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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:44 PM
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A reality check and a little perspective for everyone.
For Obama supporters: come on, don't buy the Clinton meme circulating on DU. Everyone is seeing the truth of the matter, not the Clintons' spin on it. Pastor Wright made comments that reflect his, and only his, opinions. Period.

For Clinton supporters: truth is unbeatable!
(And so is Obama)

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New York Times: Obama Denounces His Pastor’s Statements

In the handful of years Senator Barack Obama has spent in the national spotlight, his stance toward his pastor has gone from glowing praise to growing distance to — as of Friday — strong criticism.

On Friday, Mr. Obama called a grab bag of statements by his longtime minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., “inflammatory and appalling.”

“I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue,” he wrote in a campaign statement that was his strongest in a series of public disavowals of his pastor’s views over the past year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15wright.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Pastor Leaves Obama Campaign

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of “guilt by association.”

Obama’s campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.

Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881/


Controversial Pastor Off Obama Campaign

A Chicago minister who delivered a fiery sermon about Sen. Hillary Clinton having an advantage over Sen. Barack Obama in the presidential race because she is white is no longer a part of the Obama campaign.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no longer serving on the African American Religious Leadership Committee, campaign sources told CNN.

In another sermon, Wright had said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself.

The announcement of Wright's departure from the Obama camp came after the Illinois senator on Friday denounced some of the ministers's sermons, calling them "inflammatory and appalling."

"I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies," Obama wrote on the liberal Web site Huffingtonpost.com about recently surfaced sermons from Wright -- his longtime pastor at the Trinity United Church of Christ.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minister/index.html


ABC News: Controversial Pastor Gone From Campaign Committee

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: During an interview with MSNBC's Keith Olberman, Sen. Barack Obama confirmed that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no longer on the Obama campaign spiritual advisory committee.

When asked if the decision came from the campaign or from Wright, Obama was short on specifics, saying only, "I think there was a recognition that he’s on the verge of retirement, he’s taking a sabbatical and that it was important for him to step out of the spotlight in this situation."

Obama said that the did not know the extent of Wright's controversial comments until recently. He confirmed that he was not in the church when Wright made the comments that were reported this week.

"I wasn't in church during the time that these statement were made," Obama said. "I did not hear such incendiary language myself, personally. Either in conversations with him or when I was in the pew, he always preached the social gospel."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/obama-comments.html


ABC News: Obama Condemns Pastor's Fiery Remarks: Says He Looked to Rev. Jeremiah Wright For Spiritual Advice, Not Political Guidance

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday denounced inflammatory remarks from his pastor, who has railed against the United States and accused its leaders of bringing on the Sept. 11 attacks by spreading terrorism.

As video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has widely aired on television and the Internet, Obama responded by posting a blog about his relationship with Wright and his church, Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, on the Huffington Post.

Obama wrote that he's looked to Wright for spiritual advice, not political guidance, and he's been pained and angered to learn of some of his pastor's comments for which he had not been present. Obama's statement did not say whether Wright would remain on his African American Religious Leadership Committee, and campaign officials wouldn't say either.

"I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies," Obama said. "I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Reverend Wright that are at issue."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/14/politics/main3940680.shtml


FOX News: Obama Slams Sermons

Barack Obama on Friday, in a written statement and then in an interview with FOX News, issued his firmest denunciation to date of his longtime Chicago pastor and described the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.’s anti-U.S. remarks as “inflammatory and appalling.”

Obama, in an interview Friday with FOX News’ Major Garrett, said he has been a member of the church since the early 1990s after working with the congregation as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago.

He was married at Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, had his children baptized by Wright and donated money to the church, but he said he first learned of many of the pastor’s controversial statements only when they were aired in the media in recent days.

“None of these statements were ones I had heard myself personally in the pews,” Obama told FOX News. “Once I saw them I had to be very clear about the fact that these are not statements that I am comfortable with. I reject them completely they are not ones that reflect my values or my ideals.”

He said the sermons now sparking controversy didn’t resemble the sermons he remembers from Wright, which, Obama said, stuck to messages of faith, values and helping people in the community.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obama-calls-chicago-pastors-fiery-remarks-inflammatory-and-appalling/

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:46 PM
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1. I don't know how much more straightforward this could be, and thank
you for the links!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:47 PM
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2. Facts speak volumes.
:D
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:47 PM
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3. I don't think Clinton's campaign was behind this one
I read somewhere that someone on McCain's staff helped circulate it. And it's also possible that Obama's camp put it out now during the lull. I have not seen any evidence to suggest that the Clinton campaign had anything to do with this, and Wolfson even said it was a non-issue.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:50 PM
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5. I'm not sure she did either.
I think it will be clearer in the next day or two, but I think you're right, it's McCain. (Which to me shows that he knows he will be facing Obama, not Clinton, in November, but that's another thread...)

No, by the Clinton meme I'm referring to the way they've jumped on top of this as evidence that "he's done." That couldn't be farther from the truth - actually, I bet in a week or so we'll look back and see that the way he handled this was actually a bonus for him.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:41 PM
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17. I'm an Obama supporter and I don't think the Clinton
campaign was behind this, either.
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Venceremos Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:50 PM
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20. Don't think it's a Democrat
Both the Rezko and Wright stories wreak of the Rove/Republican attack machine. Then if Hillary wins in Penn, they'll start up with her, then back to Obama, and so on. It's starting to worry me.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:48 PM
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4. Thanks for the links AZ!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:05 PM
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6. No prob!
PS - I like your signature line!!!
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:13 PM
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7. Thanks for the perspective.
I think Obama really handled this well. Straight-forward and direct.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:27 PM
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10. He acted switfly and decisively.
But - he also didn't throw the guy under the bus.

What great Presidential qualifications!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:35 AM
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28. .
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:14 PM
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8. I'm having a good time and starting to enjoy this race again.
Barack is handling this attempted clusterfuck deftly.

I love watching this guy work. :hi:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:25 PM
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9. It really is pretty incredible!
He's going to make one hell of a President - I can't wait!!!

:hi:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:29 PM
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11. thanks for making a hell of a lot of sense!!
...i was getting a little pissed off reading some of the other threads.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:33 PM
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13. Those are the threads of folks with their fingers crossed hoping that
hell freezes over or anything else that might spell doom for this supremely qualified empathetic man running to become the President of the United State of America!
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:10 AM
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26. yea, the desperation stinks but it is getting old now.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:31 PM
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12. Does anybody here remember Jimmy Carter's church?
I sure do. I remember having heated discussions about it with people back in the 70s.

You see, Jimmy Carter belonged to a very racist church: it voted to bar black people from becoming members. It was segregated. None of us believed that Jimmy Carter was a racist (he was purportedly the only member of that congregation in Plains to vote for allowing black people).

But he did not leave that church--and he was deeply criticized for it. In fact, it took him several decades to finally renounce the Southern Baptist Convention and to leave the denomination ... long after he had left the presidency.

Now, Rev. Wright's comments neither surprised nor offended me particularly. I do not see them as racist. But neither do I believe these are the ideas of Barack Obama. Quickly and definititively, he has said they are not. Like Hillary, we should "take him on his word." Nothing in his 20 years of public life and service indicate that he is either separatist, racist, nor un-American. Nothing. He has, on the other hand, stood up in the Illinois legislature to pass laws that prevent racial profiling, and based on the proven torture of many black men in Illinois prisons, he even got a law passed that requires the videotaping of all confessions--the first (and perhaps still only) law of its kind in the nation. As a black man, and a Christian, and a liberal, he has an obligation to stand up for his people, and against injustice of any kind. But he has been a senator, both state and federal, for all the people. If he weren't, he wouldn't have been eleccted so overwhelmingly here, and he wouldn't have won the Illinois primary, where people know him, by such astounding margins (far larger than Hillary won against him in her home state of New York.)

So let's put this to an end--remembering Jimmy Carter's truly racist and offensive church in Plains, Georgia.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:50 PM
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19. I didn't know that. Wow, new perspective. n/t
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:36 PM
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14. This would be a bigger problem if Obama was a candidate more like Al Sharpton, but Obama's
entire adult life has been about reducing bitter division and harsh rhetoric.

And I don't mean to criticize Sharpton, but he is more associated with being a strong (some would say strident) advocate on issues of concern in the black community. Wright would reinforce some people's concerns about a candidate like Sharpton.

Since Wright's comments are so different from Obama's worldview, they don't make a lot of people think, "aha! I knew it!" And those that would aren't going to be voting for Obama anyway (and probably not Hillary either).
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:38 PM
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15. Those looking to a string of MSM headlines for reality or perspective will be disappointed
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:53 PM
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23. Can I ask you a question?
Since I see you kind of pissing on both of the Dem candidates for President, what constructive actions would you like to see this board and the party take today.

You're great as a contrary point of view but I'd really like to know what you think should happen - not just criticize what didn't happen earlier.

If you're willing to share, I'd really like to know.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:10 AM
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27. First, get real votes in FL and MI (We cannot have a nominee based on only 90% of the nation)
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 12:12 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Second, hope against hope that Hillary comes back strong enough that all but the most die-hard persecutionists admit she won legitimately, albeit narrowly.

Third, run a Clinton/Obama ticket and win in November.

That's my hope. I wouldn't call it a plan. I am fairly confident that's the only path to victory. Obama gets crushed in the general with massive defections of Reagan Dems. Hillary splits the party with youth and AA voters. And Obama/Clinton is the worst ticket I can immagine... all the downside of Hillary as a personality and Republican hate-magnet combined with all the downside of Obama as a CIC candidate. A bad, bad national ticket. It would look like a kid taking his mom along on a date.

So my proposal is the only dim light I can see for November.

I do have little respect for our candidates, but I have little respect for big-time politicians in general. But my dumping is usually on supporters more than candidates. (I draw a distinction, even if some supporters seem to have reached a point of total personal identification.)

Sorry for the snark in your thread. I just don't think optimism about this Wright business is warranted.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:39 PM
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16. None of this matters unless he can confiscate or erase all of the tapes.
This will not go away. Obama is done.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:51 PM
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21. I was wondering why they broke the story before the nom was settled.
Now we see that they are rectifying their mistake.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:48 PM
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18. He denounces only after it becomes a political problem for him.
So Bama claims he never heard any of the stuff on the youtube vids. Do you think a guy like Wright ever gave a sermon that didn't express what his mind is made of? Can't be done. Bama has heard plenty. Does anyone think Bama didn't really know how his mentor's mind worked?

There will be more excerpts from sermons and Bama claiming he wasn't there that day either. Soon we'll reach a critical mass. Tonight the press helped him with some first aid.

It's not over yet.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:52 PM
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22. There were no youtubes of his paster until 72 hours ago......
...Obama saw them, unless he was in the congregation those days, the same time you and I did.

When ABCNews and others started showing them.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:56 PM
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24. Wright spoke out AGAINST homophobia and sexism. He spoke about ending poverty.
Apparently, he spoke up for equality and loving one another.

That doesn't sound like a hatemonger preacher to me. In fact, in these instances, Wright sounds kind of inspirational.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:53 PM
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29. I agree with the majority of what Wright says.
Not absolutely 100% of it, but I don't think I know anyone that I agree with 100%.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 12:00 AM
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25. The "Bama" thing expresses disrepect at best,
I am sure worse has been done to Hillary...but it is bad form in any case. We will have a repug to beat in the GE, and better if we try to get along a bit better here.

The content of your post is well-put food for thought, otherwise.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:54 PM
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30. Calling Sen. Obama "Bama" is rude and disgusting.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:57 PM
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31. He has learned from Kerry's failures.
He's out in front of this thing, and working hard to create the necessary distance.

I hope it works.

-Laelth
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:05 PM
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32. Seems to be - this isn't even really news today.
There are a few rabid RW's still talking about it (including here on DU) but what else do you expect from them?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:47 PM
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33. I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
Barack Obama is something else.

It feels wonderful to back a candidate who's running a competent campaign. I can see why the Hillary supporters are so frustrated.

-Laelth
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