"Pastorgate"? WTF? You've got to be kidding...

[Blue_Roses]

:eyes: Just when I thought it couldn't get any crazier around here.

I heard the "pastor" on GMA and I thought, "wow, you'd never hear that in a white church," and with that same thought, I was reminded of the first black church I attended in college with a friend of mine. It was loud, and fun--something my white southern baptist church never allowed, much less hooted about on Sundays. We're talking about two different cultures and the variance of worship. Who are we to say that every culture should worship the same?

I don't associate Obama with the "pastor" any more than I associate Ferraro with Clinton or any more than I associate my rwing brother-in-law with me by his bigoted, rwing words.

[Nitrogenica]

1. "DU-ers acting like righties-gate"

[YOY]

2. I think this is a pure sign for Hillary's folks to put a goddamn fork in it

Cos it's more than done.

[Thepricebreaker]

3. Oh like we don't put -gate after almost anything on this board.

[Blue_Roses]

4. lol

got a point there...

and yes, it's gotten that stupid too...:rofl:

[scheming daemons]

5. What's worse? The idea that Obama is a muslim, or the idea that he belongs to ...

...a controversial CHRISTIAN church?



Subliminally, "Pastorgate" kills the Obama-is-a-Muslim garbage.

[Blue_Roses]

12. true

but if people are really paying attention, rather than snatching sound-bites--they would see that neither should an issue.

[bobbert]

15. That's a good point

If this gets played on fox news enough people will forget that he might be Muslim because the guy says the word 'Jesus' 20 times. This could be a blessing in disguise.

[Cha]

29. Welcome to DU, bobbert..

in the non lurking section:P I saw that other thread.

[uponit7771]

6. Next they'll demand Obama disassociate himself from his dog for barking at the mail person...

[MNDemNY]

7. Not just his pastor, his "spiritual advisor of twenty years"

Also the man Obama credits for the title of his book.They seem joined at the brain, to me.

[Blue_Roses]

8. you live in New York right?

Have you ever lived in the south? Do you know anything about the culture and how southern roots go deep--even when thoughts and ideas differ.?

[LostinVA]

11. What does the South have to do with any of this???

[Blue_Roses]

16. alot

how many protestant churches are north of the Mason-Dixon line?

Black and white cultural is grounded in the southern church.

this could be a topic all it's own...interesting too.

[MNDemNY]

20. Family I have still in the south, have/will pay attention to this.

Fer chrissake, many still think Obama is a Muslim.Even the Democrats!

[Cant trust em]

24. My brother-in-law's brother was spreading this a month ago

He suggested that we check out who we are supporting. They live in South Carolina.

[Blue_Roses]

I know, mine too

it's nuts

[MNDemNY]

17. I have, My wife is from SE Virginia. Wahoo-Wha.

[Blue_Roses]

19. this is not suppose to be a detour on the topic

but were you born and raised there?

[Blue_Roses]

21. Culture:

Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning "to cultivate,") generally refers to patterns of human activity and the symbolic structures that give such activities significance and importance. Cultures can be "understood as systems of symbols and meanings that even their creators contest, that lack fixed boundaries, that are constantly in flux, and that interact and compete with one another (Findley, Rothney p. 14). Different definitions of "culture" reflect different theoretical bases for understanding, or criteria for evaluating, human activity.

more...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

[MNDemNY]

26. The struggle with the "culture" has been a long time bane for

both myself and my wife,who's fabulous success in the arts seems to be always belittled when we go "home".

[MNDemNY]

23. No, About 10 years beetween VA andGA.

My wife of 20 years was and most of her family still there in the holler. Been there since leaving Jamestown.

[Lucinda]

25. Are you saying Chicago is in the South?

[Blue_Roses]

27. yes, ...

Migration has been one of the defining characteristics of black life in the United States since the forced migration of African slaves to the New World. Major movements before the Civil War included the Atlantic slave trade, the extension of slavery to the Mississippi Valley (1820-1850), the manumission and escape of slaves to freedom in the North, the movement of free people of color from the South to the North and Canada, and the immigration of small numbers of black Americans to Africa.

During and after the Civil War emancipated men and women moved to secure their freedom. At the same time many northern free blacks went south as soldiers, and other black men and women traveled south to teach and help lead communal institutions. The Exoduster movement (1877 to 1881) during which forty thousand to seventy thousand African-Americans left the former slave states for Kansas was the first grass-roots movement out of the South. Blacks, in protest against the loss of political rights, sought equality and opportunity in the West. Then and later, the "Talented Tenth"--educated African-American leaders--fled the rise of Jim Crow and moved northward. Others considered emigration, but only a few ever returned to Africa.

The onset of the Great Migration--the mass movement of black people from the rural areas of the South to the cities of the North--came in the 1890s, as black men and women left to settle in eastern coastal cities such as Philadelphia and New York. The single largest movement of African-Americans occurred during World War I when approximately 500,000 people moved from the rural and small-town South into the cities of the North and the Midwest. The steady migration out of the South lasted until the 1970s; from 1916 through the 1960s, more than 6 million black people made the move. In the 1970s and 1980s, however, more black people moved to the South than left, part of a general population shift to the Sunbelt. When migration out of the South ebbed in the 1960s, the urban North and West became the focal point of black life. And even in the South, a majority of African-Americans lived in cities.

The Great Migration was a grass-roots, leaderless movement. All the migrants--male laborers, women domestics, families--made individual decisions to move. Nonetheless, the deterioration of the quality of life of southern blacks in the two decades prior to World War I, coupled with a labor shortage in the industrial North, stimulated the migration. In the South, the rise of Jim Crow, the disfranchisement of black voters, and the spread of lynchings and other mob violence against blacks provided strong impetus for individuals and families to move. Widespread flooding and the infestation of cotton by the boll weevil created additional economic woes in the rural South.

more...

http://www.answers.com/topic/black-migration

and more here...


The Great Migration, a long-term movement of African Americans from the South to the urban North, transformed Chicago and other northern cities between 1916 and 1970. Chicago attracted slightly more than 500,000 of the approximately 7 million African Americans who left the South during these decades. Before this migration, African Americans constituted 2 percent of Chicago's population; by 1970, they were 33 percent. What had been in the nineteenth century a largely southern and rural African American culture became a culture deeply infused with urban sensibility in the twentieth century. And what had been a marginalized population in Chicago emerged by the mid-twentieth century as a powerful force in the city's political, economic, and cultural life.

more...


http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/545.html

[Scurrilous]

9. K & R

:thumbsup:

[femrap]

10. Wright's sermons were going to come

out...it was only a matter of time. I looked at Trinity's website...Middle America ain't buying. Do you want a Dem in the WH in 2009 or not?

[Mooney]

13. I know, it's completely ridiculous.

Oh no! We're going to get in trouble!

[backscatter712]

14. Hillary needs to get the fuck out of the race.

Smears and fabricated scandals and veiled racist dog whistling are all she has left.

And those tactics are completely unacceptable.

She's dividing our party and damaging our chances in November.

Just get the fuck out. No. I don't want to hear it. She can't win. Not with superdelegates. Not with Florida and Michigan. The math is clear. She cannot win.

She's destroying progressivism. Get out. Just get out.

[Mags]

18. You call bullying by the BO supporters progressive? Give me a break.

I want no one in the Whitehouse that has been indoctrinated by this Minister.

[backscatter712]

22. I prefer to call it realism.

:eyes:

[Blue_Roses]

30. and this is a surprise

how? From your previous posts I would expect nothing more/less...:eyes:

[Mags]

31. And from you.

[Blue_Roses]

32. well I'll be damned...

we agree...see, that's what HOPE will do fer ya'...

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. These people are insane

I'm starting to see why the Freepers call people here DUmmies. There are a lot of dummies and lunatics on this board.

[GeorgeGist]

33. duh

who's WE?

[Blue_Roses]

34. WE is those that

know their name.