OBAMA FUCKING LIED THIS EVENING: Wright warned Obama he should leave in April 2007

[Herman Munster]

Give me a fucking break. Obama's "performances" this evening was the biggest crock of shit I ever heard in my life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=login&oref=slogin

Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

[Saturday]

1. This story is just beginning. Recommended.nt

[FrenchieCat]

17. Y'all sound just like Hannity!

He's desperate for McCain to run against Hillary too!

[Major Hogwash]

32. These right-wing talking points are coming right off of his program.

On a nightly basis.

This will be real fun after June, huh?

Probably not for them anymore though.

[Auntie Bush]

162. Now who's complaining about spreading right wing talking points?

Isn't that just what Hillary supporters have been complaining about for this past year? Now you know how it feels. Now you know why Hillirites have been so pissed and started retaliating. We've all been saying what goes around comes around and begging/pleading with you to stop sliming Hillary...a fellow Democratic.

[laugle]

181. You are so

right! The tables have turned and people will begin to see what we have seen all along.........

[populistdriven]

77. Hillary could toss a baby off a cliff and still keep these supporters

[Tarc]

84. And Obama could tap Farrakhan for VP and still keep you onboard, I'd wager

[populistdriven]

165. Judge Obama by his own WORDS:

"I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan," Obama said in the statement. "I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree."

And his fellow goers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw

[laugle]

183. He asks us to just

"BELIEVE!" How do we believe that statement, when his spiritual advisor, speaks the opposite and gives an award to Farrakhan? How can you reconcile the two? How can you believe him? How will people perceive this?

We will know the answers soon............

[creeksneakers2]

213. Why do they have to reconcile

Everybody does some good and some bad. Just because somebody has faults doesn't mean he can't be recognized for good deeds. If only perfect people could be honored nobody would ever be honored.

Farrakhan has done many good things.

[JoFerret]

198. I do, and find them empty

.

[JoFerret]

197. And - coincidentally - Wright honors Farrakhan in 2007

Trumpet Gala 2007

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan received the “Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held on November 2, at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.

And Mr. Farrakhan is the cover story of the November/December 2007 issue of Wright’s Trinity United Church Of Christ’s magazine, which is run by Mr. Wright’s daughter.

[Hepburn]

107. Or vote against banning cluster bombs and they would still support her.

Wait...that's already been done!

[niceypoo]

126. Barack only supports their use...

...by Israel in their invasion of Lebanon in 2006

[Hepburn]

209. Link?

[NDambi]

143. indeed

[Emillereid]

159. My sentiments exactly!

How a guy is supposed to be responsible for everything someone else says is ludicrous. Besides I do believe the good reverend was speaking the truth.

[Patchuli]

179. I agree with you

and also agree that the pastor was speaking truth yet I would never ever curse my own country. He could have gotten his message across without the 'G'damn America stuff. Either way, Obama does NOT control his pastor's sermons, especially one from years ago at this point. I think the Hill/repugs are just fishing yet again.

[Andrea]

212. He doesn't control his pastor's sermons, but

he certainly controls his own choice to remain associated with said pastor.

[Patchuli]

214. My pastor says things occasionally that I don't agree with

and is a little misguided about the war in Iraq, but he still gives me the Word of God and everything else you would expect from your chosen church.

What his pastor said 7 years ago still doesn't give any legitimate reasons as to why Obama should not become the President. Obama has already said where he stands. This is another non-story started by those araid of his success at convincing the voters that he will be a better candidate than Hillary.

[Andrea]

227. It's your choice, just like it is OB's choice.

As for me, I would not be associated with someone who said such things.

[Patchuli]

233. Yes it is a matter of choice.

That said, I STILL think it's a petty thing to disparage (or attempt to disparage) BO for. As for my church, my pastor would never even say 'G'damn let alone apply it to America.

[shenmue]

192. Of course, you believe she does that already.

There's nothing that could tap you off Obama. He could have one of these fanatics actually get up there and sing "God D*mn America," and you'd think it was funny.

:eyes:

Reality is not your strong suit.

[JoFerret]

115. We are democrats who want to win in November. BIG difference

I want a democrat in the WH in 2009. That's what I want.

[From The Left]

122. HILLARY "FUCKING LIED" ABOUT GERALDINE FERRARO'S ROLE IN HER CAMPAIGN

Deal with it.

[rodeodance]

129. Tell us ----how did she do that?

[Tellurian]

130. Obama is so incompetent, he can't even keep his "own" Lies straight!..

He announced in Feb 07'... wonder how the "HOT SHOTS"...Kerry & Kennedy are feeling right about now?

And Dean, after they dragged him into this "sure thing"!

[greyghost]

226. Good one LOL

[democrattotheend]

2. Obama said he did not know until he started running for president

Which was in January 2007, three months before april

[virtualobserver]

8. How do you tell the difference between...........

A Hillary supporter and someone from the Fox News Channel.

You can't, they use the same talking points.

[JoFerret]

116. Sometimes everyone can see the emperor is naked

But don't worry about Hannity and his ilk. They will shred any decent person and any democrat. They don't discriminate. Equal opportunity haters.

[laugle]

187. And how do you

tell a Obama supporter, it's easy, they "BLAME CLINTON!"

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[pocoloco]

4. OK Herman, show us where he lied.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[FogerRox]

26. Its over, Herman didnt get the memo

[lligrd]

5. You Should Be Ashamed Of Yourself

I just watched Faux News and they were more evenhanded than you guys have been. Congratulations on out lowing Faux. Wright's statements have been completely taken out of context here and after actually hearing them I agree with most of his statements.

Why don't you pick on some of the real hateful right wing preachers out there? And the candidates that support them.

[Saturday]

14. That's nice that you do but Obama doesn't. nt

[elixir]

24. Our point exactly, the MSM is eating this up and is looking forward to months of positive ratings

thanks to Rev. Wrong. The only problem for the MSM is how they'll chose between Spitzer or Rev. Wrong - let's hope it's Spitzer. I think prostitution sells more ads than a crazy ass "Uncle".

[lligrd]

29. I Don't Think You Get It At All

Rev Wright is right. If Congress were made up of Wrights we wouldn't be where we are now.

[JoFerret]

117. What a horrifying prospect - religiosity and ranting and demonizing

What a vile world that would be.

[Sonnenschein]

153. I think Wright is right. But Ferraro is right too.

[The Doctor.]

207. Hahahaha! Yeah.

Nice try. What is that, the "all opinions are valid" argument?

Wright has demonstrably valid points. Ferraro made a very ignorant statement.

If you really believe that Obama wouldn't be where he is if he weren't black, then you also have to believe that Bill Clinton wasn't elected... after all, how can a guy become President without being Black? It is a complete failure of logic, just looking at US history, to make such a ridiculous claim as she did.

[jaybeat]

210. Wright and Ferraro ARE right!

The abuses of the United Corporations of Amerika ARE responsible for 9/11. HELL, we trained and funded OBL until he no longer met our needs, and then we simply funded and bowed to his Saudi Wahabist benefactors. The Bush cabal brought 9/11 on us to fulfill their PNAC neo-con wet dream! Wright is RIGHT!

If Barack Obama had the *exact* same resume, oratorical powers and all the rest, but had WHITE skin, he MIGHT be a US Senator (more likely still stuck in the state legislature), but their's no way in HELL he'd be the presumptive Democratic nominee for the freaking POTUS!!!! Ferraro is RIGHT!

Can the brainwashed Sheepeople of Amerkia handle the truth? Jack Nicholson had it right--NO!

Will the MSM, all lathered-up over war-hero McLame vs. Hussein Muslim Amerika-hating Obama make SURE they can't handle it? Bet on it.

Will this be the last s-election with even a hint of "choice" or "hope" in it? I'm afraid so.

I hope I'm wrong. But I doubt it.

[The Doctor.]

217. Well, if it helps, there's a very good chance you're wrong.

To say that Obama wouldn't be running for POTUS if he weren't black is strangely dismissive of his more important qualities.

Let's dismiss those one at a time, shall we?

- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he weren't a man.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if He weren't tall.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he didn't have a good voice.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he were ugly.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he didn't have hair.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he didn't have money.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he wasn't so eloquent.
- He wouldn't be running for POTUS if he wasn't married.

What more can we add to the list? That makes the 'black' issue moot.

[jaybeat]

232. Be serious

He could have ALL of those qualities and without being African-American his candidacy would not have gotten of the ground at this stage of his career. LOTS of other candidates have all those qualities, but with only a single term in the US Senate wouldn't be able to form an exploratory committee.

And in case you're wondering, neither would Hillary, if she wasn't female.

Race and gender DO matter--to many, they are crucial, deciding factors. It sucks, but it is the truth.

[The Doctor.]

234. Tell you what... I'll agree that being black may have helped him overcome

such a hurdle if you'll agree that he does have loads of otherwise qualifying characteristics.

Fair enough?

[jaybeat]

235. Of *course* he does!! LOL!

I have never said and do not believe the statement that "If Obama weren't black he wouldn't be *qualified* to be President." I have also never said, and do not believe, that Obama is unqualified to be President, regardless of his ethnic background. He is, I'm currently thinking, our best and possibly only hope to avoid Republican destruction of the world.

[Sonnenschein]

240. So you think that 90% of the black voters voted for Obama is based on merit only?

[movonne]

33. Do you just want to hate or is it part of your makeup...

[BlackVelvet04]

147. There is NO context where

God damn America is acceptable...NONE.

[9119495]

189. seizure of Hawaii? Indian Wars?

Slavery? Jim Crow?

[shenmue]

193. Ah, stuck in the past.

:eyes:

So tired. Chip on your shoulder much?

[gtar100]

211. Yes there is. The Iraq War.

God Damn America for taking a bad situation for millions of people in a Iraq and making it a living, nightmare hell that even Saddam couldn't do.

God Damn America for openly justifying the practice of torture.

So do you think I hate America? You'd be wrong if you did.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is actually a pretty nice man......

Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.

Personal Information

Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia, PA; son of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sr. and Dr. Mary Henderson Wright; married Ramah Reed; children: Janet Marie, Jeri Lynne, Nikol, Nathan, Jamila
Education: Virginia Union University, 1959-61; Howard University, BA, 1968, MA, 1969; University of Chicago School of Divinity, MA, 1975; United Theological Seminary, DMin, Black Sacred music, 1990.
Religion: United Church of Christ.
Military/Wartime Service: U.S. Marine Corps, private first class, 1961-63; U.S. Navy, hospital corpsman third class, 1964-67.
Memberships:
Selected: Ministers for Racial and Social Justice, United Church of Christ, 1972-; Black Theology Project, Board of Directors, 1975-95; Evangelical Health Systems, Board of Directors, 1986-89; Chicago Theological Seminary, Board of Trustees, 1999-2000; Virginia Union University, Board of Trustees, 2001-.

Career

Zion Church, interim pastor, 1968-69; Beth Eden Church, assistant pastor, 1969-1971; American Association of Theological Schools, researcher, 1970-72; Trinity United Church of Christ, pastor 1972-. Chicago Center for Black Religious Studies, executive director, 1974-75; Chicago Cluster of Theological Schools, lecturer, 1975-77; United Theological Seminary, professor, 1991-97; Chicago Theological Seminary, professor, 1998; Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary, professor, 1999.

Life's Work

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.

Wright was born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the son of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Sr. and Dr. Mary Henderson Wright. His parents were his earliest influences, instilling in him a deep religious faith and a strong, positive image of his African-American culture. His father, who served as the pastor of Grace Baptist Church for 62 years was one of the first African Americans to receive a degree from the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, earning a master of sacred theology degree in 1949. Wright was educated in the public schools of Philadelphia.

In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.

While continuing his studies, Wright also began making forays into a career in the ministry. Between 1968 and 1971 he served short-term stints first as interim pastor and then as an associate pastor. From 1970 to 1972 he was a researcher for the American Association of Theological Schools. He was also a columnist for Chicago's Independent Bulletin during 1972. Then, on March 1, 1972, 31-year-old Wright was hired as the pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, a position he continues to hold.

When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation and took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.

According to Wright, the Christian call extends in two directions: upward to God and outward to the community. As a result, Wright takes seriously the need to reach out to others, especially Chicago's inner-city residents. Trinity has 70 ministry programs, 22 of which target youth. Half of the programs target the community, including adult education, literacy, computer, child care, and education for unemployed or low-income families. For Wright, religion, social outreach, and political activism go hand in hand. He vocally opposed the U.S. involvement in Iraq beginning in 2003 and has tackled such previously taboo issues such as AIDS from the pulpit.

As Wright's reputation grew as a powerful and dynamic preacher in the black sermonic tradition who incorporated music, politics, and social issues into his sermons, he became a sought-after lecturer and preacher. In 1993 he was named second on Ebony's list of the top black preachers in North America. Once admitting that he had considered a career as a seminary professor, Wright satisfied his desire to teach by accepting invitations to lecture and teach at numerous universities and seminaries. He first stepped in front of a classroom in 1974 as an adjunct professor at Chicago Theological Seminary. In 1975 he was an adjunct professor at the Catholic Theological Union in Chicago, and from 1976 to 1992 he served as an adjunct professor for the Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education. He has also taught courses at United Theological Seminary, North Park Theological Seminary, and Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary in Chicago.

Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.

In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher, teacher, and lecturer.

Awards

Selected: Howard University, Dean's List, 1968; The Fund for Theological Education, Rockefeller Fellowship, 1970-75; three Presidential Commendations from L.B. Johnson, 1965-66.

Works
Selected works

What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (ed. by Jini Kilgore Ross), Judson Press, 1993.
Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families (ed. by Jini Kilgore Ross), Judson Press, 1995.
(With Colleen Birchett) Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Urban Ministries, 1995.
From One Brother to Another: Voices of African American Men (ed. by William J. Key and Robert Johnson-Smith II), Judson Press, 1996.
(With Frank Madison Reid III and Colleen Birchett) When Black Men Stand Up for God : Reflections on the Million Man March, African American Images, 1996.
Great Preachers: Jeremiah Wright (VHS recording), Odyssey Productions, 1998.
Let Your Will Be Done (sound recording, with the Trinity United Church of Christ Sanctuary Choir), 2001.
What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, Augsburg Fortress Publishers, 2002.
http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright

[AtomicKitten]

11. Wow. That's some curriculum vitae.

:thumbsup:

[elixir]

28. The guy is a wack job and a major liability even after being denounced and rejected.

[jgraz]

39. Well, I will say this for the Clinton campaign

They keep their wack-job major liability at the top of the ticket.

[elixir]

65. Geez, JGraz, what the heck was that? Are you calling HRC a wack job? Lame. ou can do better.

[jgraz]

71. OK, how do you feel about warmongering crapweasel?

I can go either way.

[elixir]

81. There ya' go. I knew you had it in you. Because you and I both know she's not a wack job..

we already have a crazy "Uncle" who fits the bill.

[jgraz]

83. No, I honestly think her trolley has jumped the tracks

Several people, myself included, have voiced sincere concern for her mental well-being once she finally realizes that she's never going to be president.

[Oslo]

154. She's staying in the race just to try to derail Obama

Randi Rhodes says Hill will consider an Independent run just to make sure that Obama doesn't win the general election.

[laugle]

194. How the hell does she

know that.....last night she went on and on about how wounded BO would be from pastorgate.

[JAbuchan08]

140. Do you know Hillary personally, I don't.

and her public persona, ever increasingly identifies her either as a desperate wack-job, or an oily weasle. One or the other.

[Hawkeye-X]

144. I will say that Hillary is a wannabe crybaby

When she doesn't get things her way, she stomps her feet and pout. Just like a spoiled brat. Her coronation never happened after Feb 5th, why would we want her spoiled ass in the WH? She'd better off being a corrupt lobbyist and eventually indicted for her 'future crimes'. But then again, my sis did work for the Clinton WH, although she worked closely with Gore, not Clinton....... so I can say this is my own opinion and none of anyone else's. Understand?

[movonne]

40. Will you stop it...

[hendo]

168. You mean, kind of like Ferraro only not so much? n/t

[gtar100]

218. Perception is everything. Even with dark sunglasses.

This hatefulness toward a fellow democrat is not doing Hillary Clinton any good. I feel a sense of things coming together in a positive way when Barack speaks. Obviously you don't.

This is exactly why so many spiritual leaders talk about clearing the passions and desires away in order to see the truth. How do either of us know that what we are seeing is the truth? I would say that your rejection of the man, Barack Obama, has colored your perception, filtered out anything that would contradict what it is you want to believe. And I know you could say the same thing about me. So that begs the question of what really is the truth about these candidates we have to choose between. And since Reverend Wright has been thrust into our perceptions, what really is the truth about him? I suspect it would take more than the sound bites we are getting to answer that question in full honesty.

*Your* denouncement of Reverend Wright appears off-the-cuff. I imagine it would be a bit uncomfortable having to eat those words if you met him in person and found him to be rather cordial toward you.

[oasis]

82. Farrakhan would agree with that statement. Wright has given the minister

due honors.

[jackson_dem]

100. Is anyone surprised to see Frenchiecat praise Wright?

[Hepburn]

108. Knock off the bullshit about Frenchie, OK?

She is wonderful, her posts are great and I would still say the same no matter who she supported. On the other hand, you are a bitter Clinton supporter with little to offer.

And...before you spew bilge at me...my candidate was JRE. So forget your bullshit about how I have stars in my eyes about Obama. I support him because he is not some lying RW DINO war monger like Queen Hillary.

JMHO

[jackson_dem]

111. Speaking of BS, what policies make Clinton a DINO that Obama doesn't share?

You do realize they have basically the same views, don't you? Why do you think Edwards hasn't endorsed St. Obama?

Yeah. My candidate was Edwards too. Ironic that you, given your post, claim I have stars in my eyes about Clinton and am bitter that she is on her way to thrashing St. Obama in Pennsylvania.

Frenchie blamed the Clintons for genocide. If you think that is "great" that is your problem.

[OhioBlue]

7. where did he lie? n/t

[FrenchieCat]

9. Rev. Jeremiah Wright's America - Home of the Brave, Land of the Free

This is the America of his youth, and so, He's not been hoodwinked.



























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[Emit]

18. This should be its own post, FenchieCat! n/t

[anigbrowl]

25. That's a great photo essay. I think it should...

be in its own thread, instead of a stupid one like this.

[FrenchieCat]

48. I think it deserves to be in a thread were "Obama lies" is all in caps......

Because making Wright into the boogeyman was the first mistake the Hillary Supporter DU posters made. They just followed the Fox talking points.

Black folks ain't liking this at all......and I'm letting those that I discuss politics with (my 600+ mailing list) that on-line activists supporting Hillary are attempting to demonize Rev. Wright based on some 5 to 10 second clips from Fox News. I'm sure that there will also be a mention of it at our 5,000+ congregation service on Sunday.....as my Husband is the minister that sits at the side of a powerful Baptist Pastor. The Black community is powerful to a degree because of its churches, not in spite of them. And so, even if Hillary didn't have anything to do with it, folks are getting mighty pissed.

[Middle finga]

223. Those pictures are worth a thousand words

and people don't understand why a lot of older AA are still bitter. If I had to grow up under that type of blatant racism I would still be bitter too.

[elixir]

36. The gov't infected the black man w/ AIDS, God Damn America? very presidential

[Not the Only One]

50. Rev. Wright isn't running for President.

He is just a man. A man who knows for a fact that much of America doesn't view him as a man, an equal man.

[elixir]

56. He's the spiritual advisor to a presidential candidate as well as his crazy "Uncle". That's close.

[Not the Only One]

75. That doesn't mean that he obeys or agrees with everything he says.

Rev. Wright has a perspective on things that Obama doesn't have, partially because of Obama's age and background and mostly growing up in a white family. Obama appreciates hearing that perspective to make him aware of those perspectives, knowing there are many others like Rev. Wright.

Back when I went to church, various pastors I listened to would say many things I didn't agree with. Pastors speak only for themselves, though they like to think they speak for God or Jesus, too.

Obama probably personally likes Rev. Wright. He's probably very nice to Obama and his family.

This is a totally stupid thing for the media to get its panties in a bunch over.

[americanstranger]

54. Psst - lemme clue you in.

Wright isn't running for president.

Glad to clear that up for you.

- as

[elixir]

61. Oops, and neither was Billie Carter or Neil Bush. Crazy relatives that bring down a candidate.

[ProSense]

69. What about Hillary's brothers? and Bill's? How will they hold up under scrutiny? n/t

[elixir]

91. Gosh, haven't they already beat them up? I guess they (repugs) could always prop them up again

[ProSense]

97. Wishful thinking! There's a bottomless pit of shady deals involving the Clintons since 2000 n/t

[lakercub]

208. Neil Bush

never brought down anyone politically. Bush the elder was elected even though Neal was already knee deep in the Silverado S & L collapse...and we knew about Neil and his whores before Bush's second term.

He was (and is) an embarrassment, but a relatively easy one to sweep to the side.

[FrenchieCat]

64. Rev Wright is not trying to be Presidential.......

if you didn't know that.

and....

Study: Many Blacks Cite AIDS Conspiracy

More than 20 years after the AIDS epidemic arrived in the United States, a significant proportion of African Americans embrace the theory that government scientists created the disease to control or wipe out their communities, according to a study released today by Rand Corp. and Oregon State University.

African Americans represent 13 percent of the U.S. population, according to Census Bureau figures, yet they account for 50 percent of new HIV infections in the nation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Nearly half of the 500 African Americans surveyed said that HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, is man-made. The study, which was supported by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, appears in the Feb. 1 edition of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes.

More than one-quarter said they believed that AIDS was produced in a government laboratory, and 12 percent believed it was created and spread by the CIA.

A slight majority said they believe that a cure for AIDS is being withheld from the poor. Forty-four percent said people who take the new medicines for HIV are government guinea pigs, and 15 percent said AIDS is a form of genocide against black people
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33695-2005Jan24.html

The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
The U.S. government's 40-year experiment on black men with syphilis

The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997


For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

The true nature of the experiment had to be kept from the subjects to ensure their cooperation. The sharecroppers' grossly disadvantaged lot in life made them easy to manipulate. Pleased at the prospect of free medical care—almost none of them had ever seen a doctor before—these unsophisticated and trusting men became the pawns in what James Jones, author of the excellent history on the subject, Bad Blood, identified as “the longest nontherapeutic experiment on human beings in medical history.”
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html

[JoFerret]

196. I think w are aware of that mistrust and its quite rational origins

However - feeding the paranoia is hardly helpful.

[ProSense]

66. What's your point? The gov't is to be trusted always? American imperialism is a myth?

This helps Hillary?

[ThatBozGuy]

88. It took 50 years for tuskegee, who knows

[Divine Discontent]

167. your wording TOTALLY implies Obama said these things...

this is democraticunderground, not democraticestablishment

[still_one]

200. Have you ever heard of The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

How about the LSD experiements that the government performed on GIs

or the government exposing soldiers to radiation in the Nevada desert to see what the effects are

Though I don't buy the premise that the government infected the African American with AIDS, they sure did infect some African Americans with Syphillis without treatment, so I wouldn't put it past them

[movonne]

44. Thank you...what pictures..very, very sad...

[Not the Only One]

45. America needs to decide if it wants to forget that recent past or remember and deal with it.

We can't have it both ways. If it didn't happen, then they should be treating black men and women like they do white men and women, shouldn't they? If it did happen, then they should be fully expecting people like Rev. Wright who lived through it to not be so quick to forgive and forget.

Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate. Being here in America doesn't make you an American. Being born here in America doesn't make you an American.

Rev. Wright isn't convinced that he's welcome at the table. He hasn't been offered what's on the plate. Looking at exit polls in 21st century presidential nominating contests (in a party that supposedly is more tolerant of every race than the general population), seems to validate how Rev. Wright feels.

Rev. Wright isn't politically correct, but that doesn't mean he isn't actually correct.

[movonne]

53. Yes make your own post with these pictures...all of DU should see

them...maybe they wouldn't be so judgmental..

[Blue_Roses]

63. And it doesn't end there. While your pics break my heart, this is one you missed

[elixir]

70. So your suggesting that this is the current condition of our society. If not, he can also acknowled

ge the progress we've made. You know, hope and change.

[Inuca]

118. I think that she is suggesting that

THIS was the condition of our society until not too long ago, and that such conditions leave deep scars in those who lived these times and on the whole community. And while things are better now, they are definitely not good. Racism in subtle and not so subtle forms is still here, and we all know it. This is ONE of the reasons that an Obama presidency has the potential of a healing effect on the whole society that many of us (me included) cannot fully imagine. Ferraro was wrong to say that Obama GOT where he is because he is black, but IMHO the positive impact of an Obama presidency could be magnified because he is black.

[chknltl]

76. You just became my favorite DUer Frenchie Cat

I was offended by the title of this thread, I was even worse offended by the 12 rec's it has. Then I saw you in here fighting the good fight and decided to look a bit further. Now I understand the 12 recommendations. You are my hero, plain and simple. I hope that I will have the honor of shaking your hand in front of the Lincoln Memmorial on February 12, 2009.
Yes We Can!

[Skidmore]

104. Thanks for taking the time to do this. There is much that this nation needs to overcome

even in this day and age. I think we are in a position now to jerk it into a new century and a new understanding of what it means to be a human being and an American.

[ctaylors6]

123. Can I ask sincere question? Would you have preferred that Obama

explained the general context of Rev Wright's statements as your pictures so eloquently do? I personally feel a little disappointed in Obama's response. I feel like he threw Wright under the bus along with a lot of the reasons he (obama) attends that church.
I also think it was a little disingenuous to basically say "I didn't know he ever said anything so controversial, but now that I know I disagree with any of those statements."

[JAbuchan08]

142. YOu should have included some dead Iraqis, Afghanis and Nicaraguans in that

some filipinos and Venezualens maybe some victims of Saddam and the Greek colnels, and a variety of other people that we've abused through the years directly or by proxy.
People get offended because they don't want to think that they and their beloved SUVs and American "values" have anything to do with this suffering.

[LuvMyPorsche]

145. no

different time and different nation.

Most Americans would LIKE to believe that we live in a "mostly" color blind society today.

[tmoore411]

152. As a native American Indian, I have always wondered

what it is about people that have to continually be pacified over things that happened in the past. Here is a clue into human psychology, if you PLAY the victim, you will continually BE the victim. White, Black, Pink, Purple, Brown, Yellow, Grey or whatever color, I have refused, as has my family to be victims. I cannot fix what happened in the past, and I can't claim to have suffered for it either. As near as I can tell, Obama has not suffered much in his life because of any of this, so why does he and his supporters continually play the "I was a victim" race card when things get just a little tough...do you honestly think that is going to play in the GE...just things that make me go HMMMMM.

[Andrea]

220. From one Native American to another,

Thank you. Very well said.

[Zhade]

225. As a fellow - bullshit.

Troll.

[The Doctor.]

231. As a native Reticulan, I have always wondered

why humans wonder about shit that doesn't happen.

[DeadEyeDyck]

238. here, here n/t

[psychmommy]

157. very nice frenchie

way to put everything into context.

[Teaser]

10. Herman, will you condemn Obama over his baseball rape scandal?

Obama is a baby killer and a baseball player rapist. He must be brought to account on these scandals.

You, Herman, are the man to do it.

Please, for the sake of our nation, Herman...speak up.

[shenmue]

195. Wow, now you're trying comedy.

And it sucks too.

[ProSense]

12. Hillary's been lying about everything, including SCHIP. Where is Hillary's tax return? n/t

[elixir]

38. 4/15...I'll send you a copy. Go ahead change the subject but wait until the 527.

[movonne]

58. What a nasty piece of work you are...

[Genevieve]

43. But she's responsible for peace in Ireland!!

(':rofl:')

[elixir]

13. Barack waited waaaaaay tooooo long. The poop is out of the diaper and he's going to

have to do some serious, serious work to clean up this mess.

[tabatha]

20. ha ha

[DerekJ]

98. The mess has been cleaned up, it’s left only in your mind.

[writes3000]

15. Obama never claimed that he didn't know that Wright criticized the establishment

He said he hadn't heard inflammatory statements such as these. He said he didn't this kind of inflammatory tone.

He explained what he took from Wright's sermons and we have other accounts of people who acknowledge that Wright spoke out against homophobia, sexism and poverty in his sermons.

He never claimed that Wright was never critical on the pulpit.

You are so determined to see EVERYTHING in extremist terms with Obama, you are losing perspective.

And the screaming headline posts suggest that you really, really are crying out for attention.

Try taking a few breaths. Everything you want to share doesn't need to be shouted.

[tabatha]

16. You are so predictable and boring in your twisting and turning

of the facts.

[mzmolly]

19. Can you show me the lie part?

:shrug:

[Usrename]

21. Are you bearing false witness against thy neighbor?

:shrug:

[bhikkhu]

22. I will be surprised if you are as venomous to the repugs in the GE

No evidence of civility or manners, poor judgment and timing, little capacity to put together a logical argument, appearing to act as a witless tool of RW mudslingers...you are a real asset to your candidate.

[jgraz]

35. Are you kidding? He won't be here for the GE

He'll be working hard to make sure his Queen has a shot for 2012

[bhikkhu]

That's what it is sounding like.

I don't begrudge Hillary her shot this year or any other, but tools like the OP need to be called out, consistently.

[tabatha]

23. You're a fucking munster.

[virtualobserver]

30. is Hillary's screen name Herman....

to throw us off.

[Stephanie]

27. I am listening to Obama right now on CNN. He said he didn't know UNTIL he started running for Pres.

At that point I'm sure his own team's research dept dug up this info. Obama said he did not know about these statements when they HAPPENED, but he did know once he started running, at which point he made clear he did not agree with them. Got it?

[Herman Munster]

34. and you believe him ?

After 20 years, give me a break.

He's playing you all for fools.

[virtualobserver]

37. it feels like you've been posting that same talking point for 20 years

n/t

[CatnHat]

95. I agree

Obama lost his creditability, and it will affect his campaign. If some Obama supporters can actually swallow the shit that this preacher man is spewing, good luck, but many people will not vote for Obama because of this. Obama is a member of this church for about 20 years, and you mean to tell me, that he does not know what this church represents!!! It's disgusting, that some Obama people can still defend Obama and his mentor. Obama and his preacher are playing the Obama supporters like fools. It's that simple. Obama's core of campaign is destroyed beyond repair.

[DerekJ]

99. 5 minutes, in how many? 170,000 minutes

Would you like to calculate the probability of him hearing those stuff? Yes we do, he is not a liar until proven otherwise. Countless years of preaching, and they come up with "God Damn America", and "AIDS".
Give me a break

[tmoore411]

151. I will not run for President in 2008

nuff said, he's a liar !!!!

[jgraz]

31. This story is already over. You guys just haven't figured it out yet

Kind of like Hillary's campaign...

[Danger Mouse]

57. so which stage is hermie in? denial? anger? looks like it's anger now...

all that profanity.

[jgraz]

78. We really need to invent a new set of grieving stages for the Hillaroids

1. Denial
2. Math Deficiency
3. Hysterical Incontinence
4. Race-baiting
5. Anger
6. More Anger
7. Serious Fucking Anger
8. Stop it you're scaring me Anger
9. Babbling incoherence
10. Depression
11. Republicanism
12. Tombstoning

That seems a bit more accurate.

[Danger Mouse]

79. We can look forward to #11 and 12 once the nomination is wrapped up.

:thumbsup:

[americanstranger]

41. Hannity? Izzat you?

How any liberal can stand with that moron is way beyone my pay grade.

- as

[jgraz]

47. Naw. This guy sounds more like Michael Savage Weiner

[IsItJustMe]

135. I think it's Rush Limbballs sitting in his underware high on the Oxy again. Piece of nasy work.

[Politicalboi]

203. No I heard

Rush on Friday (For a laugh) that Rev Wright talks about hate. Besides it's because Rev Wright is black that he is where he is today. If he were white he would have his own TV show and con elderly people out of their money so they can go to heaven and be respected by the white community.

[Whisp]

42. he should leave the church?

why shoud he? you are talking silly Hillary.

churches are a lot more than the preachers (altho I must say, if I wanted to take up church again, a Wright kinda guy could certainly make me more interested).

Churches are community, friends, meetings, bondings, neighbourlyness, etc.

I guess you be happier if Obama joined that church Hillary goes to?

:rofl:

the 'church' in all it's uglier meanings?

[Politicalboi]

204. You mean

The black churches Hillary goes to to try and con votes from. Even trying to talk like them like she knows what it is like to be discriminated against. I love that.

[elixir]

46. HM, people don't seem to realize that the general public will not see this in a favorable light no

matter how much Obama massages this thing. He has the advantage of the weekend but Sunday morning will be the litmus test. If this is covered on sunday morning programming, it has life.

I don't want this to take on life because if Obama is our candidate I want him to win. Unfortunately, I see a 527 ad that will be seen by a public that is not as forgiving as this liberal board.

[movonne]

68. Not if they are like you...

[Politicalboi]

206. Well get ready for Peter Paul in 10/08

[milkyway]

49. Calm down, Hermie. I know you're all excited because you think Hannity might give the nomination to

Clinton, but this won't do it.

[Justice Is Comin]

59. This is only a candy bar.

Rezko is the five course gourmet dinner with Dom Perignon.

[Danger Mouse]

60. keep wishing and hoping for something that's never going to happen.

it's cute!

[acmavm]

156. DO NOT fool yourself. The old duffers in my Mom's old folk's highrise

heard about the quarter million in donations before I did. Waiting for her I overheard them talking and when I got home I came here to find out what the hell they were babbling about. And then I saw the story. I don't think those old guys post on DU so that story must be making the rounds.

They were not pleased. And since they said that he's a crook, I sincerely doubt that they'll be voting for him.

Yep, if Obama gets the nomination we'll all have to get used to the words President McCain. Although since I don't like Hillary that much more than Barrie thanks to her record, I imagine that slime McCain is gonna take it either way.

[Danger Mouse]

185. I think we can beat McCain with either Obama OR Clinton...

as long as we are able to unite the party after the convention, and as long as we don't take right wing attacks lying down.

[acmavm]

205. The hard feelings generated by this long, drawn out, bitter primary, along

with the two lousy candidates the party has saddled itself will be our undoing. They BOTH have too damn much baggage.

[Andrea]

222. It's so sad

To be stuck with these two, especially considering all the better choices we had.

[Blue_Roses]

51. you are such a fucking tool...

it amazes me how much shit you manage--oh, wait--try to stir.

[C_U_L8R]

52. These Hillary people are really ridiculous

They really don't have much positive to say for themselves or their own candidate
but sure as this thread, they love pissing all over other candidates.
Their self-centered divisiveness has repulsed me to everything Clinton.
Just look at the title of this thread "OBAMA FUCKING LIED THIS EVENING"
and then goes on to call Obama the "biggest crock of shit I ever heard in my life"
Well dear Hillary fans.. what the fuck is wrong with YOU !!! Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with YOU?
You do know you're losing don't you?? Your attack strategy has totally backfired. In your face.
It's hamfisted and odious. Hateful. Ridiculous. Thank god your campaign is coming to an end.
Thank god. Yack !

[Danger Mouse]

55. Be honest, Herman. You hate Obama more than you like Clinton.

I see very few (if any) pro-clinton threads from you, but once your 24 hours are up, bang bang bang, three anti-obama threads, like clockwork.
You're transparent, and sad.

[jgraz]

72. Well, he certainly hates Obama more than he hates Sean Hannity

Or McCain

[Danger Mouse]

73. I've noticed that there's more than a few Hillary 'supporters' who have nothing nice to say about

Hillary, but plenty of nasty things to spew out about Obama.
Very telling.

[AX10]

62. K & R!

[babylonsister]

67. You are a lame person. Put *F* in the title, it works. So sad. nt

[PerfectSage]

74. If only you could suck on Obama's "biggest crock"

as hard as you suck on Hillary's nutty right wing Christian fellowship crock...

Rotflmao. Hillary Munster

[PerfectSage]

80. What would Lilary Munster say if she knew, you'd been cheating on her, Hermie?

?t=1205558593

[Name removed]

85. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[PerfectSage]

90. Been here since 2004

I wouldn't take a fuckin' cent from FR. I'll bet you in the entire Bush presidency, that I've sent Bush the most obscentity laced packed sentence in an email that he ever received. :rofl: Nobody beats a perfectsage. Nobooooooooooody.

[oasis]

86. Obama should do us all a favor and go to work on an exit strategy. (eom)

[ProSense]

87. That's like Hillary losing, but offering Obama the VP slot. n/t

[oasis]

138. Pastorgate has changed everything. (eom)

[Swamp Rat]

89. At least you did not post something blatantly racist this time.

[grantcart]

92. I wonder if we take up a collection if he will reissue the Wyoming analysis

again so we can all have a good laugh

[CatnHat]

93. K&R

[kevinmc]

94. The Dream Team

[Frank Booth]

96. I've only been posting here a short time, but I've been wondering

why, when certain pro-Hillary posters (I think this one is the most prolific) post, Obama supporters respond in droves, keeping the post at the top of the GD-P forum? I guess I'm falling for the bait since I'm doing it myself, but seriously, don't purposely inflammatory posts like this benefit when Obama supporters respond to them? Wouldn't it be better if these things just fell off the top page?

My impression is that there are more Obama supporters on this site, but Hillary supporters are better at controlling the dialogue in this forum. Not that it matters in the real world since only people with unusual and unhealthy addictions to politics actually read these boards, but still, it seems like something that Obama supporters should have caught on to by now.

[blogslut]

127. I'll hand it to Ms.Clinton's DU fans, they are enthusiastic.

Sometimes I play with them. Sometimes I don't. Some people are tossing some pretty ugly ideas out there and that makes me sad. But once my candidate becomes the nominee, I am perfectly willing to welcome all the prodigal children.

[jackson_dem]

101. Herman is right. This is just the latest proven instance of Obama lying to voters...

[ProSense]

102. A racist with issues! Hillary lies and that is the hypocrisy of her supporters as they try to

project her flaws on to Obama. It is why the racists type in caps to scream that Obama is lying. It's projecting.

[jackson_dem]

105. Does Clinton go to a church with a racist pastor?

[rodeodance]

133. another sick post tossing out the race-card. SHAME ON YOU

[bridgit]

103. Well Doi! Honey...Wright "resigned" 19 months ago, well in time for this little run-up...

to the greatest 'whitey on the moon' smack-down of all time :headbang:

[mattclearing]

106. Hillary lies every fucking day.

Wah-wah-wah-wah.

You're still not getting the nomination. Cry all you want.

[rodeodance]

131. what a whiny rant----how many pillows do you need to cry on??

Wah-wah-wah-wah.

[IdClaire]

109. it's not going away anytime soon

this is just bad for Obama. I for one do not believe him when he says he didn't know Wright was preaching the things he was preaching until last year. Sorry, but when you work with someone for over 20 years, have him marry you and baptize your children, you know what that person is all about. I worry when he says he was his spiritual advisor, someone who says "God Damn America". Another thing, we will lose the White House over this as Republicans will hammer him into the ground with this.

[IdClaire]

110. it's not going away anytime soon

this is just bad for Obama. I for one do not believe him when he says he didn't know Wright was preaching the things he was preaching until last year. Sorry, but when you work with someone for over 20 years, have him marry you and baptize your children, you know what that person is all about. I worry when he says he was his spiritual advisor, someone who says "God Damn America". Another thing, we will lose the White House over this as Republicans will hammer him into the ground with this.

[JTFrog]

112. If that's the biggest crock you've heard, you obviously haven't been listening to yourself. n/t

[indimuse]

113. k&r

20 years...says it all.

[ecdab]

114. Is the point of this post to note that Obama isn't the "establishment"

candidate and that Hillary is?

This Rev. Wright story is showing how twisted America can be. "look at the black man who has a friend that is pissed about the way black people have been treated in this county - what a whack job!"

[rateyes]

119. This from the same guy that defended Ferraro's racist remarks?

You're a riot, Herman.

[rodeodance]

120. Was Ferraro Right?

i have always thought she was right. even defended her. yet i came to realize being right didn't count if the timing is off.
in the middle of an already charged primary--it blew up. i wonder if America will ever really is discuss this issue?


http://news.aol.com/political-machine /


Was Ferraro Right?
By Faye Anderson

Mar 13th 2008 5:22PM

Filed Under: Democrats

In the real world, a gaffe happens when someone is caught in an awkward situation. But it's been said in politics, a "gaffe is when a politician tells the truth."

While Hillary Clinton has apologized for Geraldine Ferraro's racially offensive remark about Barack Obama, Ferraro says "it was a statement of fact, and that's it, nothing more and nothing less."

Political blogger Mickey Kaus thinks Ferraro was right: "She's not arguing that he's where he is because black voters are caught up in identity politics--more the opposite, that white and black voters alike are caught up in the idea of ending identity politics. Nor does she seem to be arguing it's wrong to be at least temporarily "caught up" in this concept. But the concept wouldn't be there if Obama was white."

Kaus observes: "If Obama were white, he wouldn't embody hopes of a post-racial future. Duh! That's part of his appeal. It seems obvious. Why does Obama dispute it? Why isn't Ferraro allowed to acknowledge it?"

[mtnsnake]

121. Yikes, when this story gets resurrected it'll look like a centipede's biography

Obama supporters better pray that Morning Blow or Tweety don't get their hands on this one.

[Hissyspit]

124. Did I miss the lie? If there's no lie, then so what?

[against all enemies]

125. Never saw the "I didn't have sex with that women" video I guess.

[rodeodance]

132. So many folks on this board are obsesed by Bills's penis!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

136. some days I could swear I am on the freeper board

[QC]

137. There's something very freeperish about it, isn't there?

Hmmm.

[hell-bent]

148. But rodeo, these creeps and Rethugs

just live vicariously through Clinton's schwantz by mentioning the BJ and the spots of the Blue Dress,etc. Their sex life is dull and I believe many "get off" on talking about Bill's sex escapades. Perversion?

[dave29]

155. if only Bill wasn't

.

[JoFerret]

228. Rev. Wright has the same problem

The right, Wright, and some Obama folk.

[rodeodance]

237. You are obsesed with Bill C. penis

[Warren Stupidity]

128. I cannot wait for primary season to end

so that you will have to shut the fuck up.

[otohara]

134. I Bet You Think Everything BO Says BS

His performance was fine - this will not sink him!

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

139. Defamation?

Examples of statements that have been determined by the courts to be defamatory are those that involve; allegations of embezzlement, lying, irresponsibility, lack of integrity, dishonesty, laziness, incompetence, not being eligible for rehire, insubordination, being a traitor to the company, or having committed a criminal act."

http://www.faceintel.com/defamation.htm

[Avalux]

141. He didn't just lie? He FUCKING lied?

And you are so FUCKING angry about it too! It's too bad Obama must distance himself from Wright; that's how our white man society operates though.

[Yurovsky]

149. The ALL CAPS proves he's a badass, too ...

I always say, don't taunt somebody posting in ALL CAPS. They'll hunt you down and shove your keyboard up your ass sideways. It happened to me once, I've still got the scars to prove it. Very, very painful.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. :hide:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

146. MOFO....Obama has played y'all like a cheap violin he and the good Rev are yuk yuk yuking it up

[avrdream]

150. Heh, heh.

So true.

Thank the powers that be that we have the superdelegates.

This shit is getting deep.

[jettison]

158. you

Every time someone likes you posts expletives in CAPS as if you were bitter and screaming, any person that may have been affected by your argument simply looks at you with pity and disdain. It's the shrill, angry, entitled, embittered responses and attacks from Hillary that are causing her to lose this race to begin with and turning off voters that used to be sympathetic to her. I use to be a Hillary supporter, but all the overwhelming shrillness that marks her campaign now makes that impossible.

"Your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying." - Greg Graffin

What "Obama-cultist", or whatever derogatory word you'd like to call those who support him, do you feel would read that kind of statement and then conclude, "Oh, wow. Herman Munster totally has a point there. I think I'll vote for Hillary now."

You know very well that no one will be swayed by your derogatory post. Just like Hillary, you become "The Great Divider" rather then someone who softens his voice, speaks politely, and addresses actual issues.

When you write things that obviously have no purpose other then to rattle chains, then you become little more then the monkey in the cage sreaming, (in all caps of course), "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!"

[alteredstate]

160. This proves NOTHING

When Senator Obama announced his run for the presidency, Pastor Wright wasn't one of the speakers. Obama and Wright said this was because Obama heard that some of Wright's sermons were controversial. Obama made a prudent decision --- Wright isn't a consultant or surrogate for the Obama campaign.

Why is this such a big deal? Has Hillary Clinton publicly renounced her brother for his financial dealings with people pardoned by her husband Bill? Should we demand that she do so?

[pedo]

161. what no one dares to say

his pastor is right. you people live in lala land. you got a glimpse of reality during katrina and quickly erased it from your memory.

[The Doctor.]

215. "No One"? Really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5100085

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5091981

Look around a little.

And welcome to DU... you picked a hell of a time to jump in.

:hi:

[Blondiegrrl]

163. Fortunately, Hillary is a bigger fucking liar than Obama could ever aspire to be.

He's got a long ways to catch up to her.

[grantcart]

199. Well as has been remarked by some of her top former supporters

she is really good at it - Bill too

[bobthedrummer]

164. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

Let's be honest, Hillary is just as big a LIAR as her husband and his former cabinet/staff members inside the RW founded and funded Democratic Party political machine that threw all of us (that comprise the traditional Democratic base and voters) under the bus decades ago.

As to your OP, DF posted this at TPM Cafe earlier today-it is gaining a lot of traction on blogs and web sites

"Truth Time: Wright Is Right"
http://www.commondreams.org/2008/03/15/7702/

[madrchsod]

166. OH MY GOD!!!!!!

HIDE THE CHILDREN IN THE BASEMENT..TAPE THE WINDOWS...MAKE SURE THERE IS PLENTY OF WATER AND FOOD..

BARACK"FUCKING LIED THIS EVENING" THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END.....

[Hamlette]

169. I didn't hear him lie, I heard him say he had not heard some of the stuff

of course, I wouldn't expect a Hill supporter to see the real world.

[mdmc]

170. big deal

[Mike03]

171. You are way too intelligent to make posts like this. NT

[Avalux]

172. Second time I'm posting here, just because I can't believe this thing got 44 recs. n/t

[Mike03]

173. I can't believe it either.

Thanks for making this post.

I agree with this person, that I cannot believe anyone recommended this thread.

[Mike03]

There's no doubt in my mind you are intelligent

How can you make a post like this one?

All of my respect for you has gone entirely out the window.

[Mike03]

174. There's no doubt in my mind you are intelligent

How can you make a post like this one?

All of my respect for you has gone entirely out the window.

[BlueJac]

175. Your title is low mentality........

use that language in the body of hateful comments.........

[Divine Discontent]

221. THANK YOU, I agree 100% BlueJac EOM

[bluerum]

176. OK. He did. So what? Next.

[The Doctor.]

216. Can you tell me what the lie is?

I really haven't seen it. I must have missed something.

[WoodyM]

177. Obama for twenty years

has been a member of his church. The pastor married Obama and his wife, baptized his children, dedicated Obama’s house and has been his sounding board. Obama’s book “Audacity of Hope” is from a sermon of his pastor. His pastor was one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Obama consulted and prayed with him before announcing his candidacy for the presidency last year. There is an undeniable close relationship between the pastor and Obama.
The pastor called the US the number one killer, preached that we were responsible for AIDS, 9/11, Mandela’s imprisonment and apartheid, Palestinian plight and on and on. Not just one sermon or two but many sermons over a long period.

Now Obama wants us to believe that he did not know what was being preached in his own church. I am sorry but I just cannot believe that.

[citizen snips]

178. K&R

[maximusveritas]

180. Where's the fucking lie?

I hate it when people accuse others of lying without ever providing evidence.

[gaiilonfong]

182. Munster cheese STINKIN UP THE PLACE AGAIN

wassup, HillaryIS44 not getting enough trolls there for you to whine with?

LOSER

[texshelters]

184. Get over it

Here's what I think about this Republican Scandal:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5102027&mesg_id=5102027

Tex Shelters

[George II]

186. Who care? Overall, who is the better candidate, SANS "skeletons"? OBAMA!!!!

[rodeodance]

236. BO has only begun to be vetted. HRC is the best candidate with the ability to carry out her plans.

[Eric J in MN]

188. Obama said he wasn't familiar with specific quotes from Rev. Wright...

...not that he had no idea that Rev. Wright had said controversial things.

[shenmue]

190. Have you seen the loony evangelicals on TV?

These people are no day at the beach. They are not liberal by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do they want to be.

Read any of the books, hear any of the speeches, by the Rapture fandango bunch and you'll see, they're as apocalyptic as Falwell ever was.

I love how Obama gets to play both sides of the fence and only now is he getting tagged for it. His friends are racist and anti-gay, but if you ask about them, you get told, "How dare you?!"

It's called a double standard.

[ksquire]

191. LOL. You used the word fuck! How edgy.

This is such a non-story. So his pastor said some pro-black Afro-centric things. That's the nature of black churches -- and one of the reasons they have held black communities together in the face of such horrible racism in this country.

Hillary supporters need to remember that Barack Obama's mother was a white woman. He is 1/2 white himself.

[izzybeans]

201. Post hoc ergo propter hoc

google "logical leap"

[StevieM]

202. Obama wakes up lying and goes to bed lying. That's all he knows (eom)

x

[gtar100]

219. That would be true of everyone.

eom

[orleans]

224. i don't get your point. where is the lie? what are you talking about? n/t

[Skarbrowe]

229. I think Obama is where he is right now because he has a megawatt smile

and amazing speaking voice and he's intelligent. Yeah, I think his looks have helped him a lot. heh

What was the OP? Oh, and yes, it will be very upsetting, to say the least, when they show clips of Obama saying he was never in the pew when any of these types of sermons were given. His wife is a devoted follower and church goer and so is Barack. You know someone is at this very moment looking for proof that Obama was not quite truthful. It's always the lie that gets you. I happen to like what I've seen of Reverend Wright's speeches. In college I had many a history class on what not so great things this country did and you can still see them going on to this day. I also lived a little bit of it.

The problem for me and Obama in this case isn't a misunderstanding of the African American experience. Most people I know that have called themselves Democrats for the over 50 years I've been on this planet know very well about the cancer this country has always had when it comes to race. I can't speak for a Black person, because I'm an old white woman. I can say growing up poor and watching my mother stay with a man who was useless and dangerous - that she was told by a lawyer that she couldn't get a divorce because he would get custody isn't a pleasant experience. She was an uneducated woman who couldn't afford to raise children. She divorced him anyway and then things got real hard. She was called names. You know the ones. She worked seven days a week and she did it all in high heels dancing backwards.

I was left to run the streets at age 8 and my first friends were Black and Puerto Rican. I thought I had it bad. After seeing what they went through, segregated class rooms, not being allowed past "this" street, I felt that I never, ever had a right to complain. And I didn't. For years I never realized we were poor. Had to live in a Greek family's basement apartment. They didn't speak English and thought my Mom was a "dirty woman."

Sorry, all this talk about if you happen to be for Hillary or if you saw that Obama lied and that it might come back at him in the general and you really, really don't want McCain to be President,... you're head is constantly spinning because you can't believe that Democrats are turning on Democrats like this. None of it makes any sense. I'm voting for the Democratic candidate in November. It's a no brainer.

Haven't any of you watched an election season before? Don't you recall anyone getting a little carried away at times and then when it's all over, ya just gotta kiss and make up. Or at least look like you have.

At the rate we are going now, given 5 weeks or so before people can watch the big PA election night, which I agree that Obama doesn't need to win..to win it all..my god..we'll all be a bloody oozing mess.

[PerfectSage]

230. Actually your post is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard in my entire life.

Give me a fucking break, from your newsmax patriotism.

Barack Obama is genetically superior to Hillary Clinton or John McCain. So shove that up your newsmax patriotic ass.
:rofl:

[npincus]

239. Enough of this bullshit already! And prepare for President McCain.