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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:39 PM
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The Corruption of the Clintons: HELPING MONSANTO vs. FAMILY FARMERS, PA farmers see Clinton=Monsanto
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 07:57 PM by Dems Will Win


Clinton is already associated with Monsanto by PA farmers, and they have a long history with Monsanto, Jackson Stephens, the non-prosecution of BCCI, Tyson Foods cash payments and corruption. Read more:

In Getting Real in Pennsylvania--About Pennsylvania, ScaredHuman ties the Clintons to Monsanto. More significantly, he tells us that most dairy farmers in the state associate the Clintons with Monsanto wheeling and dealing. Next we learn some details of how Monsanto is a hated burden for dairy farmers.

Recently Pennsylvania survived a Monsanto push to ban labels telling consumers if the milk was rBGH-free or not.

We learn why "survive" is the appropriate word here. It turns out that liberals and PA dairy farmers are natural allies when it comes to truth in labeling. And don't expect Hillary Clinton to be able to get any traction with the issue. Our friend is inviting Obama to step into the breach.

Next comes an informative discussion of NAIS, how it has been forced on farmers by Monsanto, and what is wrong with it. NAIS is the National Animal Identification System, which will allow Monsanto to keep track of every animal on a farm. You need to read the diary to get the full implications of this. Once again, this is an issue on which progressives and dairy farmers need to make common cause.

How is this for making you want to mobilize:

For farmers who buy its GE-seeds, Monsanto sends Pinkerton agents onto their property to make sure farmers don't collect GE-seeds - Monsanto's patented "intellectual property." Monsanto also uses planes and helicopters to surveille farmers.


The issue of food safety also comes under scrutiny, with eye-opening results.

So, the Clintons are strongly associated with Monsanto in the minds of PA dairy farmers, and the way Monsanto is riding roughshod over the small farmers is almost perfectly analogous to the insulting, dismissive treatment we progressives have been receiving at the hands of the GOP.

Here's a comment from ScaredHuman from his dairy diary:

Oh, believe me, these are their issues. I am in touch with farming groups around the county and they are so enraged by NAIS you have no idea. Or how they feel about Monsanto, though many didn't know Monsanto was behind NAIS. These issues are survival ones to them. I am only trying to make the links between all the parts and to make them be compelling enough together, to possibly jump over into mainstream media attention for the farmers and on Hillary's current connection to Monsanto and Bill's really grotesque (as far as genetic engineering being released and all information shut down or warped and democratic processed subverted) history with them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/32635/47711/600/470281

Going Backwards:
Clinton Administration Appoints A Former Monsanto Corp. Lobbyist To Represent US Consumers On Genetically Engineered Food Issues

by Tom Abate

Leading consumer and environmental groups are fuming because the Clinton administration has appointed a former Monsanto Corp. lobbyist to represent U.S. consumers on a transatlantic committee set up to avoid a trade war over genetically engineered foods.

U.S. farmers have planted millions of acres of corn and other crops that have been genetically engineered to resist pests, and the growers want to export such produce freely. But in Europe, where genetically altered crops have been dubbed Frankenfoods, governments have imposed labeling rules and safety tests that have restricted U.S. imports.

Friction between the United States and Europe over the foods issue torpedoed last year's World Trade Organization (WTO) talks in Seattle and now threaten to erupt into a transatlantic trade war.

In a last-ditch effort to settle their differences, U.S. and European leaders agreed in May to create a 20-person Biotechnology Consultative Forum, representing pro and con interests on both sides of the Atlantic.

In a letter appointing the U.S. members of this advisory forum, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright asked them to suggest a compromise on labeling, safety testing and other regulatory issues, and to present it to the next U.S.- European economic summit in December.

To build support for this compromise effort, the State Department asked environmental and consumer opponents of bioengineered foods to nominate their representatives to the biotech powwow.

But this gesture backfired when the State Department ignored the nomination of consumer representative Michael Hansen -- a scientist with Consumers Union -- and instead gave the post to Carol Tucker Foreman, a Capitol insider who recently took over food issues for the Consumer Federation of America after 18 years as a lobbyist.

What angered critics most is that during her lobbying days, Foreman helped Monsanto -- the firm most closely identified with genetically engineered foods -- win approval for bovine growth hormone, a chemical that stimulates milk production.

``We think it's a big mistake to appoint a person to represent consumers who's been so closely tied to the biotech industry,'' said Dan Seligman, the Sierra Club's representative on trade issues.



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072600-03.htm



What did Bill do?

1. Bill's put Monsanto people in at the FDA, as US Agricultural Trade
Representatives, on International Biotechnology Consultive Forums,
and more ... or http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9904b/monsantofda.html or http://www.mindfully.org/GE/Revolving-Door.htm

2. Bill's FDA gave Monsanto permission to market rBGH (a GE bovine
growth hormone), the first genetically engineered product let loose
on us (or did tomatoes with fish DNA get there first?).

3. Despite reports of bovine illness and death, Bill's FDA did not
recall it or put warnings on it. Even "a very angry, very vocal
nationwide consumer base" had no impact. "


4. Bill's FDA wouldn't even label rBGH as "present" in milk.


5. When dairy farmers tried to label their own milk rBGH-free so the
public could choose, Bill's USDA threatened all dairies that their
products could be confiscated from stores. Michael Taylor, USFDA
Deputy Commissioner, was formerly Monsanto's counsel.

6. How were consumers to protect their family, given Bill's FDA
enforced public blindness, except to buy only organic? But Bill's FDA
tried to close off that last escape, proposing to include
in "organic" standards, "the dirty three" a : genetic engineering of
plants and animals, use of irradiation in food processing and use of
municipal sewage sludge as a fertilizer. (My emphasis.) The FDA
backed down.



Had this gone through, Monsanto could have finally labeled rBGH
milk ... as "organic." And animal waste from factory farms, a
pollution nightmare for Tyson and others, could have been sold as
fertilizer.

USDA head Dan Glickman: "This is probably the largest public response
to an rule in modern history." In fact the
response was 20 times greater than anything ever before proposed by
the USDA.

...

Politically, Bill sided against small farmers and against the
public's right to know, and with Monsanto.


http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/626639


PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CLINTONS HELPING MONSANTO
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:43 PM
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1. We shall see.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:59 PM
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2. Obama needs to come out against NAIS
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 07:59 PM by Dems Will Win
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:52 AM
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16. This article needs to describe what NAIS is, imho. Here is the gist:
It requires that you track all movement of all animals that you have. All farmers have to do this, and it is apparently very expensive for small farmers. Big companies can get IDs for groups of animals, dramatically cutting costs. Basically it unfairly screws small farmers.

That's what I could find doing a quick search. Not sure how accurate it is (I am assuming it is about right).
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:25 PM
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3. Hillary held her rural conference in DC at Monsanto lobbyist HQ
So later this month, according to THIS INVITATION, the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is holding a "Rural Americans for Hillary" lunch and campaign briefing at the end of this month....

..but she's holding it in Washington, DC....

...at a lobbying firm...

... and specifically, though it's not mentioned in the invitation, at the lobbying firm Troutman Sanders Public Affairs...

...which just so happens to lobby for the controversial multinational agri-biotech Monsanto.

You read that right: Monsanto, about which there are serious questions about its culpability regarding 56 Superfund Sites, wanton and "outrageous" pollution, and the decidedly unkosher (and quite metaphoric) genetically-bred "Superpig."

...A company that the website "Ethical Investing" labels "the world's most unethical and harmful investment."

Holding an agri-summit in the plush halls of the lobbyists for Monsanto doesn't sound like the kind of "rural Americans" a presidential candidate would necessarily want to be photographed with.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:02 PM
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5. All the appointees on the Board of Directors of Monsanto are Bush supporters
http://www.monsanto.com/responsibility/corp_gov/directors.asp

No one has been able to penetrate the Monsanto/Bush stronghold for decades.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:03 AM
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33. WHICH EXPLAINS WHY THEY ARE SUPPORTING HILLARY:
Yee-haw

October 18, 2007 10:06 AM

So later this month, according to THIS INVITATION, the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is holding a "Rural Americans for Hillary" lunch and campaign briefing at the end of this month….

..but she's holding it in Washington, DC….

…at a lobbying firm…

… and specifically, though it's not mentioned in the invitation, at the lobbying firm Troutman Sanders Public Affairs…

…which just so happens to lobby for the controversial multinational agri-biotech Monsanto.

You read that right: Monsanto, about which there are serious questions about its culpability regarding 56 Superfund Sites,wanton and "outrageous" pollution, and the decidedly unkosher (and quite metaphoric) genetically-bred "Superpig."

-snip

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/10/yee-haw.html


BUSH/JACKSON STEPHENS/CLINTON/BCCI
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:09 AM
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34. CLINTON CHIEF STRATEGIST MARK PENN'S TIES TO MONSANTO:
Polling Czar



After the 1994 election, Democrats had just lost both houses of Congress, and President Clinton was floundering in the polls. At the urging of his wife, he turned to Dick Morris, a friend from their time in Arkansas. Morris brought in two pollsters from New York, Doug Schoen and his partner, Mark Penn, a portly, combative workaholic. Morris decided what to poll and Penn polled it. They immediately pushed Clinton to the right, enacting the now-infamous strategy of "triangulation," which co-opted Republican policies like welfare reform and tax cuts and emphasized small-bore issues that supposedly cut across the ideological divide. "They were the ones who said, 'Make the '96 election about nothing except V-chips and school uniforms,'" says a former adviser to Bill. When Morris got caught with a call girl, Penn became the most important adviser in Clinton's second term. "In a White House where polling is virtually a religion," the Washington Post reported in 1996, "Penn is the high priest."

Penn, who had previously worked in the business world for companies like Texaco and Eli Lilly, brought his corporate ideology to the White House. After moving to Washington he aggressively expanded his polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland (PSB). It was said that Penn was the only person who could get Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on the same line. Penn's largest client was Microsoft, and he saw no contradiction between working for both the plaintiff and the defense in what was at the time the country's largest antitrust case. A variety of controversial clients enlisted PSB. The firm defended Procter & Gamble's Olestra from charges that the food additive caused anal leakage, blamed Texaco's bankruptcy on greedy jurors and market-tested genetically modified foods for Monsanto. PSB introduced to consulting the concept of "inoculation": shielding corporations from scandal through clever advertising and marketing.

In 2000 Penn became the chief architect of Hillary's Senate victory in New York, persuading her, in a rerun of '96, to eschew big themes and relentlessly focus on poll-tested pothole politics, such as suburban transit lines and dairy farming upstate. Following that election, Penn became a very rich man--and an even more valued commodity in the business world (Hillary paid him $1 million for her re-election campaign in '06 and $277,000 in the first quarter of this year). The massive PR empire WPP Group acquired Penn's polling firm for an undisclosed sum in 2001 and four years later named him worldwide CEO of one of its most prized properties, the PR firm Burson-Marsteller (B-M). A key player in the decision to hire Penn was Howard Paster, President Clinton's chief lobbyist to Capitol Hill and an influential presence inside WPP. "Clients of stature come to Mark constantly for counsel," says Paster, who informally advises Hillary, explaining the hire. The press release announcing Penn's promotion noted his work "developing and implementing deregulation informational programs for the electric utilities industry and in the financial services sector." The release blithely ignored how utility deregulation contributed to the California electricity crisis manipulated by Enron and the blackout of 2003, which darkened much of the Northeast and upper Midwest.

Burson-Marsteller is hardly a natural fit for a prominent Democrat. The firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants, to Royal Dutch Shell, which has been accused of colluding with the Nigerian government in committing major human rights violations. B-M pioneered the use of pseudo-grassroots front groups, known as "astroturfing," to wage stealth corporate attacks against environmental and consumer groups. It set up the National Smokers Alliance on behalf of Philip Morris to fight tobacco regulation in the early 1990s. Its current clients include major players in the finance, pharmaceutical and energy industries. In 2006, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57 percent of its campaign contributions to Republican candidates.

-snip
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman

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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:52 PM
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4. Wow. K & R (nt)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:04 PM
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6. Another reason why the clintons
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:06 PM by zidzi
have to go. I support Organic Farmers.

Thanks for the post, Dems Will Win!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:26 PM
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7. Go O! (Organic)
Actually Obama has a good organic program plan. RIght now NOP is only 9 people!!!!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:35 PM
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8. Could you link me with any Obama Organic
Plan? This would be important to the peeps where I work.

Also, sorry, what is "NOP"?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:51 PM
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9. Here's the main gist:
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:53 PM by Dems Will Win
Encourage Organic and Sustainable Agriculture: Organic food is the fastest growing sector of the American food marketplace. Demand for sustainable, locally grown, grass-finished and heritage foods is also growing quickly. These niche markets present new opportunities for beginning farmers because specialty operations often require more management and labor than capital. To support the continued growth of sustainable alternative agriculture, Barack Obama will increase funding for the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program to help farmers afford the costs of compliance with national organic certification standards. He will also reform the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Risk Management Agency’s crop insurance rates so that they do not penalize organic farmers.

Encourage Young People to Become Farmers: The average age of a farm operator in Iowa is 54, and there are not enough young people entering farming. Becoming a successful farmer is a lifelong endeavor. Barack Obama will establish a new program to identify the next generation of farmers and ranchers and help them develop professional skills and find work that leads to farm ownership and management. He will help our land-grant university system and the cooperative extension services work closely with organizations such as 4-H and FFA to identify and prepare candidates for this program.

Barack Obama will also provide a capital gains tax break for landowners selling to beginning family farmers, and a first-time buyers tax credit for new farmers. These incentives will make it easier for new farmers to afford their first farm.

http://iowa.barackobama.com/ruralplan

----------------------

The regional food system and paying to help make transtioning easier are very important

The NOP is the National Organic Program at USDA. I know the director.

MORE:

Strong Safety Net for Family Farmers: Obama will fight for farm programs that provide family farmers with stability and predictability. Obama will implement a $250,000 payment limitation so that we help family farmers—not large corporate agribusiness. Obama will close the loopholes that allow mega farms to get around the limits by subdividing their operations into multiple paper corporations.

Prevent Anticompetitive Behavior Against Family Farms: Obama is a strong supporter of a packer ban.

When meatpackers own livestock they can manipulate prices and discriminate against independent farmers. Obama will strengthen anti-monopoly laws and strengthen producer protections to ensure independent farmers have fair access to markets, control over their production decisions, and fair prices for their goods.

Regulate CAFOs: Obama's Environmental Protection Agency will strictly regulate pollution from large CAFOs, with fines for those that violate tough standards. Obama also supports meaningful local control.

Establish Country of Origin Labeling: Obama supports immediate implementation of the Country of Origin Labeling law so that Americans can distinguish American products from imported ones.

Encourage Organic and Local Agriculture: Obama will help organic farmers afford to certify their crops and reform crop insurance to not penalize organic farmers. He also will promote regional food systems.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:19 PM
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10. Monsanto holds all the patents on "Heirloom Seeds"
There is no such thing as organic seed anymore. You may be able to grow veggies in your garden organically but the seeds themselves have been bio-engineered and genetically modified by Monsanto and ADM. A good dvd to rent (if you can find it)is "The Future of Food". It's a 1.5 hr documentary, which sheds light on the shadowy relationship between agriculture, big business and government. It's an eyeopener.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:43 AM
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14. Thanks for that! I will definitely watch it.
This is something that I am very passionate about.

I did a lot of work in rural Mexico (Oaxaca state) and there are so many people who have been affected by Monsanto's involvement in the corn. Tampering with a staple that has been around for 1000s of years is bad enough, but the stories of the mistreatment of the indigenous people by Monsanto would blow your mind.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:29 AM
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20. Extraordinary, you said that..
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:30 AM by Tellurian
The Mexican corn crop grown by the indigenous people is explored in depth on the dvd. . It's really sad and heartbreaking..as well as the plight of the family farmers. There used to be a law on patents. Anything living could not be patented, it was not allowed by the patent office. Monstanto/ADM took that law all the way to the SCOTUS.. and had it overturned. I hope when Hillary is elected she does something about this.

I can safely say, I am not impressed with Obama's proposal outlined above.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:56 AM
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24. Thanks! What do you not like about Obama's proposal, if you don't mind explaining?
Do you think it could be easily approved upon IF he becomes the nominee?
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:26 AM
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19. That's not true ("no such thing as organic seed anymore)
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 07:26 AM by catgirl
If you can get them for your backyard, why can't you get them for your small family farm?
True, seeds waft around in the wind onto other farms, which is a problem.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:36 AM
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23. The seed labeled Organic/Heirloom is just a name..
and is all owned by Big Business..and as I said, has been genetically altered (to not produce seed) and bio-engineered adding to the molecular structure of the plant weed killer to discourage and/or kill bug infestation.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:03 PM
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27. That's scary- thanks for the info. (nt)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:14 PM
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35. Just google organic seeds
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:01 AM
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25. You will have to provide some documentation.
"There is no such thing as organic seed anymore. You may be able to grow veggies in your garden organically but the seeds themselves have been bio-engineered and genetically modified by Monsanto and ADM."

I don't believe this.
Please provide some documentation.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:29 AM
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39. KICK
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:09 AM
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11. Unbeleivable.
:kick:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 09:45 AM
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32. Absolutely
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:06 AM
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12. Obama's Top Adviser Moses Mercado is a LOBBYIST for MONSANTO
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:10 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Moses Mercado joined the Barack Obama presidential campaign team and already he's making waves.

The waves are being generated by Mercado's other line of work -- as a lobbyist with Ogilvy Government Relations who is registered to represent several dozen big-name clients, including the National Rifle Association, the Carlyle Group, the Blackstone Group, Monsanto, Pfizer Inc., United Health Group, Sempra Energy and Constellation Energy.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/28/mer...

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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:45 AM
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15. Can you relink that article? I'm interested in reading it, but link didn't work.
Maybe I'll search in the washington post archives.
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:35 AM
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21. Lobbyist hold no loyalties
They are just paid spokes people. If you pay them enough money they'd probably lobby for Satan! And they usually do!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:12 PM
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28. All three candidates left have strong ties to some lobbyists.
And not a one of them will do anything about it, either during the campaign or once whoever gets into office.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:33 AM
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13. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:19 AM
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17. Clinton is also responsible for...
ending the banana trade between small farmers in the Caribbean and Europe. It totally devastated the local economies and some small farmers committed suicide. Who was the monied interest behind it? Chiquita Bananas. Huge contributors to the Clintons.

Also, isn't Monsanto one of the companies who had Bremer include in the original 100 new laws for Iraq where Iraqi farmers were required to buy their seed from Monsanto because they patented many of the seeds used by indigenous farmers around the world?
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:36 AM
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18. Monsanto is important they are trying to control world food supply by modifying seed so only they
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:37 AM by barack the house
can supply. This isbig we need to break it down to basics for all to understand quickly. Monsanto want to on the worlds food supply.
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:36 AM
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22. This was really enlightening thanks! nt
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:53 PM
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30. You'e Welcome!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 10:35 PM
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37. You're Welcome!
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:09 AM
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26. People in rural PA need to look to upstate NY to see what Hillary has done.
I live in upstate NY and she has done nothing at all for us. Our area is worse off than ever before despite her promises.

The only thing I can see that the carpetbagger has done is use NY as a stepping stone to become President.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:27 PM
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29. I live in upstate NY and I can confirm Lone Wolf
After the Linstening Tour came 2 terms of totally ignoring us.

TATA offshoring, though, they got lots of help!!!

CLINTON IS A BACK-STABBER
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:18 PM
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31. How utterly vile and corrupt the Clintons have become!
They are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:54 PM
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36. Exactomundo!
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38. kick
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