Wasn't it just yesterday Obama was a Muslim?

[SoonerPride]

Can't the media make up its mind how they want to paint Obama and religion as scary to white folks?

I mean, seriously, who the fuck cares about that shit when we're about to face the next fucking DEPRESSION, we're got two unresolved wars that are bleeding our men and women and treasury bone dry, we torture people like we're some banana republic South American junta, our Constitutional form of checks and balances has been usurped and that grand document has been used for Georgie Pordgie Puddin' and Pie's toilet paper, we've got our OWN government spying on us in ways Orwell could never have even fathomed in his worst opium-induced nightmares, our planet is slowly being poisoned to death by our greed and stupidity, all of our allies around the world think we've lost our fucking minds (and lord knows we seem to be proving that assumption right every god-damned day), our education system continues to fall further and further behind the rest of the developed world, and on top of all that crap our fucking healthcare system is now being reduced to some Medieval system of bloodletting and leeches, mainly because people can no longer afford the god-damned out of control health insurance premiums and mind-boggling prescription fees, but instead of focusing on any of that crap, we get sidetracked by the idea that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is some kind of "scary black man," oh, we're not sure what kind, today a Muslim tomorrow a "black radical," but whatever he is it is far more important than any REAL fucking problem going on in the world.

OK, fine.

We get the government we deserve.

[Oleladylib]

1. ummm, I guess so.

[stellanoir]

2. I think I'll see if there can be a new DUzy category for

the BEST run on sentence of the week.

Thanks you've inspired me.

[SoonerPride]

3. I was on my soap box and it just sort of spilled out of me

:)

[stellanoir]

18. Now you've inspired me to go to wikipedia and google around to find

out the origin of the practice of speaking on soap boxes.

Looks as though is started in Hyde Park in London but couldn't find anything about why soap boxes in particular were chosen.

Perhaps to clear the air. . .?









Thanks for helping me to avoid going to the market.

:hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

4. When did the media ever portray him as a muslim?

You can't blame the media for right-wing email spam.

[rodeodance]

16. yeah, that was a broadbrush!!

[Pawel K]

21. We can't blame the media for constantly displaying that picture of him?

I'll respectfully disagree as I tend to believe the media is at fault for it all.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Constantly displaying?

Your perception is skewed.

[Pawel K]

25. You don't think plastering that image all over tv was intentional?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Of course it was intentional

I don't think it accidentally ended up being televised. I'm pretty sure they showed it on purpose. But it wasn't a big story it wasn't plastered all over - it was shown a few times. Seriously, if you think that was a big story, your perception is just messed up.

[Pawel K]

37. Shown a few times?

every singe network picked this up. That image was on tv every day for over a week. Not to mention it was all over print and web media. If you don't think that's a big deal I have nothing more to discuss with you because to me this is a huge deal.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. You're misremembering it

[Pawel K]

48. Is this your attempt at a serious discussion

or are you simply trying to troll? How many times do you think they should have shown that picture?

[ProSense]

5. In response to Wright, I have one word for the media: Bush

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

link

What did America do in her moment of "indignation" over the attacks (horrible and tragic as they were)?

America invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attacks, destroyed it and facilitated the killing of more than a million people!

Can the media take issue with Wright's comments about American imperialism as they relate to Iraq?

The MSM is full of BS!

[Seeker30]

7. His comments werent related to Iraq

Its hate spew against America. How can anyone trust what Obama is really about at this point.

[SoonerPride]

8. Exactly who I'm talking about: YOU

Easily distracted myopia.

[Seeker30]

12. I could care less who you're talking about..Obamas true colors are showing

And obviously people such as yourself could give a fuck.

[SoonerPride]

15. His true "color," eh?

He's black.

I know that might be shocking to you, and yes I could care less if he's black.

Obviously, that seems to disturb you.

[Hawkowl]

6. Wright is a counter to the Muslim lie

Obama could use this whole tempest in teacup to shift the whole nonsense to "I don't agree with everything my Christian Pastor says". This is an opportunity to say he will not be subordinate to his religious leader, like JFK explained regarding the pope.

[easy_b94]

10. "Wright is a counter to the Muslim lie"

Hmmmm I never Thought about that.

[Leopolds Ghost]

41. This deserves its own post -- you might want to start an OP about this!!!

[rucky]

42. I can't wait to see someone spout both accusations in the same sentence.

you know it's going to happen. The muslim with the crazy pastor!

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. I thought they said he wasn't black enough or even black

First he's not black enough, now too black, then we need to ask Goldilocks
and the three bears for the right answer. Is he Christian enough or is he too Christian.




Is Obama Black Enough?

Time Magazine:http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1584736,00.html

The black author and essayist Debra J. Dickerson recently declared that “Obama isn’t black”

New York times:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/us/politics/02obama.html?pagewanted=all

[Mooney]

11. It's hysterical, isn't it?

They need to get their smears straight.

[SoonerPride]

13. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic

Really.

[Bake]

14. Yesterday he was a Muslim. Today, he's an America-hating millitant black man.

That's the EASY spin. Imagine what the 527's will do.

Bake

[SoonerPride]

17. Yeah, sure, since there's all this video of HIM saying these things. Or not.

But guilt by association plays so well and keeps the public distracted from the real elephants in the room.

It's so much more compelling to be "afraid of a militant black man" than fix healthcare.

[Bake]

19. You can say whatever you want, keep whistling past the graveyard.

Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years, he mattied BO and MO, he baptized their children, Obama himself describes him as his spiritual advisor, he even drew the name of his freakin' BOOK from the guy.

This is more than just guilt by association, and I really don't care how many times you say it. Farrakhan was guilt by association, and Obama dealt with that pretty well. This, however, is going to stick, unless Obama throws him under the bus.

Bake

[SoonerPride]

20. And if it DOES stick and people focus on this nonsense

instead of the real problems of this country, we deserve another 8 years of George Bush.

[Bake]

27. Crying about it won't make it go away.

America DOESN'T deserve another 8 years of Bushism. We need to run candidates who are solid and have been VETTED so that this kind of shit doesn't come out and bite us in the ass.

We HAD other candidates than BHO and HRC.

Bake

[SoonerPride]

30. All of them are flawed.

No one is perfect.

Don't get sidetracked from the real issues.

[Bake]

33. One real issue is BHO's judgment. We'll see how he responds to the Wright Stuff.

So far, I find his response sadly lacking. He needs to throw this SOB under the bus. And then back the bus up and do it again. And again.

Bake

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. What makes you say Wright is an SOB and needs to be run over by a bus?

[Bake]

55. He said "God Damn America."

That pretty much does it for me. You can spend fifteen minutes or fifteen hours trying to explain it, but America stopped listening at "G.D.A."

And yeah, that makes him an SOB in my book.

Bake

[SoonerPride]

56. Yeah, cause no one can ever be unhappy about what america does

I mean, who's unhappy about torture and domestic spying?

[Bake]

58. I'm angry as hell about those things.

But I'd never in a million lifetimes say those hateful words.

Or do the Obama supporters now think that "words DON'T mean anything?"

Bake

[SoonerPride]

59. You're conflating the free speech rights of his pastor as if they were Obama's words

Moreover, you're allowing yourself to be bamboozled into caring about this nonsense when there are real problems of much more import we need to address.

You should say "who the fuck cares about this crap? Who's gonna fix HEALTHCARE?"

[Bake]

60. This is more than just guilt by association, and it's not a 1st Am. issue

Nobody is saying Wright isn't free to say whatever he wants to. But there are consequences for Obama because of what Wright said. It's more than just guilt by association because the association between them is so close.

And whether I care about them or not is also not the issue. I do recognize that for millions of Americans, it's over once they hear "God Damn America." Which means four years (at least) of McCain, who will NOT fix health care; who will NOT get us out of Iraq; who will NOT do anything to boost the economy.

So Rev. Wright's big mouth kills the candidacy of someone who MIGHT be able to do something about those issues. Way to go, Rev!

At least at this point, the problem may not be insurmountable. But if Obama defends the guy for even a heartbeat, it's over for HIM. Maybe the party can still have the good judgment to make someone else our nominee.

Bake

[SoonerPride]

61. Well, now that we have Obama's reply, you still think it's over?

I think it's much ado about nothing.

[PVnRT]

39. Of course, they'll leave Hillary alone...

:eyes:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

23. Yesterday's news. Hillary's moved on to bigger, better slimes.

[Scurrilous]

28. Yep.

It's shameful.

[BigDDem]

35. Yesterdays news....no big deal

Spread the word!

[last_texas_dem]

24. Obama's still a Muslim

He just goes to the Xian church as cover and to suck up to white Middle Americans. Clever on his part, eh? :sarcasm: (B/c based on a response to a recent post I made, the "sarcasm" icon is *always* necessary.)

[K Gardner]

29. That's kinda how I felt today when I went to fill up my car and then

went to the store to buy milk and groceries. Like, WTF.. who cares what preacher said?

Anything to distract and divert.. good rant !

[Leopolds Ghost]

44. Clinton's posting this shit on YouTube that she's had in reserve -- stuff everyone knew Wright said

months or years ago.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. You're under the mistaken impression

that attacks on a candidate need to be consistent.

You can look around this board and see it's just not true.

[DemGa]

32. "Scary to white folks?" Wtf does this mean?

What concerns me is having a two year Senator fluff-job whose effed up our future. This is called discerning. Must we be "afraid" to see right through the fraud Obama?

[Leopolds Ghost]

45. Obama has f--ed up your future? Or your candidate's future, rather.

[AtomicKitten]

34. This nasty tidbit has been wheeled out by HRC to cover up the Ferraro race-baiting festival.

This was forwarded to all news organizations by the Clinton Campaign. And not wanting her to erupt again especially after being brow-beaten by the Clintons, the MSM plays along with the lame attempt at subterfuge.

In the process, however, Ms. Flick is tee'ing up every nasty campaign tactic for the GOP to use against Obama, which is pretty breathtaking because it proves the undercurrent of reality and that is if Hillary doesn't get the nod, she doesn't want any Democrat to win in November.

The only problem with Ms. Flick's theory is that her own behavior and tactics - Keith Olbermann calls it her running like a Republican - is turning off more and more Democrats such that if her minions do manage to persuade superdelegates to deprive Obama of the nomination, the nod he is winning fair and square, she would most certainly lose to McCain. Which further proves the theory that she just doesn't care.

[Leopolds Ghost]

46. Not only that but the undercurrent of RACIAL reality -- she is proving Wright right

One drop of black blood is all it takes for even the most well-meaning
moderate liberal Clinton supporter to racialize the election, even
against a candidate criticized by black and white people as not being
"really" black a year ago, a Tiger Woods. Even and especially if a
"black" man is standing in the way of a moderate white feminist AND
WORSE, attracting the support of "scary, enthusastic crowds of black
people." Ethnic solidarity scares people in this country only when it
is displayed by black people, or Jewish people. I'm not sure who else.

And the only reason Barack even EARNED that ethnic solidarity is they
saw people jumping on Obama racially and ethnically no matter how far
he ran from his heritage. Proof of some of Wright's less controversial
claims.

(I see nothing wrong with the particular speech they keep airing about
Hillary vs. Obama -- some of his other quotes disturb me, but to tie
them to the racial dynamic, as if everything Wright says is wrong and
any mention of racism in this country by a black man is "militant
black nationalism", is foul, foul, foul).

[AtomicKitten]

52. "Remember that thing about Obama not being black enough? Well, the Clintons made him black enough."

* Margaret Carlson, CNN

America's stereotypical Whitey is pissed off the Black fella is doing so well, and they aren't have any of it. That uppity sentiment must be crushed by any means necessary.

Unfortunately, these troglodytes are playing on the same old, same old playing field and haven't been clued in yet that Obama has transcended that bullshit and, as it turns out, so has the majority of Americans.

[SoonerPride]

53. I sure hope you're right. It seems people really want CHANGE

And Obama is the guy that can deliver that change, but it won't come without a fight and all of these mindless distractions over race and religion merely distract us from addressing the real heavy lifting we have ahead as a party and then as a nation.

[AtomicKitten]

54. I so agree.

In fact, I'm chomping at the bit for Obama to start hammering his case for getting the hell out of Iraq. The Rs have been ginning up staying in, trying to drive up public sentiment to remain in Iraq. Obama is also connecting the black hole of cash in Iraq to our failing economy.

And Ms. Flick has this race suspended in bullshit like a crappy jello mold.

[Vinca]

36. Yesterday a Muslim, today a radical Christian, tomorrow . . .

how about voodoo king? Sticking pins in small Hillary dolls.

[DearAbby]

38. Geeeze dont give them any ideas .........n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

49. He has a network of informants all over New Orleans.

He's actually Creole -- his mother is descended directly from
Marie Antoinette and his father was a Haitian dictator!

[progressoid]

47. Tomorrow...Atheist!

Like his Mother.

[SoonerPride]

50. They'll find some new and exciting angle to divert our attention from the real issues

I have no doubt of that.

And a "scary black athiest" sounds just about right.

Tune in next week! Right after American Idle.

[Leopolds Ghost]

51. Worse... a MUSLIM Atheist like his father... who infiltrated a Black Nationalist Church!

Who just happens to be black, and some people are scared of that and have to imagine things!

On Edit: :sarcasm:

[mmonk]

57. Yep. Wonder what he'll be tomorrow?