For a lot of reasons, the so called Pastorgate is no big deal. Hillbots can stop salivating now

[Joe the Revelator]

and nothing more then more bullshit from the languishing Hillary campaign. She should be ashamed of herself.

Reasons this won't matter:

1. It came out at a great time for Obama. Six weeks is a long time and whoever (Hillary) wanted to attack Obama with this used up the best of whats out there already. In guy speak, they blew their load too soon.

2. Obama is going to lose PA anyway. This will have no real affect on the outcome of that primary.

3. This inoculates him from Pastor Wright attacks in the GE. He answers it now and people aren't going to care come November. In fact, I don't really think people care right now.

4. Hillary and McCain have their own crazy preachers. McCain isn't going to be able to say much when he's endorsed by Hagge and Robertson

5. This is being used as a defensive move to get the press off of Geraldine Ferraro. All this is doing is making her story go away, its obviously not making a story for Obama. The problem is, people already think, because of the huge media coverage, that Hillary is running a racist campaign.

6. Obama separated himself from Wright long ago, Wright doesn't speak for Obama, and has no official place in the Obama administration

7. Wright didn't say anything that Liberals haven't been saying for ages. It can easily be argued that 9/11 was caused by American foreign policy. It was a sentiment that was quite popular around here before the Hillary-DINO's came onto the scene.


So while the Hillary supporters on this board are drooling and thinking that they can create this story out of nothing (look in their supporters forum) they are really just showing how foolish they really are (again).

Keep it up guys, you make this easy.

[democrattotheend]

1. When did Obama separate himself from Wright?

I wasn't aware of that. If that is the case it will make our lives much easier. I wasn't sure how to respond when one of my mom's friends in PA asked her about it and she called me to ask if I had a response.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. He's compared Wright to a crazy uncle that says thing that makes the rest of the family cringe

He's also said MULTIPLE times that Wright doesn't speak for him and that he doesn't have to agree with everything that the preacher at his church says.

[democrattotheend]

5. Does he still belong to his church?

Just want to get my facts straight here.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. I think so, but they have a new pastor

Wright retired.

[Bake]

66. Wright's still there until May.

Bake

[jmg257]

23. Not for nothing - but that is pretty weak. A pastor that preaches hate constantly is a far stretch

from a "crazy uncle" who makes people cringe on occasion. I don't think Obama just "tolerates" Wright because he must - he has choosen to be a member of his congregation for 20 years; and it is only now, now that what that guy is all about is known AND Barack is being questioned about it, that he distances himself from him - a little?

I want to know more about this issue. (but we don't need 100 posts here - I will do my own research and wait for more from Obama)

[KittyWampus]

44. "preaches hate constantly" wtf? you have a problem.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. last time a candidate's religion was an issue was Kennedy's Catholicism

The Irrelevance of Obama's Minister
By M.J. Rosenberg - March 14, 2008

...The last time a candidate's religion was an issue was Kennedy's Catholicism in 1960. Kennedy's priest, Joseph Cardinal Cushing, was a pretty old school Catholic with all the old school Catholic political views.
Did that discredit Kennedy as a candidate?

Sadly, it did with alot of people. Bigots across the land cited his church as a reason not to vote for him, cited Cushing and the Pope as scary political influences on a JFK Presidency, howled about what Kennedy's faith indicated about the kind of leader he would be.

But that was 48 years ago and, today, we call the people who used Kennedy's religion against him ignorant bigots. Now we call them political strategists.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/14/the_irrelevance_of_obamas_mini/

[Seeker30]

59. Actions speak louder than words

I really don't give a fuck what he says at this point, 20 years association means a hell of a lot more than a paragraph of words from a man tring to become president.

[4themind]

3. Well the current thing that's seems to be...

propping this up was his appointment to Obama's "African American Religious Leadership Committee" before he made that Jan. speech. I don't know a whole lot more about the board (whether it's a paid position or not) but that seems to be the the political link that's been put forward from some right now.

[ampad]

4. As many of said today

The smell of desperation and the taste of sour grapes must be maddening for Hillary supporters.

[jobycom]

6. It will destroy him in the general.

The RNC will tie together all the rumors they've been circulating. They'll portray Obama as an American-hating black radical with Muslim roots. He doesn't wear flags, he doesn't stand for the National Anthem, he hates the Pledge. Someone will link him to the Black Panthers or Elijah Muhammad. Reverend Wright will be the thread that ties it all together. Brace yourself.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. You're wishful thinking is pretty funny

did you even read my post? All this does is inoculate him against that.

[jobycom]

17. Your petty state of denial causes my mouth to turn upward at the corners.

Did you read mine?

Nothing will innoculate him from what the Republicans will do. It might help him prepare. Kerry and Gore where a hell of a lot more experienced, and they couldn't handle it. Maybe Obama will be different. Maybe the mood of the nation will make the difference. But if he laughs at it like you, start figuring out who you like for 2012.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. MY state of denial?

You apparently support a candidate who has no realistic chance of winning the nomination and you want to talk to me about MY state of denial? Jesus Christ...

[jobycom]

20. You'd do it for Randolph Scott!

What did I say in support of any candidate? What part of my post on Obama had anything to do with another candidate? You are trying to dismiss my point by refering to something completely irrelevant to it. Nice tactic. Again, I hope your candidate is less in denial than you.

[KittyWampus]

45. LOL! I thought they were going to tie him to Muslim terrorists. Get your smears right

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. exactly. now we don't have bigots, we have political strategists

behind all of this religious stuff, and clearly these same critics don't even
care about God or religion.

[jobycom]

68. I didn't smear him, I predicted the Republican strategy against him. Get your facts right.

And quit seeing everything in terms of for and against. Analysis is still possible in this race, even though reason has gone out the window for most people.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

57. like it did JFK? n/t

[jobycom]

69. Exactly like it did John F Kerry, yes. That's my point, though you miss it. nt

[scheming daemons]

8. You forgot one....

8. It blows away the myth that Obama is a muslim. Controversial church or not... it is a CHRISTIAN church... and the story subliminally lets a lot of people who know nothing about Obama other than what they got in a spam email that he is NOT a muslim.

[jlake]

10. Keep dreaming. Obama is a rabid racist and America will reject that shit.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Is there anything you're not way over the top on?

[Nia Zuri]

14. Hi jlake!

[leeman67]

15. Wow. Like get therapy or something.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. You've completely lost it.

[jlake]

49. Link?

[dionysus]

60. someone forgot their thorazine today!

here, banky will make it all better....

[NorthernSpy]

12. oh my gawd, I HOPE they drag this stuff out in the general...

Please -- just give us an excuse.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5059676&mesg_id=5059676

[leeman67]

16. As I said in another thread, Compare the guy at Obama's church to..

Rod Parsley, and I honestly can't tell which one sounds crazier. He just wants to kill all Muslims. Literally. Parsley is now McCain's trusty spiritual advisor.

[Mooney]

13. Let them keep salivating.

Who the fuck cares? This is like the 8 millionth faux outrage they've come up with since Iowa. It will be discarded in favor of the next MO-killing scandal in a couple of days.

[Cha]

19. Pennsylvania might surprise us..like

you say, "six weeks is a long time".

[obamian]

21. Listen to Jeremiah Wrights sermon, and more on his relationship with Obama

Could someone start a new thead about this? I've made too many in the last 24 hours. But here are some additional details you can use to defend Obama against attacks.

Here is the sermon "Audacity to Hope" that inspired Obama to join Jeremiah's church:

http://mp3.christianity.com/mp3/mp3repos32/MMYSEES/317_60682_JeremiahWright__TheAudacitytoHope82A.32.mp3

Jeremiah wright on his relationship with Barack Obama:
Q: Barack Obama calls you his spiritual mentor and role model.

Photo Of Wright A: He's kind in his use and choice of language. Someone just asked me � about mentoring Barack and I said, you know, Barrack came here like he is now. I can't take credit for that. Barack has always been someone committed to grassroots organization, committed to the poor, committed to all people, committed to trying to find common ground. In fact, when I met him I called him the dreamer, and I'm laughing because the night he was elected he asked me to deliver the opening prayer. And before I led his supporters in prayer I said I just want to say to you publicly -- your dream has come true. And I said that because when I met him he came into my office with all these wonderful ideas. He was a community organizer ... He was the organizer of all the churches in Chicago and got us all working together across the denominational lines. And I listened to him and I said, "Do you know what Joseph's brothers said to him when they saw him coming across the field?' He said, "No." I said, "They said behold the dreamer. You're dreamin'. This ain't going to happen." Well, the night he was elected I said your dream has come true, because he had pulled off bringing together disparate people, ethnicities, interests, from down-state -- I've been in Chicago since '69, and it's always been Chicago versus the rest of the state. He's been down-state and gotten miners, farmers, people in Cairo, Illinois, people who wouldn't even think about Chicago much less a black person voting for them, because he'd shone an interest in them, because six years in the state legislature have show he really cares about people, that he's not waving any banners or flags about my way or the doorway, you know, black power -- no, people power. That we can -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian -- we've got kids to raise, we've got neighborhoods to keep safe, we've got women and children to be concerned . We all have common interests. Well, that kind -- he was like that, he was like that. And, you know, I'd like to take credit and say yes, I made him who he is. No, I didn't. He was like that when I met him. He's been like that 23 years now. And right after he was elected I was at the Massachusetts Conference of the United Church of Christ. And they said what word of advice would you give to Senator Barack Obama now that he's United States senator? That you please stay the same now that you're in the United States Senate as you've been across the years, because that's very important.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1028/interview.html

[Scurrilous]

22. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Kick because people are still being stupid

:kick:

[HughMoran]

25. Is it true what Nance said about using terms like "Hilbots" in your title?

I think so - your post was not read by me due to that :shrug:

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Thanks for the kick anyway

This thread was aimed at rational people. I expected you to ignore it.

[HughMoran]

32. haha

Typical Obama jerk acting like an infantile child - as expected.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. You're the one who felt the need to inform me that you were too cool to read my thread

You sure are reading a lot of the responses.

[HughMoran]

36. Just replying to my own post. You used the moronic idiotic "Hillbots" term

So you can get off your high-horse doooooooooooode.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. You're responding to my posts

Because I'm in your kitchen. Thanks for the attention.

[HughMoran]

41. It's true

I'll kick your post again - fine with me.

[verelsol]

26. "bullshit from the languishing Hillary campaign" is wrong. ABC News is not the Clinton campaign

If we are to shoot the messenger, let's shoot the right one.

[BenDavid]

27. you do not have to concern yourself with us hrc folk, it is the

right wing radio and fox news that will run with this 7 days a week and I am sure there are many dems that listen to right wing talk....before you accuse me, I DO NOT, but they will force the msm media to keep this going and this will hurt obama.....

don't blame hrc and her campaign or her supporters....

[MonkeyFunk]

29. If it helps you sleep tonight...

go crazy.

But the "hillbots" aren't the problem.

[Honeycombe8]

30. No, this doesn't wash away before the GE. This is killer stuff. As in "kill a campaign."

How could any decent person attend a church headed by that hateful so-called man of God?

[Joe the Revelator]

31. You WANT it to be a campaign killer

but apparently you didn't even read the litany of reasons that it won't be.

[Honeycombe8]

42. No, I don't. I support Obama andwill vote for him.Unless he doesn't have a good excuse for attending

that hatemonger's church.

[meow mix]

33. yup. im glad for pastorgate its a great ammo waster

let em keep railing on it. =)

[Joe the Revelator]

35. There is something to be said for "keeping your powder dry"

suckers.

[JPZenger]

37. I Feel Responsible for Everything My Pastor Has Ever Said

I think this desparate attack will backfire, like all the others from Hillary's brain - Penn.

Are we supposed to feel responsible for everything that our pastor/priest/rabbi has ever said?

Is this the worst thing they can find on Obama? That just shows the ethics of Obama, that they can't find anything really bad that he has done.

[JPZenger]

40. 18% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim

First they put all this effort into spreading emails that were successful in making 18% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim, according to NBC News.

Now, they are changing course and publicizing the fact that Obama has been an active member of the same Protestant Church for 20 years. Maybe they are doing Barack a favor.

[Oilwellian]

52. I think it's only 13%

People aren't buying the propaganda anymore. And when they start researching the United Church of Christ, they'll find many notable republicans & democrats who were/are members of the same denomination as Obama. I say it's a win for him...it proves he's not a Muslim.

I think the people running Hillary's campaign are on cocaine...they certainly aren't thinking things through and their mudslinging continuously backfires.

[JPZenger]

53. Yes,, 13% is correct

Sorry. You are correct the poll was 13%.

[Bake]

67. They're not going to research it.

They're going to hear Wright say, "God Damn America" and they're going to go ballistic. It's already happening. You wouldn't believe the number of people who have asked me about it just since yesterday. It's a hot topic, and it's going to stick.

Bake

[jmg257]

43. That Obama's spirtual advisor preaches hate? Na - no big thing. Hopefully it will pass quickly.

This one is from the RW though - Hannity started it, now all the MSM is on it.

For once Hill is clean (so far - her camp?..."no comment")

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

38. The Reptards are afraid of Obama (big time!)

O'Really had two guests on and both agreed with him that it was a BIG problem.

No guests were on to defend. A complete attack job, like an infomercial.

lol. Real fair and balanced.

Faux is trying some negative electioneering at the buzzer.

Desperation attempt.


Easy victory over McBabble coming this Fall, and they see it.


Does O'Really agree with all of HIS associates' and friends' opinions everywhere?

[Occam Bandage]

46. It doesn't inoculate him if he doesn't fight it off.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Waahhhhhhhh!

Leave Obama alone!

[Joe the Revelator]

50. You use to be cooler

I can only assume the pressure is getting to you.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. No pressure. I support both candidates.

And I'll always be cool.

[JPZenger]

54. Priests Who Give Sermons Attacking Abortion and Birth Control

Obama needs a quick response, even though this whole issue is silly.

Are Catholic Clinton supporters going to have to respond if their priest gives a sermon seeking the outlawing of all abortion and the end of all birth control? Where does this stop?

[wiggs]

55. This is easy to parry aside for Obama. Look for the definitive line today....

...the campaign follows Lakoff advice about framing issues and will not only deflect responsibility but will do it with humor and in a way that reflects badly on the opposition (McCain probably).

"I suggest that, when Rev Wright runs for President, you ask him about his comments. Ask me about mine."

"Pastor Wright is also a Yankee fan...that doesn't mean I need to be"

"For every Wright, there are 100 Hagees, Dukes, Robertsons, and Ferraros. I suggest that they are much more harmful to America than some fire and brimstone once a week"

"I reject those comments. They are not mine. I also reject Hagee's comments about Catholics that I also happened to hear. I hope I don't have to make an announcement about everything I hear that I don't agree with."

"I reject those comments. Here are a few other comments I disagree with: "

"I have a lot of friends. Do you want me to think about everything they say that I disagree with and give you my response? This is silly"

They'll come up a better one, I'm sure. It will only get legs if they let it and so far the Obama campaign has shown talent in responding quickly and with effective sound-bites.

[ClassWarrior]

61. Wish I could recommend your post.

Or recommend you for a job with the O campaign. Nice work.

:toast:

NGU.

[Rockholm]

62. Wright's Words are SO RACIST.

He hates white people.

[springhill]

63. Oh man, you are just hilarious...............

If this were Clinton you would be all over her, in fact, the whole board would. She's be called every name in the book and it would be just one more reason why she is vile and evil. From the Daily Howler, and oh how true this is:

Many people have said and done stupid (or perhaps dishonest) things during this campaign. On Monday, we spoke about “shirts and skins,” a way we fellows divide the world when we play pick-up basketball. But then, the human brain is wired that way; it was wired, during many years of prehistory, to see the world as “us and them.” As long as you submit to that wiring, you’ll feel the insults aimed at your tribe—and you’ll gaze dumbly at the emotions of others. You’ll understand your own team’s sense of offense—and be puzzled by Ferraro’s.

When you’re a shirt, you’re a shirt all the way, if we may quote the old musical.

And when you’re a shirt, only skins commit fouls! We fellows have seen how it works on the court—but it becomes a lot more harmful when it’s exported to political battles. In this campaign, major players on various sides have said dumb things—or behaved dishonestly. Race cards have been—or may have been—played on various sides. And no, it isn’t easy to know when these cards are being deliberately dealt. Although, of course, it always feels good to pretend we do know—to rant histrionically.

Some of you will now compose e-mails, describing the outrageous offenses committed against your virtuous side. You might find yourself talking about things which offended you; you might not find yourself wondering about the things which may have offended someone else. You may even find yourself explaining somebody’s motives—where motive may be hard to detect. You may find yourself in the grip of a high level of certainty.

In short, you may find yourself repping the shirts, railing about what the vile skins have done. You may be “emotional” too! When you’re a shirt, you’re a shirt all the way! We’ll suggest that’s how Rove wins elections.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/

[Joe the Revelator]

71. So what you're saying is, the only reason this is important is because of old style partisanship

Great, this is just the kind of stuff that Obama is working to get rid of.

[Cameron27]

64. I'm not salivating,

it's Obama's problem to fix, not mine. The story's going to play out no matter what anyone here thinks about it, and no matter how well he fixes it, the GOP WILL use against him if he's the nominee.

[loveangelc]

65. Hillary is not responsible for this.

Fox news has been pushing this for months and its catching on now that he's the frontrunner. Personally I can't believe some of the things this man has said. I have never heard a preacher say things like "fix this shit" "god damn america" or make sexual thrusting gestures in the pulpit. I can only imagine what other crazy thing he's said we don't yet know of, there seems to be something new every time. Honestly I cannot believe Obama would call this man a mentor or go to his church for 20 years.

[Joe the Revelator]

70. Kick because people are STILL being stupid.