John Kerry is a Douchebag....

[AntiCoup2K4]

....but I'm voting for him anyway.

http://johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/

[codegreen]

1. "That is to say, he's not actually a douchebag" but the domain name stays?

from the site:
"Well, not really. That is to say, he's not actually a douchebag, or not nearly as much of one as what the media, George W., and even perhaps John Kerry himself have made him out to be. It seemed that every time I saw, heard, or read something about Kerry, his doucheness factor increased. It wasn't until I did just a little research on my own that it became clear that all of these occurrences could be explained as lies, deception, media excess, or simply poor campaigning strategy."

but sure he's a douchebag let's put that in big bold letters at the top of the screen.

purist douchebags.

[Jim Sagle]

2. Yeah, this what we want...positivity.

:nopity:

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. Hey, you can't deny it's an original approach.

It's obviously geared to a conservative audience, trying to get them to vote against Junior. And would probably be just as effective in doing so as any pathetic pandering to the right that the DLC is planning.

[ben_]

52. Lets convince democrats

I find there is much critisism on this site and not much rational arguments to convince the undecided.

I created this text that I use to try to convince republicans sometimes. you can use it as much as you want! Spread the word!!!

"Social services have been shown to increase the flow of money because people in good health are more productive. There are all kinds of psychological and physical advantages to having these programs. Why do you think that even the most money driven corporations usually force their employees at taking a huge part of their salary in benefices? It is because they know those healthy employees are productive employees. If the government provided a greater part of these things to its citizens it would increase productivity and quality of life in general. You have to increase taxes so that it is viable but the tax increase to corporations isn’t as high as it looks. It won’t drive companies away because they also save a lot. They don’t need to provide as much benefices to their employees since the government provides it instead. The companies benefit from workers that have profited from social services all their life and are therefore more qualified, more psychologically balanced and are able to compete better in the global economy. Therefore, the number of jobs increases, specially the good ones that need higher education and that have good pay.

True, there are cheaters in the system. And there are probably lots of them. But I believe you should not go out of your way to punish them, that’s just punishing yourself. You should not impair your life and the life of everyone else just so that no one else profit from your work. You should try to do everything you can that dissuade the cheating by tailoring the system so that it is not advantageous to cheat, but only if it doesn’t impair your lifestyle to do so. Cutting social services impairs your lifestyle and raises the cost of living. I know humans have an instinct against freeloaders, there’s a bell that rings in our head at the thought of the possibility of being exploited. Basic instincts can help us lots of times, but we have the advantage over animals that we are intellectual beings. Don’t let that basic instinct get to you when your intellect can tell you that you are better off if you just ignore the freeloaders sometimes. Be proud of your legacy to society and to America. Don’t be scared it will just benefit the freeloaders. Be glad that you made a better place to live for the other hard workers which are doing the same for you. Yes if you look at it directly I can see how it can seem to benefit mostly others, but it is as much for your benefit, the benefit of the economy and of corporations. You have to look at the big picture. It will be very beneficial for you that everyone around you is competent and sane. There are high costs associated with the opposite situation. You’re right taking your hard earned money and forcing you to give it to others for no reason is bad. But this is for your benefit. It also acts as a kind of insurance to you. If ever you or a member of your family gets really sick or you loose your house and everything you own in a disaster, you will have government help to fall on.

I firmly believe capitalism (or profit maximization) is the only way for countries to work well. It is a form of economic survival of the fittest where the better, easier, cheaper alternative is the one that thrives. It is the most natural way to efficient life. But I still think you have to be intelligent about it and not view only the direct obvious causality link (my money goes to the poor), but the big picture where the sum of all direct and indirect advantages are accounted for.

One argument towards taxing the rich is that, you can rarely "hard work" your way into making a salary of $1000000 a year. If you do make that salary it’s probably that you inherited money, you manipulated the market (possibly illegally), or you were just plain lucky (you put your money at the right place at the right time). You may have worked hard. But the hard work usually doesn't account for that high a salary. I think people who have acquired their wealth through, manipulation, luck, or inheritance, should be the first ones to be taxed a lot because they haven’t worked for their money.

Also assuming we keep the incentive to be productive constant, there is a fixed amount of resources and wealth in a country. That means each time we let someone make a $1000 000/year salary that’s ten hard working, educated people that have to work at McDonald instead of making $100 000/year each in a good job that’s uses their education.

The democrats have been known to give more social services than the republicans yet the unemployment rate was at its lowest during the Clinton administration. That means that even with the social services they manage to keep the freeloaders to a very low level. The numbers prove that. If social services would be making people lazy, the unemployment rate would have gone up. So basically the Clinton administration managed to give the US citizen the benefit of social services without making more freeloaders profit from the system.

What is nice about social services is that the positive effects are multiplicative. Assuming that the person that has been helped by the government is not just leeching, (You know there still exist good people) this person has more chance of being able to help others which themselves will be able to help others. So indirectly by helping one person the governments have helped a lot of people. For example if a parent gets help, he or she will be more apt at raising her children at helping them, helping their friends etc… Plus the indirect effect will usually not spread to freeloaders because people do not like helping them.

We democrats think that working with each other rather than against each other is a lot better. War only provokes retaliation and more violence. Look at the way its going in the Middle East. Violence just doesn’t work. Israel and Palestine are only going to solve their problems the day they stop using force to solve their problems. They’re going to have to swallow their pride one after the other and stop constant retaliation. Haven’t you seen the mafia movies do you think mobsters are dealing with their problems in a civilized manner? Do you think acting like mobsters on an international level is okay?

"

[Pastiche423]

11. It might help

if Kerry showed a little posivitity......... or enthusiasm.

What's he running for, again?

Please wake me up when you find out.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

[Forkboy]

47. Aw Jim,the site RAWKS dude!

[Jim Sagle]

50. No WAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Capn Sunshine]

3. Yeah. I'm right there with him.

lol

[Skinner]

4. If this is what it takes to get some folks to vote for Kerry...

...then I'm all for it. :)

"Why it's crucial that you, I, and everyone else cast a vote for Kerry this fall... NO MATTER WHAT."

:thumbsup:

[KC21304]

10. I'm disappointed.

[mzmolly]

41. Im with you!

:toast:

[Name removed]

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[AntiCoup2K4]

12. It's AntiCoup2K, and I do believe that was a personal attack.

Obviously somebody didn't read the attached link. ;)

[KC21304]

17. I read the link and I emailed to tell him/her he needn't bother

writing the essays.

[IronLionZion]

6. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way

eh, he's far from perfect but he's got my vote.

[KC21304]

8. AntiCoup is a . . . . . .

very clever . . . . . .

[lojasmo]

9. I'm a douchebag

And I'd vote for me over bush too. In fact, there are not many douchebags out there who I wouldn't vote for if they were running against Bush.

[mobuto]

14. When you run two douchebags

the douchebag wins every time.

Fortunately, John Kerry ain't no douchebag.

15. really?

being so self effacing isn't helping the flame war generating potentials of this thread at all!:)

[RobertSeattle]

13. It's better to be the douchebag than the douche...

[West Coast Democrat]

16. Where and why did calling people "douchebag" originate?

[KC21304]

19. Didn't Dan Burton call Clinton. . . . .. that name ?

[West Coast Democrat]

21. Probably........

it's a term often used by 13 year-old boys.

[bitchkitty]

38. No, he called him a scumbag. n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

29. In my personal experience, Jr. High School

This is about the level of discourse which when used in proper context, annoys people no end.

[Toucano]

32. Yes. It quickly became a favorite of adolescent boys. n/t

[KoKo]

40. Agree, it's been "scrawled on the locker room walls since well ....a long

time. :D....Wonder who thought that one up? Gack!

[aquart]

18. Ah, the sexist approach.

Always so attractive.

[mitchum]

20. Cool! "Douchebags for 'a douchebag' in 2004" is fine...

with me :)
Sen Kerry is not a douchebag, but as long as you guys vote for him...

[West Coast Democrat]

22. Kerry makes me feel "fresh as a summer's eve"

[KC21304]

23. There you go !

:)

[KC21304]

24. Can't imagine a thread started like this being allowed

in primary season before we had a presumptive nominee. Like Dean is a douchebag, or Kucinich is a douchebag. I know I would have objected. Oh, well.

[AntiCoup2K4]

25. After 6 replies in this thread, you must not hate it that much.

Besides, in case you missed the point of the guy's page, he's trying to get your boy some votes. What's wrong with that?

[KC21304]

34. Sometimes you have to stick up for your candidate.

And I didn't miss the point of the guy's page or your's either.

[w13rd0]

26. In order for us to achieve a margin...

...that isn't "too close to call" (aka "close enough to cheat"), we need to not only encourage people to vote for Kerry for the positive reasons, we also need to enourage some to hold their nose and vote for him, and still others, we need to convince them to vote 3rd party or stay home instead of voting for Bush. It's gonna take all kinds of approaches.

[corporatewhore]

27. john kerry is a douchebag and i aint voting for him

cause i live in texas if i lived in a swing state i would and vomit in the poll booth and then take ten showers

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. I'm with you. I won't be voting for the douchebag either.

I live in Washington and don't imagine that I'll have to be doing any puking or over cleansing either.

[ibegurpard]

28. Why would anyone be offended by this?

Other than for possible sexist undertones (but that's another discussion)? Isn't this exactly what the whole "Anybody but Bush" idea is about? It's not enough that people can't stand him but are going to vote for him anyway? They have to love him, too? Jesus Christ, some of you people are pieces of work!

[JHBowden]

31. Hey, I'm not complaining.

Every progressive voter that comes on board is one less conservative retard we have to pander to.

[AntiCoup2K4]

35. Yeah, but try telling that to the DLC

They want to pander to all the conservative retards. The conservative retards have Bush, and if Bush is going to lose them, he's doing a fine job of that on his own.

It ain't the right wingers who are considering a Nader defection.

[JHBowden]

36. Fortunately, we have Kerry as a candidate.

Kerry is one of the most liberal members of the Senate. Though Graham, Dean, and Lieberman were closer to the right than Kerry, Moseley-Braun, and Kucinich, we need both wings of the party if we are going to win.

If one wants the party to become more liberal, voting for Nader isn't the answer. Here's my argument. By taking the left away from us, Nader forces the party to move to the middle to remain competitive. Nader has said since the 1970s that Democrats losing elections is supposed to move the country to the left, but I cannot recall a case where this has happened.

[SpongeBob]

49. How is Kerry so liberal?

He voted for war in Iraq, tax cuts for the rich, aginst raising minimum wage, and didn't even bother to vote on the recent medicare and overtime pay bills (he and Edwards were too busy campaigning). However, I'll vote for ("the douchebag")anyway.

[seaglass]

42. Dean is an anal suppository but I'm still joining DFA.

Wheeeee, this is FUN!

[drfemoe]

44. Yeah, leaving out the "sexual undertones" ...

a DOUCHE/Enema is EXACTLY what this country needs!! Begin the therapeutic cleansing NOW.

o A stream of water, often containing medicinal or cleansing agents, that is applied to a body part or cavity for hygienic or therapeutic purposes.

o A jet or current of water or vapor directed upon some part of the body to benefit it medicinally; a douche bath.

Clean 'em out!!

[blondeatlast]

48. ROFLMAO! See--this is just what we needed!

[Toucano]

30. I love it!

It's an original approach. I can see it helping disheartened Republicans "swallow" their necessary Kerry vote.

"It wasn't until I did just a little research on my own that it became clear that all of these occurrences could be explained as lies, deception, media excess, or simply poor campaigning strategy. It is beyond vital that we all overlook these minor blemishes and unpleasantries, and unite in electing John Kerry to be the next president of the United States of America."

[no name no slogan]

33. Anybody remember that old SNL skit about the Douchebags?

It was the last show of the original cast, in 1980. "Lord and Lady Douchebag" was the name of the skit. Lots of good lines about whether Lord Douchebag was going to run for parliament that year, because "we really do need a Douchebag in the government".

And of course, the worst line of the whole skit: "Anything to drink, Lady Douchebag?" "Oh, just vinegar and water, please."

[Mobius]

37. yeah and rethugs would jump all over that site

and say "Look they don't believe in him but they are voting for him anyway! They don't believe in anything, Bush does, vote for Bush!"
Cute attempt to try to get attention, but ultimately destructive toward Kerry. Sorry, that site is immature. :thumbsdown:

[KoKo]

39. Good Grief! Is this what it's come to?

:crazy:

[eumesmo]

43. LOL nt

[NewYorkerfromMass]

45. The address line convinced me you made it up

but lo and behold..... LOL!!!! I essentially agree with Skinner. If this is what it takes, I'm all for it!

Especially looking forward to the essays:

How Fucked We are Right Now
and
How Fucked We will be With 4 More Years of George W. Bush

LOL

[fujiyama]

46. I'm with Skinner on this

I have no problem with the website. Removing Bush is priority number one. I don't agree that Kerry is a douchebag (though I don't think he's been very courageous politically as of late).

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. Oh man! I LOVE the Domain Name!

Fuuuuuuunny, funny, funny! The web site is great.....whatever it takes to get that asshole squatter out of Gore's White House.

Douche Bag? I like it! :7 Hehehehe

[IronLionZion]

54. That site links to DU

so how bad can it be? I bet the guy who made it is a DUer.

[liarliartieonfire]

55. Not like the White House isn't in need of a good douching!

It needs to be completely disinfected! Bush is a veneral disease.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. HELL YEAH douchebag for President!

ABB means ABB