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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:42 PM
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DUers rooting for and falling for Wrightgate, John McCain and NEWSMAX thank you. . .
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:47 PM by wndycty
. . .you took the bait. YOU TOOK THE FUCKING BAIT! The timing of this issue which broke A LONG TIME AGO, can be tracked back tot he fact that the McCain campaign was working the story. DUers you fell for hit.

From today's time.com:

-snip-
But by raising the bar, the McCain campaign subjects itself to greater scrutiny. So it is notable, as Jon Martin and Teddy Davis have already pointed out, that the campaign included an opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal in its packet of morning news clips emailed to reporters.

The article, by Ron Kessler, the editor of the right-wing NewsMax, is a withering (second-degree) attack on Obama for his relationship to the minister Jeremiah Wright. As has been reported before, Wright has criticized America as “the #1 killer in the world,” said the U.S. supported Zionism “shamelessly” and offered praise for Louis Farrakhan. Obama has already distanced himself from these comments and denounced Farrakhan. But Kessler implies nonetheless that Obama is fundamentally tainted person with a “radical record” who is concealing his nefarious beliefs, thanks to a lack of press scrutiny.

Kessler writes:

Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense. Much as most of us would appreciate the symbolism of a black man ascending to the presidency, what we have in Barack Obama is a politician whose closeness to Mr. Wright underscores his radical record.

So the question is this: Does the McCain campaign think Kessler’s article fits into the high standards which it has established? Or did someone on McCain’s staff make an unsupervised mistake at dawn by including this article in an official release?

Time will most certainly tell.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/03/mccain_campaign_treads_delicat.html

McCain camp draws attention to Obama pastorhttp://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0308/McCain_camp_draws_attention_to_Obama_pastor.html

4. McCain Camp Circulates WSJ Clip on Obama's Controversial Pastor:

In its morning email to reporters, the McCain campaign is circulating a Wall Street Journal op-ed by Ronald Kessler in which he writes that Obama's association with controversial pastor Jeremiah Wright raises "legitimate questions" about Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country.

The New York Post's Geoff Earle writes up Obama's controversial pastor under a "9/11 Slur by Obama Rev." header.

Over at NationalReview.com, Kathryn Jean Lopez writes that the more Americans hear about Obama's pastor, "the more they're going to have the audacity to look beyond Obama's inspirational milquetoast speeches, probing what makes him tick, what influences him, who advises him, what he believes."

Keying off the Ferraro dust-up, Jennifer Rubin writes for Human Events that it would have been "unimaginable" for McCain to raise the question of whether Obama would have gotten where he is if he were a white male and that the media would have "vilified him had he tried."

"Now he need not do it," she writes. "The issue is out there and will either serve to torpedo Obama's prospects for the nomination or perhaps slowly simmer, possibly creating a backlash against Obama among key swing voters in the general election."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 PM
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1. That the right-wingers agree is no reason to not condemn Wright
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 PM by Tarc
or condemn Obama for his association with the jerk. Your argument, per usual, is a case study in logical fallacy.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Give me a quote to condemn. . .
. . .give me a quote.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:04 PM
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24. Crickets: chirp . . . chirp . . .
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:05 PM
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27. Yup, FAUX NEWS, the WSJ, GMA and Newsmax. . .told them so it must be true
. . .it speaks very poorly for them doesn't it?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:08 PM
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32. Sure does. Yet, Keith Olberman is now persona non grata for speaking the truth. It's Bizarro World!
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:10 PM
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34. LOL. . .so true, so true
:kick:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:07 PM
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29. Oh gee, that's a tough one ... "God Damn America?"
How about that quote?

I can condemn the words, the speaker, and the candidate's long, close association with the speaker.

What if Obama had said that Louis Farrakhan was his spiritual advisor and long-time pastor?

Bake
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. wouldn't it be great...
if all the victims of our government and it's policies, could get together and do something about our God Damned Government?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 PM
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2. Gee! It was McCain? I thought it was all HIllary's fault!
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:46 PM
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5. Windy is getting his Obama-issued talking points mixed up today
I hear that they make handy boxes to store one's cue cards in nowadays.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:49 PM
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8. I'm not getting talking points. You don't them to see how Clinton and McCain race bait to win
:kick:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 PM
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The only race-baiting here is coming from the Obama camp
and the robots like you who serve as their Apologists-in-Chief.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:57 PM
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14. You a made the accusation now back it up. Evidence please?
:kick:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:35 PM
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46. What are you babbling about, kid?
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:36 PM by Tarc
We're talking about the must-reported controversial lines that come from Wright's own 2003 sermons. There are countless topics today that include the full text of what he has said, so if you need to read them, get your grubby little fingers a'typing and go find one.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. Quote a line for me then. Quote a damn line.
:kick:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:01 PM
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18. I'd like to sign up for the "Wacky Excuses For Obama's Behavior" email loop.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:01 PM by MethuenProgressive
It's always fun watching sixteen threads hit the greatest page at once all crying out with the same "LEAVE BARACK ALONE!" theme.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:33 PM
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44. Windy == Chris Crocker?


If it quacks like a duck...

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Hardly, but if that is the level you want to play the game go RIGHT THE FUCK AHEAD with it
:kick:
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:40 PM
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49. I believe I just did, playa
:hi:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:42 PM
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50. Have your fun. . .it not like you will have much to celebrate after Obama becomes the nominee. . .
. . .or when he is sworn in as president. LOL
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:42 PM
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58. Nah. Chris writes his own stuff.
:rofl:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:01 PM
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17. LOL
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:51 PM
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9. When your campaign says they're going to throw "the kitchen sink"...
Don't be surprised if that campaign becomes suspect #1 every time, regardless of the source.

You play with fire, you get burned.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:52 PM
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10. Exactly and as Olbermann said Clinton's camp signaled with its conduct that making race an issue. .
. . .was OK.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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22. Seems to me like this is Wright's fault
so much for personal responsibility
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:18 PM
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41. Wright is responsible for his own words. Correct.
Why shove his words into Obama's mouth? Whether he agrees with them, or not?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:52 PM
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11. I thought it was all HIllary's fault!
McCain and Hillary both have campaigns ran by the same people.

You could say they are running together from the two different sides of the aisle.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:53 PM
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12. As Olbermann said in his "special comment" the HRC camp has greenlit these types of attacks
:kick:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:01 PM
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19. But her campaign declined to comment on the Wright issue
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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23. There is no need to. . .
. . .and given the fact that they have signal it was OK to play this game, they have done what they set out to do.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:13 PM
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36. link for the signal please
I would be interested in seeing a signal from the Hillary Camp where she says it is okay that Wright says "god damn America"
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:18 PM
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40. Well you don't have to look much further than Ferraro, Shaheen, Penn, etc.
:kick:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:55 PM
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13. See #9
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:46 PM
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3. Sucks to be an Obama zealot then. nt
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:46 PM
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4. And you have your head stuck in the sand if you think
this isn't going to hurt.

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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:47 PM
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6. The Hillbots & DU Would Rather See Obama Fail If Hillary Can't Win
Talk about an agenda
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:58 PM
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15. Chicago Tribune: "In Wright he had found both a spiritual mentor and a role model."
The Chicago "We Endorse Obama For President" Tribune:
REV. JEREMIAH A. WRIGHT, JR.: Pastor inspires Obama's 'audacity'
Chicago Tribune: "In Wright he had found both a spiritual mentor and a role model."
"Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated."
"the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves."
When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Later he would base his 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention on a Wright sermon called "Audacity to Hope," --also the inspiration for Obama's second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope."

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:59 PM
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16. "took the bait" indeed! I'm surprised at how many were sucked right in,
hook, line, and sinker on the total non-issue of what Obama's church's pastor days.

So much wasted time, so many wasted words, and so much waste of brain.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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20. ChicagoTribune:"Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated."
ChicagoTribune:"Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated."
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:07 PM
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28. Yes, that's indeed a quote. It's been posted about 7 million times today.
And no matter how much it's posted, it's still meaningless.

I'm especially impressed that you quoted it twice in the same post.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:08 PM
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31. I wasn't able to see that post, what did it say?
:kick:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:14 PM
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38. The oh so cleverly 'damning' thing constantly being quoted today:
"Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated."

:eyes:

Because we all know that any true liberal and electable person has never, ever, ever associated with anyone who holds any opinion different than the liberal in question.

God knows that EVERYONE I've ever been associated with has been PERFECT and PERFECTLY LIKE ME in all respects. To do otherwise would be to be impure, and thus not a real liberal. Right?

Right.... :eyes:

I can understand why you are in the position that you couldn't read the other post.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:09 PM
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33. "it's still meaningless"? BO says "meaningless" things, you say?
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 02:10 PM by MethuenProgressive
Finally something we can agree on.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:16 PM
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39. Perhaps a course in reading comprehension for you would help.
:shrug:

I don't what post you were reading, but it certainly wasn't mine.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:03 PM
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21. Hillary and Ferraro opened that door. They're the ones you should be thanking.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:04 PM
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25. And Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, Bill Clinton, Andew Cuomo. . .
. . .etc.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:05 PM
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26. We Need To Protect Ourselves. This Story Is A Big Deal. They Will Use It To Oblivion In The GE.
That would exist with or without our opinions here. This situation is here. It is not going to go away. It WILL be used in the GE. We need to get our hands around it now.

You either care about winning in November or you don't. Those that do, need to take this issue seriously.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:11 PM
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35. It's clear, they DON'T care about November.
They're trusting Obama the Magic Man to pull a rabbit out of his hat and make Wright issue disappear.

I suspect that the day after the GE, they're going to be here crying about why they lost ...

Bake
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:36 PM
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57. Here is a good counter...
Many citizens attend church, and in those churches are pastors that are passionite about the gospel. Sometimes they forget or get caught in their message and either mis-speak, or deliver something questionable. For example... The pastor's supporting McCain have stated on occassion that LGBT will burn in hell. Now we all know that is just crazy speak. We would never wish such harm on our brothers and sisters - the bible teaches us that. But man is fallible, and makes mistakes. And in those times, I must respectfully disagree with what they have said.

So... By using a polarizing topic - such as LGBT rights and spirituality, he not only neutralizes the "pastor" comment, but also neutralizes the mindset that some people think is acceptable (even when it's clearly wrong).
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:08 PM
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30. If you can't see why it's bad for Obama and good for McCain,

this must be your first rodeo.

I want Dennis Kucinich to be president but when it comes down to a choice between Clinton and McCain, I'll
take Clinton.

I have been saying here for weeks that the media would turn on Obama and they did. It's their job to
pimp for the GOP.

Obama is done. Stick a fork in him and move on. Or get ready to welcome President McCain. Your choice,
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Ddan Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:33 PM
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45. What I don't understand is . . . .
The reverend said these things in DECEMBER and retired in FEBRUARY. Why are we making a big deal of it now????? I'll tell you why, because you can't find anything else to use against Barack. It's sad . .
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:13 PM
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37. HRC Fanatics Are Desperately Grasping At Any Straw...
Hoping that anything (no matter how absurd) will stick to Obama in hope that it will prevent the inevitable outcome.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Yes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend
Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, FAUX NEWS, WSJ, Newsmax, etc.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:29 PM
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43. There is a contingent of DU...
that is rooting for anything that will bring Obama down. No matter what. They are like rabid dogs, frothing at the mouth, teeth bared, ready for the moment they can lunge for the throat.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:39 PM
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48. Yea. And then you woke up from your little stroll through dreamland.
What we have here are people who have been saying for several months now that Obama is an unqualified, green-thumbed candidate who has run a campaign on empty promises and no substance. People who are rightly worried that if such an unqualified candidate makes it to the general election he will be roasted for Rovian spin cycle that he is wholly incapable of dealing with.

No one here wants or cheers for an Obama loss in a general election. What they want is to put the best, most qualified candidate with the best chance of beating John McCain.

Obama doesn't cut it. Not by a long shot.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 02:50 PM
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52. What 'qualifications' are you looking for?
what is the test a person must past before 'you' deem them 'qualified' to be President? Does it change with each day, each month, each year? You only say that it is not enough concerning a candidate other than your own. What qualities in Senator Obama offend you so much? Is it because he was President of the Harvard Law Review? Was it his community organizing? Was it the fact that he taught Constitutional Law? Was it his time in the Illinois State Senate? Was it the books he wrote? Was it the laws he passed? Was it his time in the U.S. Senate? What really bothers you about this man?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. There is also a contingent of DU that supports Hillary, but realizes that
there is a strong liklihood that Obama will be our nominee. If that is the case, what hurts Obama will hurt us, too. If we have any hope of beating McCain in the GE, we need to stand up for both candidates still in the race against attacks by the RW.

I have seen many posts today by Hillary supporters on various threads trying to convince you that this can't be ignored. Most of them are not asking you to switch your vote or ridiculing you for your choice of candidate. We realize that this issue is going to be used by the right wing and as Democrats we need to work together to find a way to keep it from destroying one of our candidates.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:14 PM
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54. I do not want to ignore it...
I want to embrace it. I was not offended by anything the man said. He is a black man preaching to a black Congregation about life in this country. We are now all victims of our government. If at this late date, people still wish to cement a racial divide, we are doomed. This is not our government doing this to us, this is we doing this to ourselves. I have no wish to join any group of people that denounces truth for political expediency.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:27 PM
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56. I'm not that concerned about how you see it or how I see it. It's how it's
used by Republicans that worries me. Maybe I'm just being an alarmist, but I saw what they did during the last election when they took a decorated Vietnam veteran and made him look like a coward and took an AWOL drunk and made him look like a hero.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. And I refuse to worry...
about what the big bad Republicans, Al Quaeda, or Kansas thinks or might do. I am tired of being afraid of future events that are not at all real. I don't believe that John Kerry lost the election because of what the 'swift-boaters' said. But then I don't believe that he lost the election at all. Now Election Fraud...there's something I fear.
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canuk1 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:25 PM
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55. CHARLIE BLACK
McCain's advisor Charlie Black said on TV today that Obama should not be held accountable for the words of someone else. And the campaign should be about issues etc...they have their own Pastor problems with that freak talking about Catholics as the great whore etc... and there will be others. McCain may attack Obama through others but if he brings this up directly, they have Charlie Black on video saying otherwise. He is one of McCain's top advisers.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:49 PM
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59. Kick
For the droolers! :thumbsup:
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