MI/FL Delegate Options Laid Out - Not Looking Good for Clinton

[Oreo]

The only way Clinton has a lead is if the MI/FL votes are taken as is. And even with that her lead would only be 15 delegates.
One small problem though... that's not counting the 55 delegates that went for Uncommitted in MI.

From 2008 Democratic Convention Watch

[Captain Hilts]

1. The situations MI & FL are not the same. FL held a primary that treated all candidates the same..

MI did not.

[Oreo]

5. And one option floated is....

MI divides the delegates 50/50 and FL's vote stands but they lose 1/2 their delegates

[Captain Hilts]

11. MI needs some kind of do-over. The 50/50 isn't fair or valid. nt

[madfloridian]

17. That is Bill Nelson's "option". It would be dead wrong.

Read my journals. Florida went along with the GOP and Marco Rubio on this primary thing since early 2006.

They were complicit. I don't care if they split 50 50. But they must not use the totals from the sanctioned primary.

If they do that, if Hillary wins that way...she will not be legit.

[JackORoses]

15. wrong. They are the same. Both were invalidated. They are both equally meaningless.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Never mind the fact that EVERYBODY knew the votes would not count.

And those who would not show up for a vote that doesn't count would predominantly be Obama supporters. They wouldn't show up to vote on the other issues, being less likely to be homeowners than Hillary's retired supporters.

Florida needs a do-over just as much as MI.

[Kittycat]

2. She still doesn't lead with them.

Obama leads in votes with MI/FL
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[dchill]

8. Thought so. Thanks.

He leads EVEN WITHOUT any votes in Michigan.

[SoCalDem]

3. Did you subtract Spitzer?

:)

[Oreo]

4. Yes

Obama picked up another super today also.

[madfloridian]

6. Thanks for the great site at Dem Con Watch. Enjoy and trust your posts.

:hi:

[SoCalDem]

12. cool.. nice graphics btw

:)

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

7. I like option 1 (for MI)

Leave the MI delegates out. That's the original plan, it follows the rules. Any re-do will result in a battle over the type of selection, the participants, etc. More hassle than it's worth.

You can't direct the "uncommitted" as a bloc. Some were for Obama, some for Edwards, maybe some for others. The "Uncommitted Edwards" votes, if you could isolate them, would be split across Obama and Clinton.

I'd exclude them. And exclude the superD's from MI, some of whom helped get us into this mess.

[hogwyld]

9. I'm beginning to think this all won't matter

Hillary WILL find a way to overturn the delegates and get the nomination. She will have effectively splintered the democratic party, and alienated all of those new voters from Barack. As The Who so sang, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" I think I'm going to go drown my sorrows now.

[dchill]

16. Remember one thing: She can't do it alone...

or fairly. We've proven that we have long memories around here.

[Rydz777]

10. I just find this depressing. We will need both Michigan and

Florida in November to win the White House - certainly Michigan and probably Florida, and this tug-of-war with the DNC is doing nothing but enhance McPain's chances in both states.

[Captain Hilts]

13. We can't piss off those that voted in Florida. Nearly two million. A record turnout. nt

[Kittycat]

18. Yes, a record turnout of HOMEOWNERS

It completely ignored the middle class and working poor that can't afford mortgages.

[Captain Hilts]

24. Homeowners always have a very high turnout. Nothing new there. nt

[Kittycat]

30. The point is - there was nothing at stake for other voters.

And you can't deny their voice, just because they didn't have a measure on the ballot to turn out and vote.

[Captain Hilts]

31. There was RECORD turnout. Why is this mentioned when Obama wins but not HRC?

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Fuck em.

You KNOW we won't win Florida anyway. They have the machines, they've already purged the voter rolls. No fucking way we will win Florida.

And if anyone is going to vote republican because of what Florida democrats did to the Florida democratic party, they aren't democrats anyway.

So fuck em.

[Captain Hilts]

25. Some surveys show HRC winning it over McCain. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. Any survey that does not include ES&S is worthless. nt

[Captain Hilts]

28. Say wha?

[GalleryGod]

14. Katie H..tanned,rested,and augmented! Ready fo that ReVote!

[madfloridian]

29. People forget quickly. Elections are still in one Republican hands...

answering only to the governor. This time it is Kurt Browning, not your most liberal Republican.

[JPZenger]

19. Hillary said Obama campaign told people to vote uncommitted

One of Hillary's defense to get Michigan counted is that Obama had campaign people telling the voters to vote uncommitted if they supported him. With her logic, the uncomitted should count towards Obama.

Imagine being the only one on the ballot and almost losing to uncommitted? (She got 55% of the vote in Michigan).

Another option is to take the Republican approach and penalize each state by only counting half of their delegates. I also believe that any Dem who voted for the early date or signed the legislation should lose their vote as a superdelegate. That includes the Governor of Michigan, who led the fight to break the rules.

[zonkers]

20. Mich. didn't go for Bush and they won't go for Hillary. I know Michigan.

[stillcool]

21. the one good thing about...

all of this, is that the longer it goes on, the more I understand about how it all took place, and who is playing down and dirty with the rules.

[madfloridian]

26. Just read this option at your site. Oreo. I do not think it will fly at all

I think superdelegates will do their thing before 1/2 delegates are seated for Florida. Florida is not God, just in their own mind.

"Split the Florida and Michigan pledged delegations 50/50. Superdelegates are free to vote as they wish.
Split Michigan 50/50 including supers. Give Florida pledged delegates 1/2 vote, but based on January election. 1/2 vote for superdelegates also. This is supposedly under significant "

I realize it is speculation, but if it goes that way, she will not be a legit win.