OMG! Did you Hear What This Preacher Said?

[berni_mccoy]

Alternate Title: Why Repulicans Won't Make a Deal Out of Rev. Wright: These are McCain's Pastors
Let's face it, Hillary's done and so we are comparing McCain's truly insane religious representation to Pastor Wright's handful of comments. There were many, many more insane quotes from these nutjobs, and feel free to add your own.

“AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”
- Jerry Falwell

“The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country”
- Jerry Falwell

“If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being”
- Jerry Falwell

“Textbooks are Soviet propaganda”
- Jerry Falwell

“The whole (global warming) thing is created to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability”
- Jerry Falwell

“God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve”
- Jerry Falwell

“(re: 9/11 attacks) "...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."”
- Jerry Falwell

"Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson

"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

"Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' and 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping." –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez

"Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." –Pat Robertson

[NanceGreggs]

1. Well done!

I had the same thought when PastorGate broke - there's a glass house the GOP have been living in for years now.

[berni_mccoy]

2. Thank you Nance. I love your recent works as well.

Of course, I've ALWAYS been a fan of yours. :hug: :loveya: :yourock:

[Crooked Moon]

18. AWESOME!

now just provide documentation that mccain attended falwell's or robertson's church for two decades, had either officiate at his wedding and/or baptize his children, used inspiration from either to title his book or called either his "spiritual mentor" and we're home free...

you just don't get it...

[NanceGreggs]

23. The GOP, as a party, has touted the Falwells and Robertsons ...

... for years. If the "Christian connection" to the party is useful fodder for duping people into voting for them, it is equally valid fodder for connecting it to the party and its members.

And do you honestly believe that one is inextricably connected to the person who officiated at their wedding, or baptized their children, for life?

I guess couples will have to choose their priest or minister with great care (not to mention prescience) from now on: "Excuse me, Reverend, but do you plan on saying or doing anything over the next thirty or forty years that I might disagree with? If so, we can't let you marry us."

[Crooked Moon]

33. spurious connection

obama didn't have to "clear" anything with his pastor in advance. but he obviously heard nothing objectionable from this highly objectionable man over the course of 20 years sufficient for him to rethink his membership.

[CatnHat]

37. The issue is not

the religious right. It's Obama's Wright. There is a big difference, Obama chose to be congregant of this particular church community for 17 years, and claims he was not aware what this particular church represents---I know in my church community, we know and are aware what our church represents, and it's not hatred of our country. You can try to twist this anyway you want, but the vile and despicable language of Obama's inspirational spiritual guide and mentor is more than most people can stomach. God-damn America, I DON'T THINK SO.

I am not a fan of the christian right, but to excuse Obama's lack of judgment and God knows what else, posting "talking points" of the christian right is a more than just a stretch even in Obama land.

[progressoid]

3. Lets play. "Who Said It!"

1. "In today's wars, there are no morals, and it is clear that mankind has descended to the lowest degrees of decadence and oppression."
--Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson
--Usama Bin Ladin

2. "America is polluting the whole world."
--Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson
--Usama Bin Ladin

3. "The government is committed to supporting God's religion, the country remains a strong bulwark for religion, and the people are among the most protective of God's religion, and the keenest to fulfill His laws."
--Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson
--Usama Bin Ladin

4. "One-world opinion is taking the side of the Palestinians, not the side of Israel."
--Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson
--Usama Bin Ladin

More:
http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/

[redqueen]

4. Yup - and Pat Robertson said Katrina was God's punishment, too.

9/11, Katrina - according to these people, we deserved both.

[nels25]

5. Does then give us the permission to dismiss

it then when the shoe is on our foot??

You know we as Democrats have been caught twice in the same week in flagrant double standard?

Spitzer and Pastor Wright, we ignore this at our peril.

Other think people who are independent or disaffected Republican voters know a double standard when they see one.

Only by con deming Pastor Wright in the same terms we have condemned the above comments can we as a party look consistent.

This is not easy ground for us to trod and it could blow up in our faces.

We need to think and takes this into account and not act snide and sneer "so's your old man!"

[2rth2pwr]

10. careful, you're gonna piss off a lot of Obamatrons. nt

[berni_mccoy]

17. Don't forget hillbot: Hillary has pandered to the 700 club as well.

[berni_mccoy]

16. Who said anything about dismissing it? Obama has denounced the comments.

I'm just saying that no Republican is going to use this in the General Election or they are going to get their own ministries words handed back to them.

[Arkansas Granny]

22. I sincerely hope you are right in your optimism, but I confess I don't share it.

I'm betting that the 527's are already writing their ads.

[nels25]

26. Now that I can agree with

whole heartedly 100%.

If the GOP uses this than after all the other is fair game.

We just need to be careful at the current moment.

:headbang:

[joeglow3]

31. And yet, he has continued to attend fpr 20 years

It WILL be used against him

[berni_mccoy]

32. The two or three statements that the media has played up have been in the last 7 years.

And Obama has already denounced the statements.

McCain has far weaker footing in this realm.

[roguevalley]

25. and then there is the 'reverends' that support John McCain that put

this putz in the shade: America was created to wipe out Islam and Christians have to kill all muslims, its god's will.

Perhaps finally these two idiot sides will cancel themselves out and we can go back to being a country again. If McCain tries to be holier than thou, he better disavow his side along with Obama's and Hillary's.

We mustn't overlook Hillary's affiliation with her redneck opus dei group either. Since it appears that taking sides in shit is more important than dealing with real issues.

[Megahurtz]

6. LOL good stuff!

:7

[2rth2pwr]

7. What do any of them have to do with McCain?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/28/se.01.html
I am a pro-life, pro-family fiscal conservative, an advocate of a strong defense, and yet Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and a few Washington leaders of the pro-life movement call me an unacceptable presidential candidate. They distort my pro- life positions and smear the reputations of my supporters.

Why? Because I don't pander to them, because I don't ascribe to their failed philosophy that money is our message. I believe in the cause of conservative reform. I believe that because we are right we will prevail in the battle of ideas, unspoiled by the taint of a corrupt campaign finance scheme that works against the very conservative reform of government that is the object of our labors. The Republican Party will prevail...

[Texas Hill Country]

9. exactly.

[berni_mccoy]

11. That was 2000. Apparently, you didn't get the memo (from 2006): McCain makes nice with Falwell

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1779141

McCain Woos the Right, Makes Peace With Falwell
Possible 2008 Presidential Contender Makes Inroads With GOP Base

[berni_mccoy]

13. And don't forget this from 2007

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/01/21/john-mccain-panders-to-jerry-falwell-pat-robertson-and-james-dobson/

John McCain Panders To Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson And James Dobson

[2rth2pwr]

27. He has said he would consider having a dialoge with them

but he won't be contributing $25,000 to to their churches.

[2rth2pwr]

30. Making peace is not the same as having him as a moral compass,

spiritual advisor, sounding board for all things political, campaign advisor, and family pastor of choice for 20 yrs.

[DemBones DemBones]

12. Nothing, but do Obamaniacs care about truth?

:rofl:

[berni_mccoy]

14. You didn't get the memo either... see my response just above.

[NYCGirl]

19. Perhaps you missed this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1779141

Falwell and McCain first made peace in a face-to-face meeting a few months ago. In a sign of their improved relationship, McCain has agreed to be the graduation speaker at Falwell's Liberty University on May 13.

When McCain accepted an invitation to be Liberty University's graduation speaker, he spoke with Falwell by phone about the marriage issue.

According to Falwell, McCain is not pushing for a federal marriage amendment at this time. But McCain "reconfirmed" to Falwell that he would support a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman if a federal court were to strike down state constitutional bans on gay marriage.

McCain's outreach to conservatives on marriage is politically important because of the way he sharply denounced a federal constitutional ban on gay marriage when it was considered in 2004. McCain called it "antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans" because it "usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."

[robertpaulsen]

8. You might want to check this out too.

McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345128

[FrenchieCat]

15. but, but, but.......

He's just talking about Icky Muslims......and we progressives should respect that, and continue to shake and bake Pastor Wright, and by extension, Barack Obama. :sarcasm:

[robertpaulsen]

29. LOL! It's amazing how many on this forum behave like that.

As though the election will end August 28 in Denver when THEIR candidate is announced. We've got to focus on McCain NOW and hit him with everything we've got from now until November when we kick his hypocritical ass!

On that note, here's another fundy nutjob whose ass McCain has kissed that extends his hatred to Catholics:

NEW UPDATE MARCH 11, 2008: John McCain defended Pastor Hagee's comments today, saying he believe Hagee's claims that his statements were taken out of context:

I will say that he said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position. I hope that maybe you'd give him a chance to respond. He says he has never been anti-Catholic, but I repudiate the words that create that impression.

NEW UPDATE MARCH 6, 2008: John McCain, in response to condemnation by Nancy Pelosi yesterday, has made a stronger denunciation of Hagee's anti-Catholic statements:

"We've had a dignified campaign, and I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics," McCain said.

However, McCain has still not rejected the support of Hagee himself, and has said nothing about Hagee's claims that American foreign policy towards Palestine is causing God to attack the United States with terrorists.

NEW UPDATE MARCH 3, 2008:
John Hagee has released a statement defending his comments:

Throughout my career I have been a strong critic of Christian anti-Semitism. But any fair review of my record will demonstrate that I have consistently criticized all Christians - Protestant and Catholic alike - for the sin of anti-Semitism. In fact I rarely address this topic without castigating the founder of Protestantism, Martin Luther, for the horrendous anti-Semitism he spouted towards the end of his career. It is a bitter irony that in my zeal to hold my fellow Christians accountable for our past anti-Semitism, I now find myself compared to an anti-Semite.


To call me "anti-Catholic" makes about as much sense as calling me "anti-Protestant." I am, most assuredly, neither.

Meanwhile, Catholic League president Bill Donahue has answered back:

"Did we also mischaracterize Hagee when he called my religion 'The Great Whore,' the 'apostate church,' the 'anti-Christ' and a 'false cult system'? McCain cannot ignore Hagee's lies any more than he can tolerate his bigotry. This is getting out of control."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html

[EFerrari]

20. Exactly. n/t

[butterfly77]

21. Doesn't McCain associate with some of the religious ...

so called leaders who don't want blacks to marry or carry out certain duties in the church.

[QC]

24. Haven't we complained a lot about preachers saying those things?

I know I have.

[SeaLyons]

28. Which President or

presidential candidate attended anyone of these churches?

[moobu2]

34. And which one spent 20 years attending the services of these crazy bastards?

[indimuse]

35. were married and had their children batized ...?

good question.

[Lochloosa]

36. Saving for the emails that I'm sure will be in my inbox on Monday

Thanks.