Simply put...is the PASTOR-GATE fiasco going to give Hillary the Nomination?

[acrosstheuniverse]

And if not, do you really think the whole controversy will last until November? Especially after Barack gives his televised speeches at the Democratic Convention and then all over the country? The Swift boat attacks happened right after Kerry was nominated right?

[leftofcool]

1. No, it won't but it could harm Obama in the GE

[xultar]

29. Agreed. I dont think it will prevent him from getting the nom. I think he's clinched it.

It will fuck up his shit in the GE though.

[leftofcool]

40. There are lots of lies being floated out there that haven't really surfaced

I'm a Hillary supporter but I sure as hell don't want to see our own being taken down in the GE with this kind of shit

[xultar]

43. That is what the GE is all about. I think we will lose the GE with Obama or Clinton.

[leftofcool]

49. I think so too.

I still believe that Edwards was our only real chance

[xultar]

56. I think you may be right. I don't know how, what or why that happened.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

51. Isn't that pitiful? It was once ours for the taking ...

The internal power struggles, and old grudges, played out by Democratic officials, insiders, and operatives ended up making BOTH our fine candidates damaged goods.


The GOP must be absolutely delerious with glee. What was once considered impossible ... a GOP Presidential victory ... is now quite feasible!


What a bunch of FUCK-UPS!!

[Yurovsky]

57. I know the GOP is probably happy about all of this...

but there is so much utter disgust with what they've done to the country over the past 8 years that I still think Senator Obama can win in November. I NEVER thought Hillary could win (just not a likeable person w/ off-the-chart negatives), but I thought any other serious Democrat could win (Obama, Dodd, Biden, Richardson, Edwards ... even my personal favorite Dennis Kucinich - or as he's known around my house Mr. 1% ;-) ).

The key to victory is 2-fold. First, Hillary needs to cut the BS immediately. She & her husband talk about how genteel a GE would be vs. Gramps, yet we're seeing a pretty nasty display of old-style Clinton politics right now. She's hurting the front-runner, and that's a no-no.

2nd, Obama needs to find a way to make HRC happy (or happy enough that she gets the 65+ Dems out in force). I don't think VP is an option, but tell her you'll make Bill a SCOTUS justice or something. You can always claim that he failed a background check later on.

That will hopefully allow the party to focus on beating Gramps & the GOP (in house/senate race). It will also prevent the siphoning off of precious donor $$$ that is being wasted in a primary that is really over (except for the shouting).

JMHO.

[WCGreen]

60. And then we will trot out Paster Pasley....

A right wing kook who loves McCain...

[paperbag_ princess]

61. and what?

rally the conservative christian base to him?

I don't think that they are the same....I right wing kook is not as scary as a "crazy black man talking about Jesus being black and blaming 9/11 on America" ...the soft middle is going to run to McCain the veteran...

*if this takes hold....who knows...maybe it won't


edit to add: In these crazy days of crying racism...I don't believe what is said in quotes is true...I think middle America will think that way

[WCGreen]

62. They are gonna vote for him anyway...

As are the people who will be excited about the the paster...

I think that Obama disowned the guy's comments right after he became they were made...

I don't believe it will phase Obama...

And that's the important thing...

Beside that, people are a little more wary of ultra patriotism these days...

[paperbag_ princess]

63. maybe...but that is not something I am willing to take to the bank for the GE nt.

[WCGreen]

65. It's time that we start dealing with the republikkkans for what they really are..

and give them what they deserve...

Serve them back like they served us...

[underpants]

2. the what ?

No of course not.

This is pure Fox News (with some ABC News help of course)

No one cares. He isn't on Obama's staff.

[Seen the light]

3. Holy God no

1. It's impossible for Senator Clinton to win the nomination.
2. This moronic preacher's comments have been out there for months and have done absolutely nothing to Senator Obama's campaign.

[MNDemNY]

10. So, your candidate has CHOSEN for himself , as his "spiritual adviser" a moron?

That's judgment! gobama.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

14. the more Clinton spreads this poison cloud

the more it hurts her, as people begin to connect the dots

[MNDemNY]

25. Your right, the dots are being connected, however, it is/will hurt the Obama's much , much more.

[golddigger]

20. LMfao...

:rofl: :popcorn:

[MNDemNY]

30. I'd be laughing too, but it just isn't funny,

when we look at the prospect of a McCain presidency.

[NDambi]

26. Well Hill stayed with Bill after his seedy actions..moronic indeed

[MNDemNY]

34. Do we really want to bring Mrs. Obama's past into this?

[NDambi]

44. Knock yourself out...WTF do I care?

[Seen the light]

39. The whole concept of spirituality is moronic imo

They can all keep deluding themselves if they wish. However, what is really the ultimate difference between John Hagee and Jeremiah Wright? They both make their livings off of perpetuating a fake deity.

JMO.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm not going to try and defend Senator Obama for going to this church.

However, the OP was about how this might affect Senator Obama's chances for the party nomination. If the next few months are anything like the other months where we've known about Wright are any indication, then it won't affect him at all.

[Strelnikov_]

4. Thats the intent n/t

[DURHAM D]

5. No - but it will give McCain the election.

This Rev. Wright thing is ginormous.

[angie_love]

6. Yeah...it could hurt but it depends on how Obama responds. I've said before he needs to completely

disown his former pastor. Like sever ties forever and then denounce his words. This could come back to bite him, no doubt. Most of the swiftboat ads came after the convention I'm told.

[Tellurian]

9. It's biting him already, dear... Michelle is the water bearer for Wright..

[golddigger]

24. He is going hurt him so bad Obama will need depends!

[angie_love]

50. can you say that in english now?, I can't read in idiot.

[golddigger]

64. Ok, this is going to bite Obama on the ass. Now do you get it .

[amborin]

7. huffpo says Wright still works for Obama campaign

[angie_love]

8. he doesn't work there, he has an honorary post, however i'm sure that will change soon.

At least it better!

[Tellurian]

13. TOO LATE! Obama has been exposed to Wright's hate filled preaching for so long..

It's part of his anatomy!

[angie_love]

17. Yeah its so evident in his speeches of unity...

Get over yourself :eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

11. I'm KO, Randi, Stephanie & AAR will be ALL OVER THIS!

[Tellurian]

19. Don't be so sure..

KO has been in Obambi's corner for so long his ass is pointed!

[BzaDem]

41. I think ronnykmarshall's being sarcastic.

[uponit7771]

12. No, but racist who want to be racist will find a reason not to vote for BO....

...there's nothing the retired former paster of BO said that was racist.

[NYCGirl]

15. Simply put, no. NT

[Occam Bandage]

16. No. But it might be GE poison. Every hour Obama doesn't respond my confidence drops a bit.

[scheming daemons]

23. He responded when it first came up......

....he doesn't need to respond EVERY time the same thing is mentioned.....

[Occam Bandage]

31. Yeah, he does. That was Kerry's problem. You need to make sure your counter-move is

as loud or louder than the attacks leveled against you. You can't just think, "oh, well, I already said I disagreed a few months ago, that should do it."

[Cha]

33. He's already responded...don't fall for hilary's everyday

shit.

[Occam Bandage]

38. I don't fall for HRC's everyday shit. This isn't everyday shit. It's not big now,

and it won't cause him to lose much traction against Hillary, but this is a gift to the swiftboat machine, and I'd like to seem him show he can fight this off.

[Cha]

52. He will...and in the mean time there an ad contest from moveon.org

to cheer us up.

Dear MoveOn member,
Your mission, should you choose to accept it: make a 30-second TV ad that tells the nation why Barack Obama should be our next President.


If you and your friends have writing, acting, or video editing talent—whether you're a total amateur or a total pro—now is the time to use your creativity to help Obama win.

Today, we're launching an ad contest called "Obama in 30 Seconds." Anyone can make an ad about Obama between now and April 1. The public will vote on the best ads, and a panel of top artists, film professionals, and netroots heroes will pick a winner from among the finalists. (Judges include Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Naomi Wolf, Oliver Stone, John Legend, Donna Edwards, and Markos Moulitsas. The full list is below.)

We'll air the winning Obama ad nationally, and the winner will receive a gift certificate for $20,000 in video equipment. Whether you're definitely interested or need time to think about it, let us know—we'll keep you in the loop as the contest proceeds. Get contest details, sign up, and watch a short video of MoveOn's Eli Pariser describing the contest by clicking here:

Click here

Every day, political insiders and pundits tell Americans what to think about the presidential race. But now, it's YOUR turn to take the megaphone. We want to run ads that are of the people, by the people, and for the people. So consider making an ad.


If you have acting or writing talent and have a friend with video skills, join as a team! Or, pass this email to a friend who is good at making videos. This contest builds on the success of MoveOn's "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest in 2004—which resulted in thousands of videos and a great winner that aired nationally.


Obama has already inspired many supporters to produce independent videos, and you can now be part of this movement. By combining all of our creative talent with the power of online video, we can help push Obama to victory. Thanks for all you do.

–Adam G., Laura, Daniel, Peter, Ilyse, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Thursday, March 13th, 2008

P.S. Here's a direct link to our contest page:
http://www.obamain30seconds.org/?t=3&id=12303-8049715-L...
P.P.S. Here's the complete list of judges:

Academy Award-winning writer/actor/director Ben Affleck; Emmy and Golden Globe-nominated actor/director Steve Buscemi; Academy Award-winning writer/actor Matt Damon; progressive hero & future Congresswoman Donna Edwards; musician/activist Michael Franti; actor/musician/director Adrian Grenier; Academy Award-nominated producer Ted Hope; author & civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson; award-winning documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy; Grammy-winning recording artist John Legend; Stanford Law professor & founder of the Center for Internet and Society Lawrence Lessig; recording artist & Bush in 30 Seconds co-founder Moby; Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas; President of Lionsgate Entertainment Tom Ortenberg; Native American activist and documentary filmmaker Heather Rae; President of Focus Features James Schamus; producer, author, and entrepreneur Russell Simmons; author, lecturer, & experimental hip hop musician DJ Spooky; Academy Award-nominated documentary filmmaker Ricki Stern; Academy Award-winning writer/director Oliver Stone; Academy Award-nominated documentary filmmaker Annie Sundberg; Grammy & Golden Globe award-winning songwriter and musician Eddie Vedder; and New York Times best-selling author Naomi Wolf.

[rucky]

18. Probably

sadly.

I feel we just lost 40 years of progress.

[Vinca]

21. Not as long as Hillary is a member of the secret Congressional Prayer Group.

I'm not all that comforted by her schmoozing with the likes of Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum in order to unite spiritualism and public policy. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

[BeyondGeography]

22. Don't be foolish

[high density]

27. Excuse me?

For one thing I had no clue what "pastor gate" was until I went to Fox News.Com, clicked on politics, and then found the fifth headline.

“Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church,” said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. So far it's a bigger story on DU than it is on TV.

I've been watching CNN and MSNBC all day and there is not ONE mention of this issue.

It's getting more play here on DU than it is anywhere on television. Hell, they're not even talking about it on FOX News.

[leftofcool]

37. The papers were all over it though.....can the MSM be far behind?

[Drunken Irishman]

45. The papers weren't, though.

Do a search of the news, you'll see nothing mentioned:

http://news.google.com/news?as_q=&svnum=10&as_scoring=n&ned=us&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=obama&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=12&as_minm=2&as_maxd=13&as_maxm=3&as_nsrc=&as_nloc=&geo=&as_occt=any

[Cha]

48. Check this out to cheer us up! An ad contest from moveon.org

Dear MoveOn member,
Your mission, should you choose to accept it: make a 30-second TV ad that tells the nation why Barack Obama should be our next President.


If you and your friends have writing, acting, or video editing talent—whether you're a total amateur or a total pro—now is the time to use your creativity to help Obama win.

Today, we're launching an ad contest called "Obama in 30 Seconds." Anyone can make an ad about Obama between now and April 1. The public will vote on the best ads, and a panel of top artists, film professionals, and netroots heroes will pick a winner from among the finalists. (Judges include Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Naomi Wolf, Oliver Stone, John Legend, Donna Edwards, and Markos Moulitsas. The full list is below.)

We'll air the winning Obama ad nationally, and the winner will receive a gift certificate for $20,000 in video equipment. Whether you're definitely interested or need time to think about it, let us know—we'll keep you in the loop as the contest proceeds. Get contest details, sign up, and watch a short video of MoveOn's Eli Pariser describing the contest by clicking here:"

Click here

Every day, political insiders and pundits tell Americans what to think about the presidential race. But now, it's YOUR turn to take the megaphone. We want to run ads that are of the people, by the people, and for the people. So consider making an ad.


If you have acting or writing talent and have a friend with video skills, join as a team! Or, pass this email to a friend who is good at making videos. This contest builds on the success of MoveOn's "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest in 2004—which resulted in thousands of videos and a great winner that aired nationally.


Obama has already inspired many supporters to produce independent videos, and you can now be part of this movement. By combining all of our creative talent with the power of online video, we can help push Obama to victory. Thanks for all you do.

–Adam G., Laura, Daniel, Peter, Ilyse, and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Thursday, March 13th, 2008

P.S. Here's a direct link to our contest page:
http://www.obamain30seconds.org/?t=3&id=12303-8049715-LbZfR6
P.P.S. Here's the complete list of judges:

Academy Award-winning writer/actor/director Ben Affleck; Emmy and Golden Globe-nominated actor/director Steve Buscemi; Academy Award-winning writer/actor Matt Damon; progressive hero & future Congresswoman Donna Edwards; musician/activist Michael Franti; actor/musician/director Adrian Grenier; Academy Award-nominated producer Ted Hope; author & civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson; award-winning documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy; Grammy-winning recording artist John Legend; Stanford Law professor & founder of the Center for Internet and Society Lawrence Lessig; recording artist & Bush in 30 Seconds co-founder Moby; Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas; President of Lionsgate Entertainment Tom Ortenberg; Native American activist and documentary filmmaker Heather Rae; President of Focus Features James Schamus; producer, author, and entrepreneur Russell Simmons; author, lecturer, & experimental hip hop musician DJ Spooky; Academy Award-nominated documentary filmmaker Ricki Stern; Academy Award-winning writer/director Oliver Stone; Academy Award-nominated documentary filmmaker Annie Sundberg; Grammy & Golden Globe award-winning songwriter and musician Eddie Vedder; and New York Times best-selling author Naomi Wolf.

[anigbrowl]

28. Nope

And it's not going to be that big an issue in the GE, because McCain's spiritual adviser, Rod Parsley, not only has a silly name but is a complete nutjob. He's a full-on dominionist who believes it's our destiny to destroy Islam. Apparently he also thinks Christopher Columbus set sail for America so he could find a way to defeat Islam.



http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/mccain-spiritual-adviser-allah-was-a-demon-spirit/

They guy is a looney tune that makes Huckabee look like a good empiricist.

[izzybeans]

35. You mean can old news dug up by Freepers will harm him?

This shit has been dealt with. And it will be dismissed as rubbish, like it was the first time it came up.

"Look daddy, all the white people are scared of the angry black man again."

"No son, they are just playing dirty politics. they are pretending to be scared for political gain".

[YOY]

36. "Pastor-gate"?

Jesus Christ...put a fork in it allready...

[TwilightGardener]

42. No. I really have a hard time seeing how this matters. I thought

Ferraro's "affirmative-action" comments were actually more damaging to Obama, because many apparently thought it was a true statement, and now feel free to say so themselves. I expect, in my naivete as a white, that many black churches have preachers like this Wright guy--to me, black churches not just for Bible worship, but also a place for the black community to safely vent about racial/social injustice. Same as white evangelical churches are places for the Christian Right community to safely vent about the degradation of society Christian/American values, etc. Level-headed people see it for what it is.

[aquarius dawning]

46. No, the super delegates are.

[canuk1]

47. WHY ARE YOU DESTROYING YOURSELVES

Maybe its because I am not an american, but I don't get why your party is destroying themselves. This crap was obviously dropped by the Clintons last night. They don't want this issue to die. Make Obama the crazy black man who is going to steal all the white women. If the Dem leadership had any courage they would stop this, but they are a bunch of cowards. This information was out there for a long time. The media had ignored or thought it wasn't important until now. Until the Clinton campaign started calling reporters about it last night.

John McCain will be president.

[aquarius dawning]

54. Because we're loco. Don't you know we're loco ?

[MethuenProgressive]

53. No. But it might give McCain the Presidency.

A leading Democratic Party elder once said an Obama candidacy would be a roll of the dice.
Craps.

[AX10]

66. True.

[Gore1FL]

55. Not unless an exhobitant amount of super delegates are stupid

[Window]

58. Nope. This, too, shall pass.

[Unsane]

59. Yes, unless Obama inoculates himself now (which he isn't doing)

Obama's been pretty tone deaf on some of this stuff. What is he waiting for? Just like he should have immediately denounced and rejected any and all support from Louis Farrakhan, he needs to reject this bum unequivocally. There is no upside in waffling on this issue. My patience is wearing thin.