BREAKING: Plan to seat FL/MI delegates revealed

[Tropics_Dude83]

Sounds about as fair as it can get to me:

–Michigan’s delegates would be split 50-50 between Clinton and Obama.

–Florida’s existing delegates would be seated at the Denver convention—but with half a vote each. That would give Clinton a net gain of about 19 elected delegates.

– The two states’ superdelegates would then be able to vote in Denver, likely netting Clinton a few more delegates.

The betting: Florida and Michigan delegates, the DNC, and the Clinton campaign would all — some reluctantly– accept this deal.

Then it would be over to you, Barack Obama.

[democrattotheend]

1. I am mostly fine with that plan

But I think the superdelegates should lose their votes even if there is a revote, for all of the mess they have caused.

I'd prefer to see a revote in Michigan though, because I think a 50-50 split doesn't really reflect the voters. But based on the previous result as well as a recent poll, a primary in Michigan might end up around 50-50 anyway.

[TahitiNut]

45. ... and they get to spend absolutely NOTHING in Michigan and AVOID the questions of the jobless.

I'm disgusted and appalled. The TOTAL FUBAR that was the primary is NOT undoable. The treatment of this state as though it's a Leper Colony is an abominable attitude. The Democrats don't deserve to win any electoral votes in Michigan in November. This state has been thrown under the wheels of a bus - the Crooked Talk Express.

[Blue_Roses]

2. Link?

link please:shrug:

[Tropics_Dude83]

6. thepage.time.com n/t

Yeah I think this is an OK deal, still likely to see Obama go into Denver up 100. A new FL/MI vote has the potential to make Obama's pledged delegate lead like 30 so this is a good deal for him.

[saracat]

3. That is stupid. Florida should have its delegates seated and the FDP should be 'fined' MI should

revote. They are punishing the voters.

[Vinca]

13. It was an unfair election. Hillary Clinton is a well known figure,

having been First Lady for 8 years. If Obama had campaigned in Florida he would have gotten a much larger percentage of the votes. In addition, I've heard many, many people say they stayed home because they knew it wasn't going to count. To seat what is there is disenfranchising the voters who paid attention and figured it was a waste of time to go to the polls. If the tables were turned, the Hillary supporters would be demanding a new vote.

[saracat]

17. And didn't Edwards get 16% of that vote? What happens to those voters ?

And those delegates?

[Vinca]

20. I agree. Especially in Michigan. Edwards might have had a shot

at Michigan and that could have changed the whole campaign. What a mess.

[saracat]

22. Well, they actually voted for Edwards in Florida.And unlike Barack,

he kept his word and didn't "campaign".

[Vinca]

29. Barack didn't campaign. I realize a commercial spilled over that

was meant for South Carolina, but it wasn't intentional campaigning.

[Zhade]

54. Indeed! CLINTON is the one who campaigned but called it a "fund raiser".

Another lie from her supporters.

[saracat]

59. I am not saying she is innocent but they were specifically allowed to do

"fundraisers" and I think all the candidates did those.I know Barack and Edwards both did.

[saracat]

58. Pardon me but i don'r believe that.he is a politcian after all. If the other campaigns

could keep ad buys off the air, so could he.

[TAWS]

30. What about voters that supported other candidates but picked Clinton since she was the only dem...

on the ballot?

The vote was for Clinton or uncommitted. There were many people that had Clinton as their 2nd choice and picked her at the primary.

[saracat]

60. Michigan should be revoted. I agree

[kerry-is-my-prez]

33. Obama had a ton of ads in Florida - Clinton and Edwards had NONE.

n/t

[dchill]

57. Hyperbole rampant! How many ads...

in a TON! How many TONS?
Hillfreep.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

63. I heard about 10 a day in the last week or so on MSNBC....

Is the Hillfreep referring to me? Very mature.

[DrDan]

39. Obama who???

Obama ads ran in Florida. There were candidate visits. No one is uneducated about either candidate.

I know of no one who stayed at home and did not vote. There were other issues to be voted on - the primary was not the only reason to vote.

[cali]

40. Absolutely wrong.

This is actually about as fair a proposal as we can get. Florida does not get to flout the rules and be rewarded for it. Naturally you simply support the unfair, but favorable solution for dear hilly. They are NOT punishing the voters this way. They are punishing states that flagrantly act this way.

[Zhade]

52. No, the delegates should not be seated without a revote. That would be cheating.

NT!

[Exilednight]

53. I somewhat agree, but I would go one step further and strip both states of their SD's n/t

[Metric System]

4. I still think a re-vote is preferrable.

[tishaLA]

8. I agree. This is all fucked.

[bluestateguy]

5. I think Obama could still win with this scenario

And it would prevent more bloodletting in a messy campaign in those states.

[Tropics_Dude83]

14. If I were Senator Clinton, I would reject this out of hand

Like if I were her, looking out for MY best interests, no way would I take this. I want FL/MI seated as IS with no re-votes so I can win the nomination. I'd take it to the credentials committee and then to the floor. In fact, I would reject a new vote out of hand. Seat the delegates as is or let's fight it out in primetime in Denver.

Now, if I were Senator Obama, I would oppose any re-vote or any seating of the delegates at all and use my majority on the credentials committee to not seat FL/MI in any capacity. They broke the rules. They need to suffer the consequences. Again, the goal would be to win. This scenario gives my cushion 19 fewer delegates that I may need.

Now, as an observer, this deal sounds fair and equitable and makes both sides ticked. LOL.

[Yurovsky]

41. Isn't that what a compromise is all about?

i.e. making everyone unhappy? :grr:

[Pirate Smile]

7. We need someone to add up those numbers to calculate out what it means - delegate-wise.

It sounds ok to me EXCEPT I don't like the superdelegates getting their votes. They should lose them.

I'd like to see the numbers.

I don't want to do all the do overs.

We need this to be almost DONE!

[high density]

9. If that's what happens it sounds fine to me

A revote in any of these places at this point in the game seems increasingly unlikely given the money and time constraints involved.

I think Clinton is getting a sweetheart deal in Florida, but let's face it, the math remains very stacked against her.

[NJSecularist]

10. This would a great idea

[matt819]

11. Sounds like FL 2000 to me

There will always be an asterisk on this nomination and, as a result, on the presidency.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. No chance in Hell

Florida supers get full votes, but the people get half votes?

Michigan is divided 50-50 by fiat?

No chance in hell that will be agreed to. I hope...

Only proper sanctioned state-wide votes in MI and FL can determine MI and FL delegates.

This is about people, not the interests of individual candidates.

I would rather Hillary lost Michigan by 40 points in a real contest then get 50% because someone said so.

[andym]

18. The reason Clinton campaign might do this deal

The reason Clinton campaign might do this deal would be to legitimize the popular vote in Michigan.
It would be debatable whether this in fact legitimizes the vote (since her opponent was not on the ballot), but would strengthen the "argument."

[jezebel]

15. What would they do about the popular vote? I don't think it's fair if they start counting that

included in, especially in Mich. Unless they give Obama all the undecided votes.

[Mooney]

16. As Henry Clay once said,

a good compromise is one where both parties are equally dissatisfied. So what we have here is a good compromise.

[Occam Bandage]

19. That's a terrible plan. I want a revote or recaucus (pref. revote) in both states.

[GoldieAZ49]

24. send them $20 million to pay for it

[NJSecularist]

26. That money for a re-vote would be better off spent in the general election

We shouldn't waste money on a re-vote.

[NastyRiffraff]

21. Whoa. How do we know this is a "plan"?

Time has no references; only that list, substantiated by nothing. I want to hear from Dean before taking it as gospel.

[spartan61]

23. How many delegates would Obama receive in FL?

[angie_love]

25. Good deal. Accept it Obama.

[C_U_L8R]

27. Sounds fair to me.

I still blame the state legislatures for creating these messes
and they've seemed to weasel out fairly unscathed.
I hope voters in those states remember how much they screwed up
when it comes to their re-election.

[Tropics_Dude83]

28. Mark Halperin is a very reputable source

Former ABC News Political Director, Time Political editor, I'm sure his sources are impeccable.

[saracat]

61. Yes. he is the one that said Edwards called Obama a "pussy" !

[MadBadger]

31. That's probably what would happen anyway, and if they accept that, they know it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. why MI slpit 50/50 it should be 60/40 like the voters voted and in FL Obama got 26% 0f the vote

[TAWS]

35. Are you kidding? Obama could win a revote in Michigan

Last Rasmussen Poll had him in a exact tie with Clinton for a revote.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. then lets do a re-vote

[Zhade]

56. Uh, his name wasn't on the ballot. It wasn't a legit election.

Clinton didn't remove HER name as she agreed to.

No surprise a Clintbot wants to cheat, though. Losing does that to some people.

[pampango]

34. As long as in 2012, the DNC makes it clear that the rules really, really, really

have to be followed by the states and candidates this time during nomination process. Hash the rules out beforehand, get them agreed to and then follow them :)

[Bigleaf]

36. If I was Obama, I'd say no deal. He would win Michigan if there was an

actual legitimate primary vote. I'd say 50-50 split on both states or re-vote in both states. That's it, end of discussion. You don't give anything away to your opponent when you don't have to.

[Bad Thoughts]

38. This sounds a lot like Dodd's plan eom.

[GoldieAZ49]

42. Good plan, I hope they both accept it

fair as it can get without wasting money

[thoughtcrime1984]

43. I say do it, he'll still win the nom, and the states can stop fighting the DNC

I'm still appalled, particularly with the FL/MI legislators and Governor that put themselves above the process. They need to be punished. Actually, I think the supers from the two states still need to be null and void.

[Bucky]

44. Should we call them MIFL delegates?

Or just DILFs?

[dchill]

46. Fair? Fair is going by the rules...

If FL had played by the rules, their primary would have been March 11. Talk about relevant. Talk about influencing the nomination. No delegates should be seated with any kind of advantage for either candidate.

[book_worm]

47. This might be the fairest way to go at this point.

[Zhade]

48. I still don't see why they should be rewarded for breaking the rules they AGREED TO.

It's still cheating.

[TeamJordan23]

49. What about the popular vote? It seems unfair for the popular votes to count in each state. nm

[Exilednight]

50. This is the Dodd plan, and has already been rejected. We;re still at square one with this. n/t

[DemVet]

51. Obama has the most to lose if these delegates are not seated.

Particularly if he does win the Nom it'll kill him in the GE.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. source please?

[Fox Mulder]

62. Two things...

1. A revote would be more fair.

and

2. Where's your source?