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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:47 PM
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Obama or Clinton please take one for the team
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 12:03 AM by maxpower
I don't post here often, I read a lot of what is written here and elsewhere. I understand the devotion a lot of you have for your preferred candidate, my guy Edwards is long gone, I had the same passion. If the our party is to survive some old time, smoke filled room, politics needs to be done. At this point we need to unify as a party, one of the candidates needs to take one for the team. We need to focus on McCain, because these bastards are about to start something with Iran. Someone needs to sit the two sides down and if it comes to it, flip a freakin coin. The rethugs are laughing as we once again engage in a circular firing squad. This is exactly what they want. It doesn't cost them a dime, while we destroy ourselves. You know they are going to use all the negative bullshit the two candidates are slinging at each other against us. Someone needs to talk some sense into the powers that be and remind them we need a united party behind one candidate, sooner rather than later. Or else four more years of SSDD.










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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:48 PM
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1. I have been saying this for the longest
We have a clear winner. I don't know what's taking so long.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:50 PM
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2. We do not have a clear winner.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:52 PM
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4. We do, you are just denying it
She can't win the PDs. She is very unlikely to win the popular vote, and even if she did it takes a back seat to the PDs.

She can only win if the Superdelegates lose their fucking minds and overturn the PDs. Which guarantees a McCain presidency.

Why is this so hard to understand?
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:16 AM
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13. We pretty much do
It's impossible to to pull out a victory this late in the game down by that many delegates.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:51 PM
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3. just some headstrong women.....
who haven't taken the bangs out of their eyes yet...

Go Obama.

PS I'm a woman.....but, I agree, you need to listen and see that Hillary is destroying any chance for a victory and if she can't have it, no one else will. It's the all American woman way.....

(OK I'll say it for you and save you some keystrokes...."now that is sexist")
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:54 PM
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8. it was headstrong women who got women the vote.....
take the bangs out of your own eyes.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:53 PM
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5. It boils down to egos
I think both candidates are qualified, I don't like the way the media is portraying Hillary this week, next week it may be Obama's turn. I am not taking sides on this issue. We need to end this now and focus and McCain and Bush before they blow up Iran.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:54 PM
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7. If the winner is already picked and it's a done deal, why doesn't Obama
ignore Hillary like McCain did Huckabee?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:53 PM
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6. At this point I don't care who it is. Just anyone give, so we can move on to loose big.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:55 PM
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9. you are right but it is going to the convention
in my opinion one candidate is so addicted to power that they will not leave the building unless they are escorted out by sheer force. I for one do not want to turn over power of the party and the government to that person.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:00 AM
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11. That is the problem
We need to unite behind one candidate before the convention. As Abe Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:44 AM
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18. Well we are going to have to build a new house and a better house
Because some of the people who were renting the house think that they own the house. And the new renters have paid the deposit and signed the lease and they have every right to be in the house, more over they have been kept out of the housing market for a couple of hundred years and unless the other folks can show that they have the delegates then they will have to step aside.

Don't talk to the people in here. The only way to stop this train wreck is for Gore/Carter/Mondale/Richardson/Edwards and the rest of the parents to intervene and support the nominee who has won the nomination with the one that has

the most

delegates
votes
states
donors
money raised
govenors endorsed
senators endorsed
etc.

This is where the old entrenched powers want to take us:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5033244
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:52 AM
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19. Well said
Nice post by the way, great analogy. I am not trying to start a flame war. We just have to face the cold hard fact, the powers that be want McCain, or any republican that will continue the destruction of our republic.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:59 PM
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10. The opportunity to unify was flatly rejected.
so I guess we keep fighting.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:12 AM
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12. That what makes us unique
will ultimately destroy us. We pride ourselves, as we should, for our individuality. The dark side can blindly follow the designated candidate, without any notion of his positions other that the R after his name. We need to find a way to unify the two groups, get Jimmy Carter to intervene for the love of Pete, he has a noble peace prize. If anyone can do it Jimmy can!
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Hilliard_Dem Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:28 AM
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14. But that's the tradeoff.
You don't want candidates attacking each other, and you want to avoid smoke-filled rooms. But that's the tradeoff; you can't have it both ways. If you want to keep the infighting private, then smoke-filled rooms is the way to go - the nominee will be selected without anyone ever seeing the dirty laundry. If you want the process to be open and have the public involved, candidates are going to attack each other. I really don't see any way around that. And maybe it's better to have the candidates vetted in that way before the general.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:33 AM
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15. Welcome to DU
I understand what you are saying. To me it is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It is getting late in the game, we need to focus on McCain.
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Hilliard_Dem Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:37 AM
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16. Thanks! (nt)
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:38 AM
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17. A reasonable request, but not gonna happen
Both are in for the whole nine rounds. I think there will be enough left for McCain in the end.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:04 AM
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20. BartCop covered this subject weeks ago. He shows, by logic, what ought to happen.
And the result will be that they will BOTH be president -- 16 years of Democratic leadership is at our fingertips. But the fool proof plan will only work if both candidates love their country more than themselves.

Check out Bartcop for his reasoning on why the greater good will be served by Obama deferring to Hillary this time. In eight years, it will be his turn and he will be 8 years younger THEN than Hillary is now.
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