20 YEARS OF POOR JUDGEMENT: Obama's problem in Pastorgate

[Herman Munster]

The root of the problem here is Obama's "judgement." He says experience is not important and he has the right judgement, then why has he had a 20 year friendship with Wright, why did he allow him to minister his wedding and baptize his two daughters in this church of racist filth, and be the inspiration for his books? Why did Obama stay with the church after Wright gave Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award? Why did he donate $25,000 to this racist church last year?

This is worse than Willie Horton.

This is worse than the swiftboats.

This will galvanize white working class people to VOTE AGAINST THEIR SELF-INTERESTS and vote for McCain.

You kool-aid drinkers don't know how serious this is. It was the lead story on FOX all day and all the talk shows like Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly were leading it. This story doesn't need the MSM. It'll be like the muslim rumors. It'll take on a life of its own spreading virally by watercooler talk at work, youtubes being shares by emails with family and friends.

[grantcart]

1. lol your on a roll again lol

[grantcart]

10. can we put in a request - in your next OP can you please give us

some critical thinking analysis of how Clinton's losses in Mississippi show great strategic moves?

If not just bring out that Wyoming one again. We can all use a good laugh.

[grantcart]

11. Breaking Obama's Librarian believes in Reparations for slaves

[grantcart]

12. Breaking Obama's Druggist believes in medicinal Marijuana

[DJ13]

2. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

:boring:

[leftofcool]

3. I have to question his judgement

on taking his daughters to a church where sexual motions are made from the pulpit.

[Name removed]

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[jackson_dem]

22. Obamites keep playing the race card to silence discussion of pastorgate here

Guess what? It doesn't matter. You may bully some posters here into silence but you can't bully the media from ignoring this story nor can you bully youtube. Do a search for "Jermiah Wright Obama" on youtube and you get 56 hits and counting...

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

42. Obamites?

You know what, I voted for Obama. My voters card says Democrat not Obamite. I suspect yours says Democrat also. Have we gone nuts. Let's talk issues not a supporter said, she said, he said, and we are not even talking about the candidates. Oh well, at least it will be discussed before the GE, when Barack beats McCain with the votes of people of good will.

[anamandujano]

49. He won't be the nominee. The story broke too early.

[sueragingroz]

81. i find it surprising it broke too early?

What do you think?

Internet foiling Rove's '72 plan?

I haven't figured out this one yet.

[sueragingroz]

86. If I'm anything... it's a card carrying cynic

Guilty as charged.

[sueragingroz]

78. Just like Obama's team is bullying black superdelegates into switching over to him.../nt

[AlCzervik]

5. more material for your spank bank Herman?

[Radical Activist]

80. heh

I wrote pretty much the same thing before I read yours. :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. a real bonehead

[David Dunham]

9. This will be a very tough issue for Obama, whom I like.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. I like him too but I don't believe he could ever win the GE now and i won't chance losing it

[MadBadger]

7. It was the lead story all day for RW radio and Fox news...So Racist republicans wont vote for him...

big deal.

[jackson_dem]

23. Judgment and hypocrisy hurt him across race

And let's face it. Racism is not limited to any party, although the rethugs have more. Moreover, it isn't just racism. Many whites will vote against him because they fear he is racist just as many blacks voted against Clinton for the same reason. What goes around comes around, Barack...

[MadBadger]

27. Yep, Obama is racist, he hates his mother and half of himself.

[jackson_dem]

29. Of course he isn't racist. Dukakis was patriotic, Kerry was a war hero

Gore wasn't a liar. How did things work out for them after the rethug machine was done with them?

Obama didn't run as the first biracial candidate ("Barack Obama launched his campaign today vying to be the first black president and the 44th white president." See why he chose as he did?). He ran as the first black candidate with a shot. How many folks even know he is half white?

[MadBadger]

44. I think the difference between all of them is that Obama wont back down in the end.

[jackson_dem]

46. We'll see. The problem is hypocrisy is difficult to explain away

You can't publicly wax eloquently about "unity" and "moving beyond race" and then go to a racist church for two decades and give it 25k last year. Dukakis, Kerry, and Gore didn't do anything that was transparently hypocritical on the areas they were attacked. How does Obama explain this away? Let's see.

[DJ13]

8. Maybe you should question why Hillary attends a Right Winger Church in DC

her judgement seems pretty questionable.

[DemGa]

13. Obama either agrees with the pastor's message, or perhaps

it's just so much fluff for him -- like his "hope and change" politics.

Which is it?

[jackson_dem]

24. He gave 25k to that church last year--while he spoke of "unity" and "getting beyond" race in public

[liberaltrucker]

14. Non issue from the get-go

Barack addressed it. Nice try.

[David Dunham]

16. He addressed it but still gave his "crazy uncle" $25k last year

[Egnever]

19. So? Its a church

they do a lot of comunity stuff. Its not like it went in dudes pocket.

[jackson_dem]

25. It is an endorsement. Would you have no problem with giving Farrakhan's temple 25k?

[liberaltrucker]

35. If Minister Farrakhan's temple......

were helping those in need, damn right. But since it's not, it's a
moot point, purely hypothetical.

[jackson_dem]

38. What are you talking about? The NOI does a lot of social work

Let's take it further. Hamas does social work but is a terrorist organization. You would have no problem with someone writing them a check?

The fact is Obama could have practiced what he publicly preaches and went to a church that lives up to his rhetoric about unity and moving beyond race. He had a wide array of churches to choose from in the nation's third largest city and could have switched to and given money to many good churches. He didn't. He choose to be a hypocrite and show poor judgment in doing so.

[liberaltrucker]

41. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Your point?

On edit: To the the Creek Nation at Horse Shoe Bend, Andy Jackson
was a terrorist.

[jackson_dem]

43. So you have no problem with giving to bigoted entities even if they kill

The vast majority of voters do.

[liberaltrucker]

47. I can't speak for the majority

Just myself. The IRA killed innocents, but the cause was just. Andy
Jackson killed innocents at Horse Shoe Bend, but the cause was just.

Hamas is in a struggle for a homeland, is their cause less just?

[theboss]

83. I've supported NOI related businesses

I don't think I would give an award to Farrakhan even though I do think he was the mastermind behind one of the great social events of the last 20 years.

[BlackVelvet04]

73. Part of it did....

it helps pay his salary.

[liberaltrucker]

30. The $$ was to his CHURCH

NOT the "crazy uncle".

:eyes:

[BlackVelvet04]

75. You don't think it helped pay his salary?

:eyes:

[gaiilonfong]

15. PEWW as usual! n/t

[Egnever]

17. Cause he is not a wacky fundy?

He goes to church hes not a priest.

[madrchsod]

18. i forgot why i had you on ignore

now i remember

[jackson_dem]

20. The other big problem is his hypocrisy. He talks about unity and a post-racial politics...

...then attends a racist church for two decades. This is the latest in a string of examples of Obama saying one thing and doing another and hurts him on the heels of NAFTAgate and Power's comment on him not meaning what he says on Iraq.

[redstate_democrat]

28. You are so desperate.

It's like you're yelling at the top of your lungs and no one cares about what you're saying and most don't even hear you. Huh? Huh? What did you say? I can't hear you? lol. How does it feel to know that your candidate will never sit at the big desk located in the Oval Office. She will never, ever, be elected president of these United States. How does that feel? Sucks, doesn't it. This Wright story is DEAD. Get over it. It is a fringe story for fringe, radical, Repugs. No one listens to these NUTS but other fringe, radical, Repugs. Okay? McCain is TIGHT with a man who said the Catholic church is the GREAT WHORE. Hillary has her OWN baggage and she is still on tape with others like Al Sharpton et al in black :scared: pulpits talking racial politics. Get :scared: over :scared: it. All you can see is Barack's color. You need to get over your issues dude or dudette.

[jackson_dem]

34. ABC, CNN, CBS are fringe?

Personally I wouldn't lose any sleep over whether Clinton or Obama wins, so long as Obama wins the general. I supported Edwards first anyway.

Ah, the race card again. Pointing out Obama going to a racist church makes him vulnerable with folks of a different race is racist. Another attempt by the Obama posting police to regulate posting on Obama...On to ignore but PLEASE keep playing the race card. I beg all Obamites to do so. It will do wonders for him in PA and the remaining primaries!

[redstate_democrat]

40. Ah so the church is racist

because the members are black and a black man dared say "rich white people run the country". Well golly! It's not like he said white people are only successful because of the color of their skin. That would be unheard of and beyond the pale!

He said Obama ain't white
He said Obama ain't privileged
He said Obama ain't rich

Obviously, these things are not one in the same. Think about what he said. Even if you are white, if you aren't privileged and or rich, you probably have just as hard a time of "fitting the mold" that was referred to in that sermon he gave. But whatever. Keep discussing a non issue. You will see this story become a nonissue shortly.

[anamandujano]

50. You have toned down what the guy said somewhat. Whatever works for you.

[Taxmyth]

68. Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian

Church motto

http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm

To me that doesn't seem altogether racist but if Senator Clinton or another candidate went to a Church with the published motto:

"Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian" , would that pass the smell test?

edited to remove quotes from subject

[ProSense]

21. Delusional! Maybe this will ensure Hillary's campaign dies in PA:

Leading black clergy group backing Obama

ABC's Ross reported Wright's 9-11 remarks -- but not that Obama disavowed them

Obama will be fine! Hillary's failed leadership skills were exposed in her handling of Ferraro's racist comments.

[laugle]

26. I knew of this and many others things long ago,

I did some research on my own. It's shocking, but I'm getting the feeling that BO supporters don't know very much about him, or maybe they just choose to ignore it. It's not going away. You and I know this is just the beginning.............Limbaugh today was trying to insight a race war in the dem party and a riot at our convention.........that sick bastard!

[jackson_dem]

32. I can count the number of Obama supporters who "get it" on this on one hand

They ignore everything they don't want to hear and this is why they are so big on bullying folks to not post anything they don't like about Obama.

[redstate_democrat]

37. Rush Limbaugh

is a drug addict as far as I know. Why are we even taking anything this bigoted freak says seriously. This is the same man that has endorsed Hillary Clinton, more proof why we should take nothing he says seriously.

Rush :scared: Limbaugh is a big fat idiot and only has influence over the mindless dregs of society. Any person with two neurons can see through his bull. Certainly Democrats can see through it. Let's do away with the pink tu tus and take the White House back. It won't be given to us, sorry.

[laugle]

71. He only helped to influence

a nation to support a criminal, illegal war. Get a clue, many people listen to this freak!

And stop spreading BS, he never endorsed Hillary, he hates the Clintons!

[MADem]

31. He's JUST a POLITICIAN. A politician of the OLD school, change bullshit notwithstanding.

A BEHOLDEN politician, who was shaped and coddled and fostered--and who owes--the Chicago MACHINE.

Here's a VERY REVEALING article about the junior Senator from IL--it says a lot about him that the "public pictures" don't show us (it's not a hit piece, just honest): http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/

It was the year 2000, and I was a hungry young reporter in Chicago.

It’s not quite 8 in the morning, and Barack Obama is on the phone screaming at me. He liked the story I wrote about him a couple weeks ago, but not this garbage.

Months earlier, a reporter friend told me she overheard Obama call me an asshole at a political fundraiser. Now here he is blasting me from hundreds of miles away for a story that just went online but hasn’t yet hit local newsstands. ...I talked with Obama on a regular basis—a couple times a month, at least. I’d ask him about his campaign-finance reports, legislation he was sponsoring and various local issues. He wrote an occasional column published in our papers. It ran with a headshot that made him look about 14 years old.

My view of Obama then wasn’t all that different from the image he projects now. He was smart, confident, charismatic and liberal. One thing I can say is, I never heard him launch into the preacher-man voice he now employs during speeches. He sounded vanilla, and activists in his mostly black district often chided him for it.

....It’s a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what’s interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.....Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

“I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” state Sen. Rickey Herndon, the original sponsor of landmark legislation that dealt with racial profiling and videotaped confessions, complained to me at the time. It was yanked away by Jones and given to Obama. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it,” Herndon said. “Yet, in the end, he got all the credit.” ...

[grantcart]

55. lol this one again - I dare you to google his name and find a newspaper he writes for

that isn't free lol Actually if you google Todd Spivak you will find a reference to DU before you find his body of work.

He writes gossip notes for weekly newspapers that are handed out for free at the supermarket
http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Archive?author=oid%3A2985

TODD SPIVAK
Body Worlds runs through Sept. 5 at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Hours are 9:30 a.m.-9 p.m. daily. Admission to the museum and the exhibit is $21 for adults, $11 for children ages 3-11, and $17 for seniors. Reduced rates are available during evening hours. Admission includes a complimentary screening of The Human Body, a film shown inside the museum’s Omnimax theater. For more information, call 773-684-1414 or vi

The return of Hunter Lake
Don Durbin wistfully recalls his early years on the family farm. He stalks through the tall, windswept grasses and points to areas where his children once brushed ponies and petted hogs.But the century-old farm has lost much of its charm since the city of Springfield seized it nearly 30 years ago.There are still about a half-dozen wooden structures on the property, some dating back to the early 1900s. But they are all on the verge of collapse.Giant holes gape in the roof of the cattle shed; it looks as if a bomb has torn through what was once a horse b


Report on Boys and Girls Club
Discussion continued this week between leaders of Ministerial Alliance and the Boys & Girls Club of Springfield over how to proceed with the construction of a new $4 million East Side community center.Members of both groups met for an hour and a half on Monday to broach a wide range of issues, including the selection of a site and name and fundraising.“It was a good exchange,” says Kristin Allen, executive director for the Boys & Girls Club. “It was a positive, productiv


Heebie-jeebies

BY TODD SPIVAK

Springfield Mayor Tim Davlin is feeling anxious.Two months remain before the dedication of the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum, an event expected to draw national media attention, tens of thousands of visitors, foreign dignitaries, and, perhaps, even the president.“I’m nervous,” Davlin says. “You know, we’re all nervous because we have a lot of work to do in the next seven week


Now if you want dirt on Obama you have to go here

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-1993/Vote-of-Confidence/

[MADem]

58. Wow. A local small time writer covering a local small time state senator. Such a shock!

I've seen lots of good writing in free city papers--the Phoenix did some great work back in the Vietnam era.

I didn't think it was a hit piece. I thought it had that pesky ring of truth about it, though.

I didn't see any "dirt" in the article. Just some honest observations.

[grantcart]

64. well fair enough its just that it has now been repeatedly published

in dozens of newspapers and now reported here so much that if you want to google the guy you have to go several pages in before you find anyother issue - and you pass by old DU threads on google too find it - lol

I got no problems with Wright or this or any other stuff they want to bring out - I just think reinforces that this all the old style politics that most people are sick of.



Did you read the old article on Obama?

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[grantcart]

51. no no don't do that this guy is comedy gold

wait until he analyzes election results

[liberaltrucker]

39. PEOPLE, Please get some logic.

Oh, never mind, I forgot it's GDP. Just keep on fucking the
Democratic Party into oblivion. I'll likely observe my Party's
demise from a secure, undisclosed location to the north.

Carry on, wayward children.

[anamandujano]

52. Obama is presently "fucking the Democratic Party into oblivion."

Why do you feel the need to blame it on others? Any blame falls squarely on Obama.

[Forkboy]

82. If people like you represent the Dems than we're already fucked into oblivion.

[EmilyAnne]

45. More like 20 years of very good judgement erased by a single friendship with an old, crazy preacher.

Give me a break. Preachers always do and say things that are over the top. The members sometimes shake their heads, go out to lunch and talk about how riled up the preacher was that morning, and go on their merry way. Its really not that big of a deal to have a friend with someone who you don't agree with on every point.

[MADem]

69. Not THIS FAR over the top. You can BUY this on DVD, it's not a secret.

And it's not a question of not agreeing on "every" point, it's more like ANY point--this guy hates Whitey and hates America. That's how it comes across.

VIDEO-- http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

The thing that makes me annoyed is why it took so long. Why was there nothing throughout Obama's entire candidacy but "OOOOOH, isn't he LOVELY?" and no critical attention AT ALL from the press? Would he like another pillow, indeed?

This isn't "old crazy preacher" stuff. The guy is not THAT old. This is "White America is nothing but terrorist-Klansmen, God Damn America." It isn't what most parents want their kids to hear in church...and that's an issue of judgment, too. Did he bring his kids to hear this kind of stuff? Or did they go to Sunday School?

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

[BlackVelvet04]

79. and a long friendship with his thug friend Rezko. n/t

[Danger Mouse]

48. I look forward to the day that Obama clinches the nomination...

and you can't spew your anti-Obama crap anymore.

[anamandujano]

53. I doubt he'll make it to the GE but, if he does we will all watch the

spewers spew.

Don't expect any help from us defending him.

[Danger Mouse]

56. Hillary will face just as much hate if she makes it to the General Election...

maybe even more, because of how hated the Clintons are by the right wing.
The difference between me and you, is, I will be defending her from them.
I know who the REAL enemy is here.

[anamandujano]

60. Have you been defending her against all the slurs so far? If so,

let me say thank you. At this point, I take you at your word. Most of the Obama supporters have delightfully piled on what the MSM has been doing to Hillary. Haven't you been reading here much?

[FrenchieCat]

54. !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5072285

[McCamy Taylor]

57. This should not even be an issue. Karl Rove is playing CREEPy tricks on us.

Solidarity!

[anamandujano]

59. Disagree. Karl Rove did not force Obama to patronize this man's

ministry. He just got his goons on the case.

[Catherina]

61. Meet Clinton's Spiritual Mentor. The King of Fundamentalists, Doug Coe

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith, but in Living History, she describes her first encounter with Fellowship leader Doug Coe at a 1993 lunch with her prayer cell at the Cedars, the Fellowship's majestic estate on the Potomac. Coe, she writes, "is a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

The Fellowship's ideas are essentially a blend of Calvinism and Norman Vincent Peale, the 1960s preacher of positive thinking. It's a cheery faith in the "elect" chosen by a single voter--God--and a devotion to Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.... The powers that be are ordained of God." Or, as Coe has put it, "we work with power where we can, build new power where we can't."

When Time put together a list of the nation's 25 most powerful evangelicals in 2005, the heading for Coe's entry was "The Stealth Persuader." "You know what I think of when I think of Doug Coe?" the Reverend Schenck (a Coe admirer) asked us. "I think literally of the guy in the smoky back room that you can't even see his face. He sits in the comer, and you see the cigar, and you see the flame, and you hear his voice--but you never see his face. He's that shadowy figure."

Mother Jones article:Hillary’s prayer: Hillary Clinton’s religion and politics

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

...

“We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, I wouldn't say secret diplomacy,” as an “ambassador of faith.” Coe has visited nearly every world capital, often with congressmen at his side, “making friends” and inviting them back to the Family's unofficial headquarters, a mansion (just down the road from Ivanwald) that the Family bought in 1978 with $1.5 million donated by, among others, Tom Phillips, then the C.E.O. of arms manufacturer Raytheon, and Ken Olsen, the founder and president of Digital Equipment Corporation. ... The mansion is named for these trees; it is called The Cedars, and Family members speak of it as a person. “The Cedars has a heart for the poor,” they like to say. By “poor” they mean not the thousands of literal poor living barely a mile away but rather the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom: the senators, generals, and prime ministers who coast to the end of Twenty-fourth Street in Arlington in black limousines and town cars and hulking S.U.V.'s to meet one another, to meet Jesus, to pay homage to the god of The Cedars.

...

Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves “the new chosen.”

...

A man I didn't recognize, whom Charlene identified as a former senator, suggested that negotiators from Rwanda and Congo, trapped in a war that has slain more than 2 million, should stop worrying about who will get the diamonds and the oil and instead focus on who will get Jesus. “Power sharing is not going to work unless we change their hearts,” he said.

...

Tiahrt was a short shot glass of a man, two parts flawless hair and one part teeth. He wanted to know the best way “for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim.” The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs. Doug agreed this could be a problem. But he was more concerned that the focus on labels like “Christian” might get in the way of the congressman's prayers. Religion distracts people from Jesus, Doug said, and allows them to isolate Christ's will from their work in the world.

...

He reached over and squeezed the arm of a brother. “Isn't that great?” David said. “That's the way everything in life happens. If you're a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that's who you guys are. When you leave here, you're not only going to know the value of Jesus, you're going to know the people who rule the world. It's about vision. 'Get your vision straight, then relate.' Talk to the people who rule the world, and help them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that, but of the world.” Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan's vast, reclaimable empire.

...

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

The Harper's article is long but very interesting.
Here's more for anyone interested:

"Clinton ... has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5064236

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html

US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) at the National Prayer Breakfast, February 2007, in Washington, DC.

The Fellowship, which sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast, quietly effects political change. It acts with the blessing of many in power. http://www.toobeautiful.org/lat_020927.html


Doug Coe is the man in the middle

More threads: Why is it Barack Obama's pastor is being singled out

Meet Hillary's Religious Leader, Rightwingnut Doug Coe

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

'The Fellowship' & "How Hillary Clinton Turned Herself into the Consummate Washington Player"

Why Obama must be destroyed

HRC's religious advisor provides Congresspeople 'sex-segregated housing& spiritual guidance'

[oasis]

62. The Rezko years: More poor judgement by Obama.

:-(

[David Zephyr]

63. Another Herman Munster race thread: "his will galvanize white working class people."

Is there any other subject that ever crosses your mind?

[grantcart]

65. If we take a collection up will you re-issue the Clinton Wyoming Victory Thread?

[dcindian]

66. WTF is wrong with you Clinton brown shirters.

God the republicans are acting better then you.

[barack the house]

67. ALL the pstor said is how black people suffer in America should they say thank you. Women suffer too

should they be happy about the sexism can we at least relate here.

[2rth2pwr]

70. How many times has he said "words mean something" ?

How many times has he based his qualifications on his judgement?

The superdelegates need to make the right decision.

Hillary 2008

[jackson_dem]

84. Obama-Wright: Just Words?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=105156&mesg_id=105156

[thevoiceofreason]

72. And you don't know how to spell either.

[rodeodance]

74. REC

[Sal316]

76. Kool-aid drinkers?

"You kool-aid drinkers don't know how serious this is."

It isn't serious at all.

It's tabloid politics.

[Radical Activist]

77. Were you masturbating when you wrote that?

I know you must really get off on this as much as you hate Obama. Are you throwing a party? You really are pathetic. Bill and Hillary have had so many worse scandals than this I've lost track of the number.

[HughMoran]

85. Give it a break

Don't act like an Obama supporter - be better than that.

[theredpen]

87. Megadittos, Herman Munster

Gee, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_031408/content/01125106.guest.html">Rush Limbaugh said it nearly word-for-word!

Yet you not only joined his church, you remained there for 20 years; you had this pastor marry you and your wife, and you had him baptize your children. ... Senator Obama, if you're unaware of what your own pastor of 20 years has been preaching -- of his association with Farrakhan, of his trip to see Moammar Khadafy -- how can you be trusted to be president of the United States?

How can it be said that you are as smart as they say you are if you're going to tell us you don't know what all this guy has been saying? Senator Obama, as recently as 2006, it's reported that you contributed $22,500 to the pastor's church.

You said, "It was the lead story on FOX all day and all the talk shows like Rush..." You know, I had no idea it was on Rush Limbaugh until I read about it on Free Republic. Appears you're well-acquainted with his work on your own.