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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:06 AM
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"To say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy...
is a practical absurdity; our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition."

Obama
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:13 AM
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1. **bzzzt**
The correct response was "seperation of church and state." How much did you wager? Ooooo, I'm sorry. Thanks for playing.

What the hell is Judeo-Christian. Seems to be that the Judeos have long suffered at the hands of Christians. Only since WW2 have both groups realized that they had a much scarier common enemy.

I resent the undeserved implication that religion somehow creates or preserves morality. History has shown the contrary to be true.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:43 AM
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2. He was just printing the boiler plate, I'm sure
The platitudes for the unwitting, unthinking masses. As to what he truly believes, and acts upon, we'll have to dig deeper.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:06 AM
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4. "I resent the undeserved implication that religion somehow creates or preserves morality" Brilliant!
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 09:07 AM by jmg257
"I resent the undeserved implication that religion somehow creates or preserves morality. History has shown the contrary to be true."

Wow - excellent comment!

:toast:
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:04 AM
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3. I didn't care for his "Renewal of Faith" speech.
I prefer that Obama leave his faith outside the doors of our secular government. That's the way the Founders wanted it.

And fvck Judeo-Christian morality. That "morality" is a major reason why we're where we are at present. Dominionist ideas like Manifest Destiny, have grown into globalization and global domination in the modern era.

And where does that leave those with morality and ethics not derived from religion or from some other religion? Excluded. All religion divides. Practice it in church, not in our government or schools.
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