagon because...
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 01:16 PM by tedthebear
...of the recent Bush/Cheney attacks on Kerry's military record! The hypocrisy of these chicken hawks is unbelievable and I will be livid if they get away with it.

Mr. Kerry, I hope you turn up the heat on these two regarding THEIR failure to serve in Viet-nam while you were winning purple hearts and bronze stars. So the fuck what that you were anti-war at the time and tossed your medals. At least you EARNED those fucking things as opposed to chicken hawk criminals Bush/Cheney who were cowards by comparison.

Please Kerry! You must go for their jugulars and exhibit NO mercy. This is the one issue where their hypocrisy is SO obvious no one can miss it. You need to keep hounding them on a daily basis about their refusal to serve in Viet-nam while YOU risked your life there. You are a real honest to god WAR HERO so please defend yourself against these chicken hawk shit bags!

P.S. Now is when Clark needs to come out and hit Bush/Cheney hard over their hypocrisy. Please General, do it! You owe it to your fellow soldier.

:mad:

P.P.S. This is also an obvious issue of character. When it comes to trust, do Americans want to support hypocritical cowards or a true war hero who risked his life even when he was against the war. The answer should be obvious.
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:15 PM
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1. good for you, we have no choice but to win AND take back the
White House.
3 words-
Supreme Court Appointments!

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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:22 PM
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2. Kerry is too conservative for me when it comes to foreign policy...
...and free trade, but this RNC attack on Kerry is a clear, glaring example of good (Kerry) against evil (Cheney). The willful hypocrisy of these slimy cowards is un-fucking-believable.

:mad:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:33 PM
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3. After Kerry did his duty and found out that it was an unjust war just like
Iraq, he protested. I think that also makes him a hero.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:40 PM
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4. I too voted for Kucinich...
...I fell in line for Kerry after Edwards dropped out. It was clear at that point who the nominee was going to be. I now have the ability to tell my children I voted for Kucinich but don't have to tell them of the horrors of a second bush term. Anybody who is still questioning Kerry on this forum should get in line too. Like you, Kerry wasn't my first choice but he is the only choice compared to bush. Keep your idealism, I have kept mine, but dammit do the right thing and support Kerry publicly and in this forum and vote for him in November. To steal a bush quote, "If you're not with us, you're against us!"
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:19 PM
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8. I will continue to play the devil's advocate at DU but...
...for now on there's a 95% chance my vote will go to Kerry in November (of course if it's on a Diebold machine my vote won't even matter).

I will continue pulling at Kerry from the left, but I will also do my best to help kick Bush*Cheney in the ass. So you Kerry devotees here, don't flame me so much when I attack his policies on Iraq and free trade. When push comes to shove, I will vote for him over that coward/hypocrite Bush.

:kick:
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:28 PM
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9. 95%??????
Who the hell has the other 5% chance of getting your vote? Lets get Kerry in office then pull on him all you want. How responsive do you think * has been to your pulling? Quit the "I'm further to the left of you crap!" Nobody is further to the left of me!!!!! But I see reality and know that at the moment it is not the time to pontificate from an ivory tower. Support Kerry and vote for Kerry! It may be the last time you see two candidates on the ballot.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:39 PM
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10. Relax.
The 5% would only be if Bush dropped The Bomb on Baghdad and Kerry supported it. Or if he said it was OK for Bush to put queers in concentration camps. Something like that and I don't think those things will happen.

:bounce:
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:50 PM
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11. And you're leaving your options open in case that happens?
:eyes:
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:21 AM
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15. Of course.
You never know.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:54 PM
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13. Jordan Trade Agreement
It contains language where each country commits to labor and environmental laws. What do you think of the Jordan Trade Agreement? That is the kind of trade agreement Kerry has consistently fought for, even though Congress hasn't passed the amendments.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:40 PM
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5. Great Post!
I'm also going to vote for Kerry this year-- and your reasons for jumping on the Kerry bandwagon are part of my reasons too!

Kerry can go to town on the chickenhawks in power. I simply can't believe that the Repubs are stupid enough to even use this as an issue, given the overall paucity of military service by the current crop of chickenhawks in power.


Even though I'm still backing Kucinich, I applaud your decision. I too have the same reservations about Kerry, and even though I plan to vote for him, Dennis Kucinich is still acting as the "conscience of the party", and keeps important issues front and center.

We can still apply pressure to Kerry from the left and show him that it's okay for him to take stances outside the so-called "moderate middle", because he'll have the support of the left if he does.

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:50 PM
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6. Kerry wasn't the first choice
for many of us, but this election is too damn important. Another four years of Bush would be disasterous for this country -- and the rest of the world as well.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:01 PM
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7. Donated another $25 today.
I will continue to chip in throughout the campaign. I cannot believe the pure evil of this administration.
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 03:43 PM
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12. The House is on Fire!!-Put the fire out 1st --then renovate!
that's what I say to Nader supporters!

3 supremes & the draft
that what Bush will give us if we let him!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 06:46 PM
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14. Give credit where credit is due.
I don't fall in line or join bandwagons, but this one is obviously a big score for Kerry. I hope he gets full mileage out of it.

I hope Kerry turns up the heat on every one of *'s destructive ego-trips. Will he hold back to avoid losing the conservatives that Bush has already alienated, or will he go for it?

Time will tell.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:43 AM
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16. I'm a Kucinich person on many issues (like trade for example).
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 02:45 AM by DaveSZ
I'm on the Kerry bandwagon now to save the environment, and the US Supreme Court from 40 years of Scalia as chief justice.

As for Iraq, I really don't see any good options other than to try and get UN peacekeepers in there.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:34 AM
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17. The mean age in the US was 36.6 years according to 2000 Census
which means that most people were too young or weren't even born when Kerry was in Vietnam.

This is only an issue to Boomers!

But if we are to make Vietnam an issue, then I suggest we don't repeat the same "stay the course" mistake we made in Vietnam as Robert Scheer pointed out in the following LA Times article:

Published on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times
Face the Iraq Fiasco, Senator
by Robert Scheer

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

That was the crucial question Vietnam combat veteran John Kerry put to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee 33 years ago, and it is the question that should be at the center of his presidential campaign.

Today, however, Kerry seems unable to admit that the war he voted to authorize in Iraq has been such a disaster, arguing only that we must "stay the course." Why, when that was the tragic advice from the best and brightest in the Lyndon Johnson administration?

In proposing a long-overdue appeal to the United Nations and NATO to make them real partners in the rebirth of Iraq and take — in his words — the "Made in America" label off what has become a very unpopular occupation, Kerry gets some things right that the president has gotten so wrong. Unfortunately, however, the Democrats' heir apparent is still taking far too much solace in the conventional wisdom, which brought us the sorrows of the Vietnam War.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0427-04.htm
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