JFK's dad was a known nazi-sympathizer.... did that make JFK one?

[scheming daemons]

Transplanting Rev. Wright's views onto Barack Obama is just as silly as saying that JFK shared the viewpoints of his father.


Damn, this is getting ridiculous.

[MNDemNY]

1. Obama hoisted them on his back himself.

[saracat]

2. JFK broke with his father on the war. That was one reason he wrote "Why England Slept".

Obama staes he finds "nothing controversial " about Wright and hasb't denounced or rejected him.

[ellacott]

3. He didn't say that

He didn't say that there was "nothing controversial" about his comments. Where are you all getting this information?

[saracat]

6. Brian Ross ABC News . Today. On the website

"In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

[Asia Expat]

17. What Obama said was..

"I don't think my church is particularly controversial"

I agree, there is nothing controversial about a pastor saying we should be singing God damn America instead of God bless America. I am sure it happens all the time all across America. :sarcasm:

[ellacott]

18. He has also said that he does not agree with everything his pastor says

[scheming daemons]

5. He has denounced Rev Wright's viewpoints .... (link)

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1


Obama's statements in the article: "he is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with."


Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton: "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

[saracat]

8. And for 20 years Obama listened to the 'hate speech' His whole Church is predicated on that.

Many Nazis also had an "affection for Hitler" And no one says that is okay. After all he liked children and pets.Give me a break

[scheming daemons]

11. The clips I saw are all recently.... I (and you) have no way of knowing if this is what

Wright preached like all the time.

[walldude]

46. So he should shoot the Pastor and that would make you happy?

Funny, when some Obama supporter says something stupid they get denounced or fired instantly. But that's just not good enough. I guess the Hillary supporters don't really "take his word for it" do they.

[saracat]

50. Really? McClurkin wasn't really denounced and Obama continued to tour with him

And Obama hasn't specifcally said he disagrees with Wright. he has rather implied that he is like a lovable batty old uncle instead of a racist.And he hasn't asked him to disassociate himself from his campaign.Hard to do that when he dedicated "Audacity of Hope" to him!And put him on the African American religious Leaders Committee of his campaign!

[saracat]

4. And Obama "chose "this church and JFK did not "choose" his father.

in addition to the fact he publically broke with him on the war.

[scheming daemons]

7. Wright didn't make those statements until Obama was already a member....

...unless you think that Obama is clairvoyant and able to tell back in 1988 what Rev. Wright would be saying after 9/11......

[saracat]

9. Are you NUTZ/ The point is exactly Obama was a memeber and didn't denounce this .Wright Married

Michelle and Barack.He baptized their children.He already spoke this way and Michelle has admitted that. THey "chose" this church.

[scheming daemons]

14. A) He HAS denounced these statements and B) Wright's controversial statements are RECENT....

They aren't from back in '88 when the Obama's joined.


My priest has pissed me off with a sermon here or there saying I was in effect a "baby murderer" if I wasn't a stout pro-lifer.


Geez... you're really stretching.


Obama's pastor gave some BAD AND HATEFUL sermons in the last several years. There is NOTHING that says Obama either endorsed or supported the viewpoints espoused in those sermons. In fact, Obama has said the opposite.

[saracat]

19. He kept going to that church. He gave a huge speech at that church.

and he was introduced by Wright.They tried to claim it wasn't politcal.That is why this has surfaced because the IRS is investigating. That was just last year. Barack speech was a pip too.They ran parts of it on NPR. God wants him, or specifically "the crucified Christ" wants Barack to be president.Just like Bush.

[scheming daemons]

27. ..and just like Bush.... he will BE President.... only better!

...

[saracat]

32. He will be exactly the same.

[scheming daemons]

36. EXACTLY? He'll lower taxes on the rich, get involved in a baseless war, and be inarticulate?

Wow.... he really IS the stealth candidate...

[saracat]

42. Yeah Riiiight. Barack Looves the GOP. Have repeatedly said so. Wants to be

"bipartisan" and bend over. Worked so well for Pelosi and Reid.They were suppoded to 'end the war too' yeah right. Barack will have a lot more macho to prove than Hillary would.he is already backtracing on Iraq if you pay attention, and talking tough on Iran and he doesn't support universal health care. He has already promised the health care industry and corporations a "place at the table". Guaranteed it in fact. He also hasn't a problem with vouchers. Yeah.he will be another Bush but its okay as long as you like him and want to have a beer with him.

[BadgerLaw2010]

16. Obama left the church after 9/11? That's news to...everyone.

[saracat]

20. Including Barack!

[scheming daemons]

28. Who said he left? I didn't.... I said .....

....that Wright's comments came after Obama joined the church. So it wasn't like he chose to join the Church AFTER hearing such a sermon.


I didn't leave my Roman Catholic church when the pastor said that anyone who is pro-choice is a "baby murderer".

I was disgusted... but I didn't quit my church.


Just because you disagree with a sermon doesn't mean you quit the church.

[dflprincess]

10. I've always heard Joe Kennedy was an isolationist,

which isn't necessarily the same as being a sympathizer. A lot of people, including Joe Jr., were isolationists until Pearl Harbor.

[Occam Bandage]

12. JFK didn't choose his father. Obama chose his pastor. This is a serious story.

[scheming daemons]

15. Obama chose his pastor in 1988.... Obama pastor started saying this crazy stuff after 9/11...

Like Obama said... he's like the "crazy uncle that you don't always agree with".

[BigDDem]

29. It's Hillary's fault!

She made him join; wont let him quit.

:rofl:

[saracat]

35. And yet, he stayed. And appointed him to his campaign

[scheming daemons]

37. He has no official role with the campaign...

..

[saracat]

44. Yes He does

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee
From http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_com... :

March 13, 2008

Wright's committee

Jeremiah Wright, in the news today because video of a sermon (parts of which had been reported, and disavowed, before) adds some heat to the discussion of his relationship with Obama, has generally been described as connected to Obama only informally — a religious figure with whom Obama has said he disagrees at times, a kind of cranky uncle.

But he also has a formal role on the campaign.

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee — the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.

More info on the committee from http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama120407pr.htm... :

[cali]

31. I agree. It's a serious story. I wrote a thread a couple of months

back, saying just that and got jumped on. But denying that this is a serious story won't make it go away. The thing is, I personally feel uncomfortable condemning Wright. I doubt that these comments represent the body of his oratory over the years. I'm not saying this right: I don't like some of Wright's comments but I think I understand where they come from. That doesn't make it less of a damaging story, but I dislike the line being spewed here that Wright's a racist, and I dislike the sense of white smugness I'm seeing.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. your desperately reaching and your arms are as short as McCains

[ellacott]

21. You all need to go to a few churches

The really is more common than you think

[saracat]

23. Oh, all righty then. If this were a white church preaching white Supremacy you would be cool with it

[ellacott]

26. This conversation could go much better if you would stop presuming what I'm saying

Damn!!

I don't see this church preaching Black Supremacy. There are already churches out there teaching White Supremacy. I don't care about them, they occupy none of my thoughts.

[scheming daemons]

30. If I went to a church and the pastor made a racist sermon, I would denounce it.....

...but I wouldn't quit the church.


That's exactly what Obama did.

[saracat]

33. No.He made the guy an official part of his campaign! LOL!

[scheming daemons]

38. Um.... link? He has no official role in the campaign...

...

[saracat]

43. Yeah he does African American Religious leadership Committtee

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_com...

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee
From http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_com... :

March 13, 2008

Wright's committee

Jeremiah Wright, in the news today because video of a sermon (parts of which had been reported, and disavowed, before) adds some heat to the discussion of his relationship with Obama, has generally been described as connected to Obama only informally — a religious figure with whom Obama has said he disagrees at times, a kind of cranky uncle.

But he also has a formal role on the campaign.

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee — the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.

More info on the committee from http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama120407pr.htm... :

[UALRBSofL]

22. I don't think it was JFK's dad involved with the Nazi's

Actually it was Prescott Bush from what I understand. And I think the Union Bank of NY was seized by Hoover for funneling money to the Nazi's. No one was charged though because we were so involved in WWII.

[theboss]

40. JFK's dad was more deeply involved with Meyer Lansky than the Nazis

He was essentially neutral on the Nazis.

In all seriousness, Amabassador Kennedy may have been one of the most vile men of 20th Century America.

[Dogmudgeon]

24. Stopping ridiculousness.

1. No more unsupported charges of guilt-by-association. The Rezko thing on Obama's side, and recently the (Peter F.) Paul case on the Clintons'. If anyone has played the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game, they know it's impossible to be too far from some real dirt. If anyone wants to play who-knows-whom, they'd better be able to make a better case than acquaintance. This has reached epidemic proportions on DU.

2. Clairvoyance, mind-reading, and fortune-telling are also right out. That includes "knowing" what someone thinks or what they will do, as in "Hillary is a cynic who will stop at nothing to destroy the party" and "Obama is working the crowd like a revivial-meeting preacher".

3. Unsupported accusations of ANYTHING, including various conspiracies that the Clintons are rumored to have been involved with, and the "everybody knows" stories that Barack Obama was part of the Chicago political machine.

4. Active self-policing -- for everyone. The only way that things like the Ferraro episode (and Obama's own less-frequent occasional gaffes) come up is group-think. We should all assume that we are each blind to our faults and require our friends to let us know when we overstep the bounds of reason. And those bounds are very tight for matters of race, gender, and group affiliation.

5. Let us all fight hard -- but not dirty. Also see #4.

--p!
Pigwidgeon's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon">Bacon Number -- 1. Bacon's a Philly boy and hangs out with the folk musicians when he comes to town, like I do. Yes, KB is a thoroughly excellent man, and a staunch liberal.

[scheming daemons]

39. Good post... we don't agree on much... but I agree with all of your points...

...

[housewolf]

25. Well it didn't in 1960 but it probably would today n/t

[Bullet1987]

34. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush helped to fund the Nazi War Machine

Does that make Bush a Nazi? NO!

[Traction311]

41. And Arnold's father not only funded the Nazis,

He WAS a Nazi!

[BlueManDude]

45. There was no FoxNews or Drudge report in 1960. nm

[jackson_dem]

47. Did JFK choose a pro-Nazi person as his father?

Thought so...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

48. Did Joseph Kennedy Sr. support the Nazis after the start of the war?

I seriously doubt it. His eldest son, Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. and probably his most beloved son died fighting the Germans. Joseph Kennedy Jr. flew 25 combat missions in Europe and was eligible to come home. Nonetheless, he volunteered for Operation Aphrodite in which he died on August 12, 1944. He was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross, the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Air Medal. In 1946, the Navy named a destroyer the USS Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr.

[BlackVelvet04]

49. There sure was a lot of mudslinging at bush because of his

nazi sympathizer grandfather...oh and Schwartznegger for his father.

No, transplanting Wright's views onto Obama is NOT silly. Obama supported those ideas by attending that church for 20 years and having Wright as his mentor for 20 years. I don't attend churches I don't agree with...I left a church that preached against homosexuals. I walked out of a church when I was 17 years old because the church voted not to invite the Black Baptist church to the Christmas service. Some of us LIVE our convictions and some people just talk out of the sides of their mouths.

So, you guys keep twisting and turning yourselves into pretzels trying to make Obama's support of Wright acceptable, but it doesn't wash with most people and it damn sure isn't going to wash in the general election.

I've leave you to your contortions.