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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:39 PM
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ward churchill lost tenure for, amoung other things, a piece titled
"chickens come home to roost"

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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:44 PM
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1. He did? That sucks. k&r n/t
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:44 PM
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2. That is a lie
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:45 PM by Nederland
I live in Boulder Colorado and my wife works for the University of Colorado. That is decidedly NOT why Ward Churchill lost tenure. He lost tenure for committing plagiarism. Educate yourself before posting such nonsense.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:55 PM
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3. did you see the "amoung other things" part? yes, I know the
plagiarism, but it all started with the "chickens" piece.

I don't need to educate myself, I was here, I watched the whole thing.

I don't forget that CU is also the institution that paid mccartney's contract when he CHOSE to leave to start the promise keepers. taxpayers had to foot the bill for a religious nutjob's choice.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:47 PM
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4. Educate yourself
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 10:47 PM by Nederland
Here is the CU report:

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/download/WardChurchillReport.pdf

Read it.

You might find this passage interesting:

While the history of this matter is not before the Committee, it is well known that these charges were commenced only after Professor Churchill had published some highly controversial essays dealing with, among other things, the 9/11 tragedy. While not endorsing either the tone or the contents of those essays, the Committee reaffirms, as the University has already acknowledged, that Professor Churchill had a protected right to publish his views. In the Committee’s opinion, his right to do so was protected by both the First and Fourteenth Amendment guarantees of free speech. The aggressive pursuit of knowledge cannot proceed unless scientists, social scientists, and other researchers are permitted—and indeed encouraged—to present alternative and sometimes heretical positions and to seek to defend them in the court of academic opinion. Thus, the fact that Professor Churchill published those controversial essays was not part of the charge to the Committee and played absolutely no role in its deliberations.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:59 PM
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5. I did educate myself. regardless of what the report says, the fact
remains that the whole controversy started over that essay. I was here, I watched the whole thing. I don't need instruction from you about things I was witness to, thank you very much.

CU's reports have about as much validity as the 9/11 commission, and CU, ever since the mccartney thing, and the recent hiring of the new pres, has NO credibility with me.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:27 PM
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6. Got it
The actual report that revoked his tenure is not credible... :eyes:

Obviously discussing this with you is a complete waste of time.
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