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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:44 PM
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Is Pastor-gate a serious issue?
Is it worse than NAFTA-gate?

I thought the recent Ferraro-gate was pretty bad. Didn't see Hillary reject and denounce until it was too late.

What about pillow-gate? Obama hasn't had as much favorable press since Hillary raised the issue.

Personally I thought Xerox-gate was pretty bad. Shame on you Barack Obama.

We'll see how far Pastor-gate can go. Obama needs to reject and denounce ASAP.


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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:45 PM
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1. It might be, but that doesn't mean it *should* be
:eyes:
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:48 PM
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2. Not an issue for Obama. For anyone else maybe, not BO.
Obama could murder an infant on live TV and anyone who objected would be raked across the coals as a bigotted maggot who hates change.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:51 PM
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6. That's because, like Reagan and the Big Dawg, he is made of teflon...

I know you're jealous, because your candidate is made out of two-way duct tape.



Don't hate him because he's successful.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:54 PM
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12. wow.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:57 PM
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15. I don't hate him at all. I love Obama. I would love to see him
elected president in the future, but if he is elected long before he has the experience and gravitas needed to succeed, he will only injure progressivism.

Its a shame that none of his "followers" care enough for him to tell himn the truth.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:49 PM
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3. Don't forget ...
"rezko-gate", "muslim-robe-wearing-gate", and the new one "gate-gate"; heard he left the gate of his house open, and his dog ran out, michelle wasn't too pleased about THAT one
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:49 PM
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4. I haven't seen a candidate, ever, whose pastor I liked or trusted
So it is hard for me to see it as an issue. The same crap was to come up if Romney was the GOP nominee. Fundies have "had the reins" for some time, and have made little difference - we do have an actual separation of church and state that seems to work, and I think most people are comfortable with it, and with someone's pastor being a bit whacked.

Personally I don't care, and I can't see most people caring other than for the entertainment factor. Wright is a kick to watch...
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:50 PM
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5. No.
It's a complete bullshit issue, despite the panicked protestations to the contrary.

On the plus side, it puts the kybosh on all the "he's a muslim" rumors.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:51 PM
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7. What's he waiting for? He needs to come out and vociferously reject this crap.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:52 PM
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8. Oh, it's the watershed moment for this generation.
I lay awake at night worrying about Jeremiah Wright, and what he's going to do with all our white wimmin.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:55 PM
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13. ^_^
i know, i hope this one lasts. gives the hillbots a non-issue to chew on for awhile lol
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:56 PM
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14. How long until they top Ferraro?
I'm giving them until the end of next week.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:57 PM
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16. I don't think you fully appreciate the way his statements will offend a lot of people.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:00 PM
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19. Fuck 'em.
We always knew that people would race bait against Obama in order to get out the racist white vote.

In fact, Clinton supporters kept reminding us about it before they started doing it.

It's a non-issue.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:09 PM
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22. Don't complain when rural counties vote 90% Republican in the fall then.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:10 PM
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23. The only people offended by this...
are already racist, and wouldn't vote Obama anyway.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:35 PM
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26. Excuse me? I was offended by the fact he accused basically all white people
of being racist. I happen to be white. I never attack anyone for how they were born. I don't expect to be attacked either and will be offended when I am.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:43 PM
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28. ...
:shrug:
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:11 PM
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24. Enjoy losing most of the Midwest then and having another Republican president.
Tough to make math work without PA, OH, MI, WI and IA...and probably all of them.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:52 PM
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9. On this forum? No. In the real world? Could be.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:52 PM
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10. It will be an issue, the RW will make it so
I already got an e-mail about this a few weeks ago. Someone told me that I should "check out" who I was supporting. Obama will need to reject the anti-white rhetoric before it goes ballistic.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:53 PM
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11. I think it's a BIG deal
Personally I don't think it's important, but it will be a HUGE issue if Obama doesn't defuse it properly. And he hasn't so far.

The Republicans will be playing up the Obama hates white people, Obama is a trojan horse for radical ideas angle, to make mainstream white voters uncomfortable with him and view him as some kind of an alien. And this gives them more grist for the mill.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:00 PM
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18. How do you suggest he defuses it properly? nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:12 PM
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25. hell if I know how to defuse that. nt
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:00 PM
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20. He already came out against it in January and then again last month.
Do you really expect Obama to say something about this issue every time someone, somewhere, brings it up?

It already doesn't seem to have legs, as no one is talking about it today. So why borrow trouble?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:58 PM
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17. I posted months ago...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 06:01 PM by butterfly77
about his pastor, sharpton,jesse and other things that relate to blacks and I knew the closer we got to the nomination these and other things would be used against Obama. I was for Hillary then and back then the media was unfair to her but now it is too late, the people around her are playing any card they can because they don't want obama to win..I don't think that obama needs to denounce anything so what will he denounce everything he says and never talk to him for the rest of his life. Bush hasn't denounce a damn thing and flauts it in our faces just as McSame does...
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leeman67 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:01 PM
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21. As an Obama supporter I am somewhat concerned
about the "preacher issue" after hearing the audio of some of his speeches, although I don't associate his remarks with anything having to do with Obama. I would also point out that if Obama gets the nomination then the Right will have a difficult time using this against him, because then all the Obama people have to do is play audio clips of that lunatic Rod Parsley, who is one of McCain's "spiritual advisors." It's really debatable which one sounds crazier.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:38 PM
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27. The link to the "Reverend's" comments.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM&hl=en

I don't understand how Clinton can be bashed over Ferraro's statements resulting in her denunciation of a woman who has never had a racist bone in her body but Obama can proceed without denouncing this pastor- unless he agrees with the pastor, in which case I'd like to know.
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